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Christopher Lochhead
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Mar 29, 2021 • 1h 19min
211 How A Grandfather Survived The Holocaust, And A Grandson Became An Entrepreneur with Daniel Gefen
In Hebrew, the name “Mosha” means “Salvation”. That was the name of a 13-year-old boy who was forced into a Nazi concentration camp, and spent the next five years in 18 more. Yet somehow, he lived.
In this episode of Follow Your Different, Daniel Gefen shares a real, raw dialogue about his grandfather Mosha, and how he has influenced Daniel’s life and his drive to become a podcasting entrepreneur.
You’ll also hear about how Daniel embraces faith, family, and philosophy to guide his life, and how he turns frustration into fascination.
Mosha, the Survivor
Daniel shares the story of his grandfather, Mosha. Mosha was a survivor of the Nazi concentration camps. He was shot, buried alive, and hanged twice, yet he somehow managed to live on.
After the war, Mosha fled to Switzerland. He had no money, no connections, and couldn’t even speak the language. While all he had was himself, he made full use of his talents. He built a farm by himself, and continued to build himself up until he had his own hotel business.
Yet even as a multimillionaire hotel owner, Mosha had always strived to live a simpler life. All his focus was on how he could help others be happy.
“The reason he opened the hotel wasn't to make money. The reason he opened the hotel was because he wanted to serve people. That's how he lived his life. He lived in a very small little apartment above the hotel his whole life, didn't drive a car, and gave away pretty much almost all of his money to charities.” - Daniel Gefen
Giving Voice to Others through Podcasting
Daniel talks about how the more recent generations have become too focused on themselves. While it’s not a bad thing to have some self-love, being too wrapped up with oneself can narrow one’s view.
Sometimes, focusing outwardly and living for something or someone else can give you a higher purpose. For Daniel, it was giving voice to those who have long yearned to share their stories through his podcasts.
“I kind of feel like my career is all about giving people exposure right through podcasting. My whole career is all about giving people the opportunity to promote and share their stories and get themselves out there on the biggest podcast. Ironically, I feel like I'm doing something that my grandfather couldn't do.” - Daniel Gefen
Don’t Lock Yourself in a Should Prison
Daniel describes how his grandfather’s past trauma has also affected future generations of the family. One of the affected parties is his father and Daniel's relationship with him growing up.
Yet he doesn’t blame his grandfather nor his father for it. Instead of letting things stay as it is, Daniel strived to reach out and build a strong connection with his father.
Rather than focusing on what other people should do, Daniel decided to focus on what he could do for them. He also learned to choose what’s best given the situation, rather than hoping for that perfect ending.
“I have a mentor, a rabbi, who many times has said to me, “You know, do you want to be right? Or do you want to be happy? You can't always have both. Sometimes you can. But a lot of times, you cannot have both. So what do you want? You get to choose.” ” - Daniel Gefen
To hear more from Daniel Gefen and on how his grandfather inspired him to be an entrepreneur, download and listen to this episode.
Bio:
Daniel Gefen is a serial entrepreneur and founder of Gefen Media Group - a podcast production and booking agency helping clients build a loyal following through the power of podcasting. He is also the host of the top-rated podcast show called 'Can I Pick Your Brain?' which has exceeded over 150,000 downloads and was named top 26 podcasts to listen to by CIO Magazine. He has interviewed over 100 thought leaders, Billionaires and celebrities.
In 2017, he was named one of the top 25 most influential influencers and has been featured in dozens of media publications including Forbes Inc, CIO, Influencive, Success Radio and over 70 leading podcasts.

Mar 22, 2021 • 1h 10min
210 How To Build a Business That Makes Money And A Difference with Gero Leson of Dr. Bronner’s
Most leaders want to build a legendary business and be socially and environmentally responsible at the same time. Sadly, many get caught in a false dilemma between doing good in business and doing good in the world. In spite of that, there are companies that strive to do both and continue to prosper to this day.
In this episode of Follow Your Different, Dr. Gero Leson shares how Dr. Bronner’s has become the pioneer in the global movement to establish socially just and environmentally responsible supply chains. So if you care about building a long term, successful business that dominates its niche and makes a giant difference in the world, you're going to love everything about this conversation.
Having an Impact on the World
If you’re looking for a company that has an impact on the world, look no further than Dr. Bronner’s. They have spent 70 years showing everyone that you don’t have to choose just one to maintain good growth. They back up this claim by ranking as the second highest scoring B Corp in the world.
Dr. Gero Leson attributes this success to having an authentic brand and being consistent about it all these years. He believes that the causes they address speak to the general public, particularly to people who advocate saving the planet.
“There are many other things. Of course, it's the quality of our product, no doubt. But I think it's also the messaging and then the action (we take). It's what we do to have an impact beyond just making soap. I think that package speaks to people, and we have a fantastic team that's all driven by the same vision.” – Dr. Gero Leson
Standing the Test of Time
Dr. Gero shares his thoughts on how Dr. Bronner’s is still relevant after all these years. Despite having new ideas and products launched, they have stayed true to their desire to have more natural and sustainable products and ingredients in the market.
As for their sustained growth, Dr. Gero explains that they don’t focus on it. He knows it sounds like a cliché, but that mindset helped them explore new ideas that others would find risky.
“This is not about cashing out, getting a few millions in the bank and then retire and just sit on the board of philanthropic organizations. The Bronners’ and most of our executive team just love being able to make decisions and bring about change, and that drives me alive. This is the biggest fun ever. I could retire, but that would be so boring. It's just so much fun to use your business to bring about change, honestly.” – Dr. Gero Leson
Precision and Creativity
Nowadays, it is normal to have your Executive offices and your production line separate. Yet for the longest time, Dr. Bronner’s has kept it all in one place. This leads to a unique contrast of seeing everything work with exact precision, but in an environment driven by everyone’s creativity and individuality.
“It is really fun to watch normal people respond to this. I sometimes bring in the chiefs of our projects and they're very normal people. They come there and they say, “Huh, there's a very interesting, great atmosphere here”. Its a very unique contrast of normality, efficiency, planning and at the same time, you have wildness and independence driving.” – Dr. Gero Leson
To hear more from Dr. Gero Leson and his thoughts on building a business that thrives while making a difference, download and listen to this episode.
Bio:
DR. GERO LESON is Vice President of Special Operations at Dr. Bronner’s, the top-selling brand of natural soaps in North America.
After joining the company in 2005, he helped it transition to sourcing all its major ingredients directly from certified fair trade and organic projects.
Under his leadership, Dr. Bronner’s has become a pioneer in the global movement to establish socially just and environmentally responsible supply chains.
Leson speaks regularly on business, sustainability, fair trade, and regenerative agriculture. He lives in Berkeley, California.
Links
Website: DrBronner.com

Mar 15, 2021 • 1h 33min
209 How To Live A Creative Life w/ Nasri: Grammy-Award Winning Artist, Producer, and Collaborator with John Legend, Robin Thicke, Shakira & more
Most people would like to be more creative, and some would like to make a living with their creativity. Though without legendary role models, particularly those who are willing to get real and go deep about their experience, it's hard to learn what it really takes. In today's dialogue with Nasri, you're going to learn about it and a lot more.
In this episode of Follow Your Different, it is all about Nasri. His music has been streamed over 4 billion times to date. He's a Grammy Award winning songwriter, producer, and singer who's worked with literally the biggest names in music today. Nasri has won a Grammy Award for his works, including Best Latin Pop Album for his work with Shakira on her record Eldorado in 2017, and Best R&B album for his work on Chris Brown's F.A.M.E. record.
His band Magic! released three successful chart-topping albums with RCA Records, and he's probably best known for their international smash hit “Rude”. He also just released a brand-new EP, a solo EP called “Here for You” to much critical acclaim.
This is also Nasri’s first podcast experience, so join him and Christopher as they discuss Grammys, working with great musicians, and how to live a creative life.
On Nasri Winning the Grammys
Christopher starts off with the big one, and asks what it was like winning the Grammys. Nasri shares his thoughts on collaborating with a lot of talented artists and producers in the industry, and the experience of creating Grammy Award-winning songs.
He also adds that nowadays, producing music is different than before. It’s normal to see five or more people being credited in one song, and that’s okay. All of it is necessary to create great music. Though it is understandable why some might be confused when they see multiple names in the credits.
“Now when you make music, everybody has a little piece of everything. It's kind of confusing when you see four or five names on a credit, or even seven or eight, nine names on a credit of a song. It's confusing to the audience to like “Seven people wrote this song?” No, seven people didn't write the song. Two or three people wrote the song, and then it goes through a process of like, “hey, let's team up with this sound designer”, and they also want a piece of the publishing.” - Nasri
On Creatives Self-Producing
Christopher brings up his experience on publications, and on why he chose to self-publish later on. Nasri agrees with the sentiment, and points out that it’s not a bad idea to work with a company first before trying to publish or produce on your own. At the very least, you’ll get some much-needed experience from them first and commit less mistakes when you are on our own afterwards.
“I think the beginning stages, if you look at why you may need a publisher, it has made me learn a couple things, you know. To see kind of what the scope of marketing for this medium is, and that's what I went through. In the band Magic!, we were signed to RCA Records, and I was like, “Okay, cool.” When I went now to make my solo project, I felt like I had a pretty good grip of how to market something.” - Nasri
He’s also glad that he got into self-production. He talks about how he’s not on other people’s clock but his own, and he take his time and perfect his craft.
“I'm in no rush. I own the master. I have nobody telling me in some sort of meeting that is not moving fast enough. That's (part of) what I didn't like.” - Nasri
Nasri’s New EP
Speaking of producing something, Nasri recently released his new EP, “Here For You”. Nasri talks about how it came to be, and how much fun it was to create. He also got into the finer details and how happy he is with its reception.
“So all of a sudden, this whole thing just came together through us just being passionate about it. And some of the stories that in all the years of him making music, this is one of the first times that his wife has actually listened to the music on repeat, you know? Because generally,

Mar 8, 2021 • 1h 33min
208 The Power of Ethics with Bestselling Author Dr. Susan Liautaud
Nowadays, people live at a time when discerning what’s right and wrong is getting more complex. As your choices can have profound, long term implications, it’s best to know where your moral compass lies.
In this episode of Follow Your Different, Dr. Susan Liautaud talks about Ethics and why it is more than just common sense. She explains why it matters more today, and how to apply an Ethics lens to critical areas of society. This is a fascinating conversation that will matter to anyone who cares about making the world a different place.
Dr. Susan Liautaud is the author of the new bestseller, The Power of Ethics: How to Make Good Choices in a Complicated World. She is an Ethics Advisor to major corporations and institutions, and also teaches Ethics at Stanford. She serves as Chair of the London School of Economics and Political Science Council.
Why Ethics is Not Common Sense
It used to be that people grew up on stories that gave examples of what’s right and wrong. Everything seemed black and white, and the lines in the sand were clear. In today’s world, where information is but a touch of a screen away, these lines have seemingly been blurred.
Dr. Susan Liautaud uses media platforms like Facebook or Twitter as examples for this. On one hand, it serves as a tool to connect people together and have lively conversations. On the other hand, there are some that use it to bully people and spread misinformation.
“In today's world, you know, good and bad are all mixed. We are in this gray zone and things that can be used for the good like social media. Yet they can also be used for harm, like bullying on social media or spread of disinformation. So I think largely because the world has just gotten so complicated and technology and all the forces driving it aren't really common sense for a lot of people.” - Dr. Susan Liautaud
The World is Changing so Fast
Christopher shares that for him, changing your opinion on something is not a bad thing. It means that you are open to new ideas and correcting your own.
“If you haven't changed your mind lately, how do you know you have one?” - Christopher Lochhead
Dr. Susan agrees with this sentiment, and describes that Ethics can be the same way. The things we find ethical or otherwise can be flipped due to recent events or newly-available information. For her, it’s better to be in-the-know rather than to always stick with the old ways.
“I think one of the things about ethics that's different today is that the world is changing so fast. The complexity I referred to earlier is evolving so quickly that we need to be monitoring, instead of holding our nose and leaping into a decision and being sure that we're absolutely right. So I don't call it flip flopping. I call it staying grounded in reality.” - Dr. Susan Liautaud
Finding Non-Binary Solutions
As more people get access to information and the lines between black and white get even more blurred, people’s definition of Ethics changes even further. For Dr. Susan, this is not a bad thing. Her main concern lies with people still looking for binary solutions to solve ethical problems.
Dr. Susan explains how people can get stuck behind a yes or no mindset for different situations, which limits their thinking to binary solutions. She elaborates further by using Christopher’s foil board example:
“What I would say is, can't we find a solution that is non-binary, other than you can't foil board on a public beach. Maybe you can foil board at certain times of day, in a place where there are only foil boarders who are willing to put themselves at that risk. We get ourselves into this Yes, No, black, white, one side of the wall or the other binary thinking, and we never get to seizing opportunity and mitigating risk.” - Dr. Susan Liautaud
To know more about Dr. Susan Liautaud and how Ethics is not common sense in some companies, download and listen to this episode.
Bio
Dr. Susan Liautaud teaches cutting-edge ethics at Stanford University and se...

Feb 22, 2021 • 1h 12min
206 Wild Rituals: Dr. Caitlin O’Connell of Harvard on Lessons Animals Teach Us About Connection, Community, and Ourselves
In today’s episode of Follow Your Different, we are joined by Behavioral Ecologist and world-renowned Elephant Scientist, Dr. Caitlin O'Connell. She spent more than 30 years studying animals in their natural habitats. Dr. Caitlin has also taught at places like Stanford and Harvard.
She’s got a brand-new book out called Wild Rituals, where she explores 10 lessons animals can teach us about connection, community, and our own humanity. Her book comes out at a time in history when the human race is dealing with some pretty deep existential questions. Dr. O'Connell is here to help us deepen our understanding of ourselves by teaching us all about these legendary animals.
Taking Social Rituals for Granted
As the pandemic continues to keep everyone socially distant, people have started noticing social rituals and activities that we used to take for granted. Dr. Caitlin talks about the rituals in wild animal societies and how intense each social interaction was, even for something as simple as a greeting.
She further explains that in our current isolation, people have realized the importance of these rituals in our lives, no matter how basic it may have seemed.
“The reason I was inspired to write about rituals in wild animal societies was really just to remind us of how important ritual is in our own lives, and how similar our rituals are to other animals.” - Dr. Caitlin O’Connell
Different, But the Same
Dr. Caitlin discusses how we as a species have evolved, and how tools like language have accelerated our growth. Yet it is important to remember that everyone came from the same humble beginnings, but took different paths.
She reminds everyone we all evolved this need for ritual for the same purpose, despite the differences we display them.
“It's easy for people to do that because we are the only species that evolved language. Then by that language, suddenly we just accelerated away from the branch on our evolutionary tree. But the thing to remember is that we all came from the same humble beginnings, whether or not we moved in another direction." - Dr. Caitlin O’Connell
The Importance of Rituals
Dr. Caitlin and Christopher dive into the importance of social rituals, and why we cling to them almost instinctively. Dr. Caitlin shares that inclusion in such rituals makes us feel comfortable and connected.
“Well, rituals are very calming, they're very soothing, they comfort us and, and make us feel connected. They, especially group rituals, when you're doing something as a group, let's say in a marching band or synchronized swimming, or singing with your friends to cheer your team on. They make you feel included and more bonded to the people that you're with." - Dr. Caitlin O’Connell
She also explains that as the population grew and society became more diverse, some social rituals have evolved to help identify each other from different groups. Yet as all of these group rituals help people feel bonded to the group, rituals can also lead down a dark path.
To know more about Dr. Caitlin O’Connell, as well as the dark path and how we can avoid it as social animals, download and listen to this episode.
Bio:
Dr. Caitlin O’Connell has been called a modern renaissance creative.
She is currently on the faculty at the Eaton Peabody Lab at Harvard Medical School studying elephant low-frequency hearing while also overseeing a non-profit foundation, (Utopia Scientific) promoting the importance of science and conservation.
Dr. Caitlin is an award-winning author and photographer and has been studying elephants in the wild for the last thirty years, having written dozens of scientific papers and numerous feature magazine articles and two memoirs about her experiences.
She taught creative science writing for Stanford and The New York Times and co-developed the award-winning Smithsonian documentary, Elephant King.
Dr. Caitlin is currently developing a new elephant docu-drama, Elephant Crown,

Feb 15, 2021 • 49min
205 Legendary Author Dushka Zapata
In today’s episode of Follow Your Different, we are joined yet again by the breathtaking Dushka Zapata. Dushka is one of our regular guests in the podcast and one of the most important and prolific writers this world has to offer. The world truly needs more of Dushka.
Additionally, in an act of radical generosity, Dushka has decided to make all e-versions of her published books available on Amazon, for free, starting March 17, 2021. Everything she has published will be available in ebook form for free within a 24-hour period. We highly recommend going and check out the link and read her astounding books.
The Prioritization of Well-Being
The pandemic has changed everyone’s relationship landscape, and the glue that has held those relationships has modified its fundamental composition. Dushka discusses that the difficulty in prioritizing one’s well-being is due to the fact that oftentimes it is impossible to tell what exactly is the best for one’s well-being.
She shares that the only way to find the answer is to spend time alone, compassionately and gently, giving thought to what is genuinely best for oneself.
“We are all like boats and we all carry other people who take care of the maintenance of the boat. If the boat sinks, you are useless to others. So what is it that you need to do for the boat, which is you? You need to be functional for others.
The most responsible thing that we can do is to think about the best ways we can take care of ourselves.” - Dushka Zapata
The Pursuit of Happiness
Dushka discusses that her definition for the pursuit of happiness is less about being happy and more about the feeling of whether her actions have a sense of purpose. Most people are trapped in a constant state of sabotaging their own happiness because they feel like it’s too much. When in reality, there is no logical limit to how happy one can become.
She encourages people to never believe in mediocrity, low-grade despair, and to devise small steps to interests that bring one closer to happiness.
“There isn't a higher being monitoring your amount of happiness. I think that if there were a first step, it would be to remove your own tendency to sabotage your own happiness.
If there were a second step, it would be about identifying the wants that are real.
And, if there were a third step, it would be about truly understanding what the difference is between the superficial want and the deeper wants.” - Dushka Zapata
The Architecture of One’s Fabrication
Dushka and Christopher discuss how life is just the story that people tell themselves about the facts, people live in the architecture of their own fabrication. Dushka shares how it is worthwhile to perceive oneself as the person who thinks their thoughts rather than being one’s thoughts. This guarantees a life not filled with suffering over things that are uncontrollable and non-existent.
“To me, a really central part about learning how to love myself has to do with making a distinction between the things I believe that are not true.” - Dushka Zapata
To know more about the legendary Dushka Zapata and how to prioritize your well-being, download and listen to this episode.
Bio:
After working for more than 20 years in the communications industry, Dushka noticed a theme.
People find it very difficult to articulate who they are and what they do.
This holds true for both companies and for individuals.
For companies, this is an impediment to the development of an identity, a reputation, a brand.
It makes it hard for customers to see how companies are different from their competitors.
For individuals, in a new world order of personal brands, it makes it hard to develop one that feels real.
This is the focus of Dushka's work: she helps companies and people put into simple terms who they are, what they do, and where to go next.
Her work comes to life through message development, presentation training, media training and personal brand development.

Feb 8, 2021 • 1h 19min
204 Equality Through Wealth w/ Teri Williams | President of Largest Black-Owned Bank in America OneUnited
Teri Williams is the legendary President and Chief Operating Officer of OneUnited Bank. She is helping transform the country with the empire she is currently building. From purchasing a small struggling community bank in Boston to creating OneUnited Bank, the largest black-owned bank in the United States of America. Since they have started, Teri and her husband, Kevin, with their team have made over $1 billion in loans together. Along with being an entrepreneur, she is also an author with her book, I Got Bank!: What My Granddad Taught Me About Money.
Today, we have a powerful conversation about OneUnited Bank’s mission and how the couple runs a successful powerful business while raising two wonderful children. Teri has some fascinating insights on what it really means to make money and the statistics of the black community in the financial system. We also talk about how Teri and Kevin are showing how banking and entrepreneurship can change lives, communities, and even a country.
The OneUnitedBank
OneUnited Bank is the largest black-owned bank in the country. It has not only started as a community but is also transforming to becoming a digital bank. The goal they have is to make financial literacy a core value in the black community. Teri gives a bit of her personal background and story, and how she learned business from her grandmother.
She shares how one of the important things for the black community is to recognize those individuals who have been there, eliminate the carried shame, and value one’s experiences.
“We're finding ourselves not being able to speak in our authentic voice. We're finding that our community is not listening to us because we're not speaking in our authentic voice. So we have changed our communication. It was important for us, as a bank, to speak to the challenges that our community faces, not to run away from them. From that came this bank black movement. It is a bank black movement where black people can speak how they are going to move their money to black owned banks and are going to support black businesses.” - Teri Williams
Black Communities in the Financial System
Teri discusses the statistics and the poor treatment of the black community in the financial system. She shares how the homeownership rate in the black community is 30 percent lower compared to the white community. The number of loans and mortgages from national banks is 1 to 2 percent of all mortgages that are given to black families.
Though, there is hope. OneUnited Banks is creating partnerships and transacting with big corporations that are currently making big differences to the community.
“Netflix was the first to come out with this. Because of corporations like them, a lot of corporations have followed. I think the corporations realize that this is a way to contribute to what these banks are trying to do. It's also important for people to know what we do. Over 70% of our lending actually goes into the community and our credit losses are almost zero. It's not like we're doing lending that is risky. We are just doing lending that isn't being done by other institutions. That lending is giving our community an opportunity to build well.” - Teri Williams
OneTransaction Campaign and Conference
For Black History Month, Teri shares the OneTransaction Campaign and Conference that will be held on Juneteenth (June 19, 2021) from 1:00 - 6:00 PM ET (Eastern Time). The campaign will be a free virtual conference encouraging the black community to focus on one transaction in 2021. It will be filled with amazing speakers who are passionate to educate the community on how they can create generational wealth and close the racial wealth gap.
We hope you can virtually join and register for the OneTransaction Campaign and Conference and be part of the conversation.
“We give them a choice of six transactions. It could be a will, life insurance, home ownership, having a profitable business, improving their credit score or savings,

Feb 1, 2021 • 1h 21min
203 How To Be A Bootstrap Entrepreneur On A Mission w/ Thousand Helmets CEO Gloria Hwang
Gloria Hwang was a long-time cyclist who never wore a helmet. She thought they were too bulky, inconvenient, and space-agey looking. Then, a friend of hers died in a bike accident. She decided something had to be done about helmets. Gloria, a savvy professional who’s been working for five years inside the legendary Tom's shoes, saw the new mobility category designed right in front of her eyes.
With a very small amount of money and a Kickstarter campaign, she started Thousand Helmets. In this episode, we talk about Gloria’s story, as an entrepreneur and category designer and her mission of saving lives.
The Mission of Thousand Helmets
When Gloria decided to buy a helmet for herself, she saw a bunch of passable-looking helmets, but there's nothing she wanted to wear. The number one reason people don't ride a bike, skateboard, or scooter is they just don't feel safe. So, she believed that making a helmet that people would want to wear could help save a lot of lives:
"I really believe that I can create a product that people want to wear and I could solve a lot of problems. They could help save lives, and I could get people moving around cities in a different way." - Gloria Hwang
Prioritizing the Customer's Perspective
As helmets have been around since forever, Christopher asks Gloria how she saw an opportunity to create a different category of helmets. She says that it was all about customer insight as she was once a customer. Their first products were based on a human-centered design perspective and not on a market perspective.
"As a consumer, you have a whole different set of customer needs and problems than what's on the shelves. Then you kind of know that there is something out there for you that needs to be created." - Gloria Hwang
Design Philosophy
Gloria shares the fundamental concepts in their product development process. The first one is style, and the second one is safety so that people can be safe and look stylish at the same time. The last one is convenience, which created the idea of their secret PopLock function to avoid theft when people leave their helmets behind.
"There's the execution where things need to be beautiful and high quality, but it always goes back down to what the customer would be thinking right now and what problem they encounter when they're deciding to pick up a helmet. So, at the end of the day, it's kind of trying to get a good understanding of what that customer wants." - Gloria Hwang
To know more about Gloria Hwang and how to be a bootstrap entrepreneur, download and listen to this episode.
Links:
Thousand Helmets - Our Story
Instagram: @explorethousand
Twitter: @explorethousand
Linkedin: Gloria Hwang
Designer Spotlight: Thousand Bike Helmets Become A Stylish Safety Accessory
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Jan 25, 2021 • 1h 27min
202 Harvard’s Top Astronomer Says Aliens Tried to Contact Us | Dr. Avi Loeb, Author, Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth
Harvard's top astronomer professor Avi Loeb, just published a book called Extra-Terrestrial, The First Sign Of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth. He believes that in 2017, the highly unusual object that passed by earth called Oumuamua, was likely alien.
So in this episode, we go deep into obvious hypotheses, the attributes and characteristics that prove that Oumuamua was not a comet or an asteroid or anything else we've seen before. We also dig into why the good professor thinks it was likely alien. We discuss why he thinks science is a “dialogue with nature” and why at massive personal risk, he decided to come forward with his theory.
Science as a Dialogue with Nature
Avi says that science is a way of appreciating and understanding the world. It is not in conflict with religion either. Science explains how things work and it increases your own understanding of nature. Additionally, he says that he's frustrated because many scientists focus on concepts without evidence and have no connection to experiments:
"There is no evidence that these ideas are valued and that they actually describe nature. To me, that's a betrayal of traditional physics, where we were supposed to have a dialogue with nature, not a monologue. We're not supposed to tell nature what it is but listen for experiments to what nature is." - Avi Loeb
The Discovery of Oumuamua
Christopher and Avi talk all about the likely alien, Oumuamua. Avi says that before discovering Oumuamua, they haven't seen an object in outer space that moves too fast and more powerful from the gravitational pull. This ability to escape the gravitational pull of the sun was a huge discovery and led to the idea that an alien passed by the Earth for a visit.
"It's just that it's relative speed. If a bullet moves too fast relative to the earth or, if a spacecraft moves too fast, it will never fall. It would just escape. So the issue is how fast does an object move relative to the source of gravity? All the objects we have seen before were bound to the sun that was relics from the formation process of the solar system." - Avi Loeb
Claims About Oumuamua
After discovering Oumuamua, astronomers claimed that it was just a comet or an asteroid that came near the Earth. Another object with an extra push similar to Oumuamua's was also discovered. However, it turns out it was a rocket booster that left the Arabs in 1966. This event somehow proved that Oumuamua is indeed peculiar.
"The actual discovery of Oumuamua is by itself a puzzle. It means that the abundance of such objects is much greater than would be expected from the rocks that occupied the solar system at any event. Putting that aside, this object was peculiar. It exhibited an extra push of the type that you expect from a comet." - Avi Loeb
To know more about Harvard’s Top Astronomer and the Aliens Who Tried to Contact Us, download and listen to this episode.
Bio:
Abraham (Avi) Loeb is the Frank B. Baird, Jr., Professor of Science at Harvard University.
He received a Ph.D. in Physics from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in Israel at age 24 (1980-1986), led the first international project supported by the Strategic Defense Initiative (1983-1988), and was subsequently a long-term member of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton (1988-1993).
Loeb has written 8 books. These includes most recently, Extraterrestrial (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2021), and about 800 papers (with an h-index of 113) on a wide range of topics. Topics include black holes, the first stars, the search for extraterrestrial life and the future of the Universe.
He had been the longest-serving Chair of Harvard's Department of Astronomy (2011-2020), Founding Director of Harvard's Black Hole Initiative (2016-present), and Director of the Institute for Theory and Computation (2007-present) within the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.
He is the Chair of the Board on Physics and Astronomy of the National Academies (2018-present). Additionally,

Jan 18, 2021 • 1h 22min
201 The Art of The Impossible w/ Steven Kotler NY Times Bestselling Author
Today, we have the legendary Steven Kotler to talk about how we can turn the impossible into possible, using insights from his book, The Art of Impossible. The book is about peak performance and it aims to teach us how to stretch far beyond our capabilities to attain our dreams and anything we want.
Personality vs. Biology
Steven states that in the field of peak performance, personality doesn't scale because biology does. Personality is composed of traits that are immutable and locked in. He also describes neurobiology as a mechanism of brain work.
"If you try to figure out what works for me and use it to train you and if you're not exactly the same kind of person I am with the same personality traits, this is not going to work. But underneath that one level down, there is a level of biology. A way the system has been designed to work, and that is the part that we all share. The stuff that evolution designed for all of us to share." - Steven Kotler
Focus Comes with Motivation
Steven says that you always have to focus on what you pay attention to, or what you ignore. Curiosity, passion, purpose, and autonomy are designed to work in a specific sequence, but all of them give us focus for free. He also says that the whole point about biology and the human system is you get farther and faster with less work.
"We are hardwired for the extraordinary. It is one of the surprising things about being human that most people don't realize. To take it a step farther, not going big, is actually bad for us. That's an equally important point here." - Steven Kotler
Turning Anxiety into Excitement
Today, we live in a world filled with probabilistic threats, which is the reason why most people have anxiety. Steven concludes that the brain doesn't turn off until the danger is gone completely. So, you have to take steps to calm nervous system down because it won't shut down on its own:
“Most humans can feel curiosity and anxiety at the same time. Talk about reframe and cognitive reframing, a technique for turning anxiety into excitement. Because it's the same chemical and it's very easy to do. An example of giving biology to work for you rather than against you. We're plagued by anxiety, and yet we're hardwired to turn anxiety into excitement very easily just with the right tools.” - Steven Kotler
To know more about the art of the impossible with Steven Kotler, download and listen to this episode.
Bio:
Steven Kotler is a New York Times bestselling author, an award-winning journalist, and the Executive Director of the Flow Research Collective. He is one of the world’s leading experts on human performance.
He is the author of nine bestsellers (out of thirteen books), including The Art of Impossible, The Future is Faster Than You Think, Stealing Fire, The Rise of Superman, Bold, and Abundance.
His work has been nominated for two Pulitzer Prizes, translated into over 40 languages, and has appeared in over 100 publications, including the New York Times Magazine, Wired, Atlantic Monthly, Wall Street Journal, TIME, and the Harvard Business Review.
Links:
Website: Steven Kotler
Twitter: @steven_kotler
Linkedin: Steven Kotler
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