
PM vs PMM
Join us in demystifying modern product roles and dynamics. On PM vs. PMM, we share our experiences in the roles - exploring their differences, teamwork, and conflicts. Discover how your product team can create great products, and never forget to be user first! We also look into current events in the tech world and share our opinions! Keeping it real, light and fun.
Latest episodes

Jun 6, 2024 • 29min
The Buyer/User Dichotomy: Navigating B2B Product Development
Hey listeners, it's Aditi and Arjun! In this episode, we dive into the crucial topic of understanding and balancing buyer vs. user personas in product management. We discuss strategies for building the right products for the right users, especially in the B2B world. Learn how to effectively target and communicate with both buyers and users at different stages of the sales funnel. Whether you're a seasoned product manager or new to the field, this episode offers valuable insights into optimizing your approach and ensuring your product's success. Tune in and elevate your product management game with us!

May 22, 2024 • 29min
The Role of Curiosity in Fostering Continuous Learning
Join us in this episode of PM vs PMM as they dive into the importance of curiosity in product management and marketing. Discover how staying curious drives innovation, fosters better decision-making, and enhances professional growth. We share personal strategies for maintaining a curious mindset, even in high-pressure environments. We also discuss Joe Biden's AI executive order, exploring its implications for transparency and regulation in the AI space. Plus, they chat about the noticeable effects of global warming in their hometowns. Tune in for an engaging conversation on continuous learning and staying ahead in the ever-evolving tech industry. Stay curious and keep learning!

May 8, 2024 • 32min
Strategies for Cohesive Vision Across Product Teams
Discover how to blend individual creativity with team goals while navigating the complexities of aligning marketing and product management. Explore the challenges posed by tech monopolies and the impact of Apple's in-app purchase policies on app developers. Hear engaging anecdotes about winter frustrations, along with insights into balancing innovation within constraints. Enjoy a light-hearted discussion on binge-watching popular shows, tying back to key principles of product management. This mix of professional and personal storytelling offers invaluable perspectives!

May 1, 2024 • 25min
Managing Risk with Reverse Funnel Analysis
Join us in our lively first live recording of the PM versus PMM podcast! This episode dives into the world of product management, focusing on reducing risks through reverse funnel analysis and setting effective KPIs. Don't miss their take on the latest tech trends, including a spirited discussion on Apple's new Vision Pro. Tune in for a blend of expert insights and engaging banter that's sure to enlighten and entertain!

Apr 24, 2024 • 22min
Targeting High-Need Customers for Product Success
Dive into the dynamic world of product management with us in this engaging episode of the PM vs PMM podcast! This week, we unpack the essentials of building products that genuinely meet urgent user needs. We delve into identifying "hair on fire" problems, explore effective marketing channels, and share personal weekend adventures. Plus, we discuss Samsung's latest venture into health tech with the Galaxy Ring. Whether you're a product newbie or a seasoned pro, this episode offers valuable insights and lively banter to enrich your product management journey. Tune in to learn, laugh, and discover how to connect deeply with your customers!

Apr 17, 2024 • 35min
From UX Designer to PM: The Journey of Building User-Centric Products with Wayne Sang
Dive into an engaging discussion on the intersections of product management and product marketing in this episode of the PM versus PMM podcast. Join hosts us as we welcome Wayne Sang, a former design lead turned content creator, who shares his unique journey through design and product management. Wayne opens up about the challenges and triumphs of navigating user-centric design, the complexities of shifting roles, and his strategies for continuous learning. From user research to balancing business needs, Wayne's insights provide a compelling look at the constant push and pull of building great products. Whether you're a product manager, a designer, or just passionate about product development, this episode is packed with thoughtful discussions and practical advice. Tune in to explore how continuous learning and strategic thinking can shape your career and improve your work.

Mar 27, 2024 • 29min
Being Transparent with Public Roadmaps
Dive into a delightful blend of wit, wisdom, and warmth with us in this episode of the PM vs PMM podcast. As the fall leaves turn to winter snow, we cozy up to discuss the art of transparent product roadmapping and its pivotal role in building trust, fostering community, and steering products in the right direction. From the chilly streets of New York and Toronto to the cutting-edge contours of Tesla's Cybertruck, we navigate the complexities of product management and marketing with ease and humor. Whether you're a product maven or a marketing guru, join us for insightful banter, thoughtful discussions, and a few laughs along the way. It's an episode that promises to warm your heart, spark your curiosity, and maybe even inspire your next big idea.

Mar 13, 2024 • 25min
How Modern Product Tools Help in Anticipating Product Risks
Dive into a whirlwind of insights with us in this episode of the PM vs PMM podcast! As the chilly winds of Toronto bring about early sunsets and reflections on daylight savings, we warm up with a hot cup of discussion on the essential tools that make a product person great. From dissecting the impact of analytics with Google Analytics and Woopra to navigating the collaborative waves of Slack and Notion, we unpack how to reduce risks and align teams effectively. But that's not all – the episode takes an unexpected turn into the recent drama at OpenAI, drawing parallels with tech history's most notable leadership upheavals. Will history repeat itself, or is this the dawn of a new era in AI? Plus, don't miss their personal detour into the horror genre, where Arjun's nightmarish experience with 'The Descent' offers a lighter, albeit terrifying, conclusion to their deep dive. Tune in for a blend of professional wisdom, industry gossip, and a splash of horror movie critique – all in a day's work on PM vs PMM.

Mar 6, 2024 • 29min
Part 2: Crafting Solutions with the Second Diamond
Dive into a delightful exploration of product management and marketing with us in this episode of the PM vs PMM podcast! From the magical world of manifesting success to the nitty-gritty of the Double Diamond design framework, we take you on a journey through the art and science of building the right thing for the right users.Whether you're curious about crafting solutions that resonate with users or intrigued by the future of social media, this episode is packed with insights, laughter, and a pinch of snowman magic. Tune in to unlock the secrets of product innovation and aligning with your audience—no snow boots required!

Feb 21, 2024 • 28min
Part 1: Unraveling User Needs with the First Diamond
In this lively episode of the PM vs PMM podcast, we take you on a deep dive into the heart of product management and marketing, starting with the vibrant energy of New York tech mixers and wrapping up with personal revelations and new hobbies. We unpack the intricacies of the Double Diamond Design Process, emphasizing the first diamond's role in fostering empathy and understanding of user needs. We then share our experiences and insights on navigating the complex landscape of problem identification and the iterative journey towards building impactful products.Arjun enthuses about the innovative ArcSearch app from the browser company, sparking a discussion on the future of web navigation and the transformative power of generative AI. Meanwhile, Aditi opens up about her newfound love for painting, revealing the therapeutic benefits of engaging in creative endeavors.Whether we're debating the merits of empathy in product design, exploring the frontiers of AI in web search, or sharing personal growth stories, our dynamic exchange is a testament to the multifaceted nature of being great product people. Tune in to join us on this exploratory journey through the challenges and triumphs of building the right thing for the right users.