
Metamodern Meaning
Brendan Graham Dempsey interviews leading thinkers in the metamodernism, integral, syntheist, GameB, and other communities about topics related to meaning-making and spirituality in today's world.
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Latest episodes

Feb 5, 2025 • 1h 60min
75. Realizing the Biosphere | 4. Natural Drives, Directions, and Perspectives (w/ Layman Pascal)
Layman joins me for further jamming on the human/biosphere relationship. We explore the idea of entropy reduction (negentropy) as a natural trajectory and its relationship to the evolution of consciousness. Folding in Nietzsche, we consider the "will to power" in terms of a natural drive related to such processes before turning to the "mereological question": Is humanity (the noosphere) part of the biosphere or is the biosphere part of the noosphere? This leads to further considerations of the unique human contribution to biospheric dynamics, and the question of anthropocentrism in how we frame such relationships. 0:00 Introduction1:28 Nature and Negentropy14:44 Towards a Qualitative Typology of Negentropic Systems25:00 A Natural Direction: The Role of Consciousness and Care35:41 Decentration and Ecologization 41:16 Negentropy and the Will to Power57:35 Mereology and Mutual Transformation 1:11:29 Art and Nature1:21:16 An Appetition for Noospheric Mapping1:39:44 Anthropocentrism and the Human Perspective1:57:43 Conclusion To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Jan 31, 2025 • 1h 39min
74. The Meaning Paradigm, and "Autopoiethics" (w/ Anna Riedl)
Cognitive scientist Anna Riedl helps me get a sense of the emerging paradigm in cogsci and beyond dedicated to understanding how we make meaning in an uncertain and entropic world. After that, we tackle ideas Anna is working on informed by her experience with and critique of effective altruism: a framework she provisionally calls "autopoiethics," which relates to the normative decision-making processes of autopoetic systems.0:00 IntroductionI. State of the Art in Meaning Studies1:22 Meaning, Relevance, and Rationality 11:28 Synthesizing Abstract and Particular 21:56 Metarationality and the Transjective Frame30:03 A New Paradigm?40:41 Related Fields and ThinkersII. Autopoethics52:11 Normativity and Collective Welfare57:06 Autopoietic Normativity vs. Effective Altruism1:15:05 Perspectival Values1:26:50 Function vs. Process1:31:44 Conclusion To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Jan 30, 2025 • 1h 4min
73. Polymodern Economics: Lene Rachel Andersen
Lene Rachel Andersen, a Danish philosopher and author of 'The Nordic Secret', teams up with Jason Ananda Josephs, co-founder of the Metamodern Theory and Praxis Journal. They dive into the groundbreaking concept of polymodern economics, challenging traditional economic metrics like GDP. The discussion highlights the evolution of societies, the need for sustainable economic models, and the significance of local economies. With a focus on emotional health and social equity, they envision a future where diverse economic systems thrive harmoniously.

Jan 24, 2025 • 1h 48min
72. Live with Tim Freke
On Saturday, January 18, Sky Meadow Institute hosted a virtual meet-up and open Q&A with Tim Freke, author of Soul Story and a leading thinker in the emergent spirituality space. For more upcoming events, check out skymeadowinstitute.org To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Jan 19, 2025 • 1h 29min
71. Realizing the Biosphere | 3. Thinking 'Nature' (w/ Layman Pascal)
This conversation features Layman Pascal, a leading thinker in the metamodernism and integral communities. He delves into the intricate distinctions among terms like 'nature,' 'natural,' and 'natural order.' Layman explores how cultural perceptions shape our understanding of the biosphere and emphasizes the need for a balanced relationship between civilization and wilderness. He also discusses the impact of natural aesthetics on mental well-being and advocates for a more nuanced understanding of ecological contexts in relation to individual and collective responsibility.

Jan 12, 2025 • 1h 46min
70. Realizing the Biosphere | 2. Collective Earth: Towards a Gaian Sociology (w/ Layman Pascal)
I continue my discussion with Layman Pascal about the role of the human in/as/and for the biosphere. After an elegant summary and recap of the topic so far, Layman offers thoughts on specific roles and projects that might be undetaken through collective action to traverse along the negentropic course of the "ecodrome." We chat economics, ideology, ethics, and religion, and also tackle the question of biosphereic consciousness. 0:00 Introduction2:03 Layman's Recap: Sacred Naturalism and the "Ecodrome"18:26 Gaian Demography I: Eco-Heirophants23:30 Civics: Green Mobilization Efforts25:52 Economics: Negentropy as Currency35:03 Ideology: A Post-Neoliberal Spirit of Eco-Cultus43:59 Lower- to Mid-Scale Enaction47:49 The Ethics of Biosphere Extension and Reproduction1:03:53 Gaian Demography II: Roles and Tribes1:21:42 Waking Gaia1:34:44 Religion: A Planetary Devotion1:40:20 Looking Ahead To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Jan 7, 2025 • 1h 25min
69. Realizing the Biosphere | 1. Spirituality for the Anthropocene (w/ Layman Pascal)
In the first of a series of discussions, Layman Pascal offers his thoughts on the role of humanity in the biosphere. What new ways are there for appreciating our place on/as the planet and in/as the cosmos? Here we focus primarily on the role of the individual in biospheric processes. How do religion-like activities and sensibilities serve ecological viability and flourishing? How can this vision unite various approaches to value and knowledge in the 21st century? Timeline:0:00 Introduction 3:16 The Role of the Human in, for, and as the Biosphere 7:48 A Biophilic Universe 14:51 A Comprehensive Story for Our Time 23:30 Nurturing Nature 27:28 Minds and Societies as Systems of Gaia 38:42 Contingency and Teleology, Problems and Progress 44:22 Religionizing Eco-Consciousness: Promise and Pathology 1:04:09 Psychotechnologies and the Biosphere 1:14:08 The Center of the Mandala 1:20:38 Moving out of Flatland To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Jan 6, 2025 • 54min
68. A Metamodern Paradigm for Islamic Studies Scholarship: Jared Morningstar
Following the publication of the first issue of Metamodern Theory & Praxis, a new, anti-disciplinary journal dedicated to movements in metamodern thought, we will be inviting the various contributors for some discussion about their work.Here, Jared Morningstar joins us to talk about his piece A Metamodern Paradigm for Islamic Studies Scholarship: Evaluating and Extending Shahab Ahmed's Theorization of Islam and the Islamic.You can read this and the other works in issue 1 here: https://sts.williams.edu/metamodern/v1i1/. To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Jan 3, 2025 • 2h 14min
67. Critiquing Metamodernism (w/ James Cussen)
James Cussen of @TheLivingPhilosophy joins me to discuss his probing 6-part critique of what "metamodernism" really is. We go deep into the strands of metamodern theory and discourse to debate the relative merits and demerits of various approaches to the topic. Along the way, we both explore various ways to clarify and nuance topics and ideas core to various metamodern projects.0:00 Introduction (and Name Change)3:29 Pulling the Thread8:23 Trend, Period, Episteme, Logic?26:35 The Problems of Stage Theories56:37 Who's Afraid of 'Postmodernism'?1:14:37 What the Hell is 'Modernity'?1:36:24 Culture and Complexity1:59:25 Telling the Story of our Stories You can read James's critique here: https://www.thelivingphilosophy.com/p/metamodernism-critique-introduction To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com

Dec 21, 2024 • 1h 9min
66. Deconstruction/Reconstruction Theology (w/ Jim Palmer)
Jim Palmer joins me to talk about his work in "deconstructionology." After sharing a bit of his story, which includes movement from mega-church pastor to questioning Christian seeker to deconstructioning writer, Jim talks to me a bit about his ideas of engaging religion generally and Christianity specifically beyond superficial either/or thinking.How do we move past simple binaries of theism/atheism, for example, or different kinds of ideology? What container is expansive enough to hold religious questioning without simply leading to a) a lateral move or b) unmoored relativism?Timestamps:What might a God on the other side of deconstruction look like? 0:00Introduction 1:36Jim's Story 14:04Deconstruction Therapeutics 23:44Metamodernism and Reconstruction 30:56Towards Existential Health 36:29Between Binaries 52:41A Truly Human Jesus, and a Truly Divine Humanity 1:01:09Liberating Knowledge 1:05:38A God on the Other Side of Deconstruction Jim's Substack can be found here: https://jimpalmerauthor.substack.com/ To hear more, visit brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com