

The Leader’s Way
Berkeley Divinity School at Yale
A spirituality podcast for people who aren’t ready to give up on the world, The Leader’s Way features conversations with intellectual entrepreneurs at the intersection of leadership, spirituality, and theology.
This podcast is hosted by Executive Director of Leadership Dr. Brandon Nappi ’01 MDiv and guest hosts Misty Krasawski ’26 MDiv and Whitney Kimball Coe ’26 MDiv. It is brought to you by Berkeley Divinity School, the Episcopal seminary at Yale.
This podcast is hosted by Executive Director of Leadership Dr. Brandon Nappi ’01 MDiv and guest hosts Misty Krasawski ’26 MDiv and Whitney Kimball Coe ’26 MDiv. It is brought to you by Berkeley Divinity School, the Episcopal seminary at Yale.
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Nov 27, 2023 • 32min
9: Theology in the Public Sphere with Angela Gorrell
This week, the Rev'd Dr. Angela Gorrell joins us, and we talk about public theology, hybrid ministry, the Taylor Swift Eras Tour, grief, lament, and joy.

Nov 13, 2023 • 30min
8: Leadership and the Joy of Parish Ministry with Winnie Varghese
In this episode, the Rev’d Winnie Varghese, Rector of St. Luke’s Episcopal Church in Atlanta, Georgia, joins us to talk about parish ministry. We chat about Mariology, in-person church in the wake of the pandemic, and joy in ministry.

Oct 30, 2023 • 29min
7: Speaking about Satan with Gabrielle Thomas
In this Halloween episode, the Rev’d Dr. Gabrielle Thomas and Dr. Hannah Black talk about some of their favorite people: the fourth century Cappadocians. Thomas shares what her research has uncovered about the Cappadocians’ understanding of the devil. Spoiler: He is not a red guy with horns. Rather, our fourth-century guides view him as the enemy of salvation and the church.

Oct 16, 2023 • 33min
6: A Case for Love with Michael Curry and Andrew McGowan
In this episode, hear from Presiding Bishop Michael Curry and Dean of Berkeley Divinity School Andrew McGowan on the centrality of love to Christianity. This live conversation, mediated by nationally bestselling author Deborah Royce, was recorded at the Yale Club in New York City inMay 2023. It celebrates the debut of the film, A Case for Love, a Grace-Based Films documentary about Presiding Bishop Michael Curry’s teachings and writings.

Oct 2, 2023 • 29min
5: Clergy Wellness with Rae Jean Proeschold-Bell
Dr. Rae Jean Proeschold-Bell is a research professor at Duke Global Health Institute. In this episode, she shares research findings from the Clergy Health Initiative. She talks about the differences in behaviors between flourishing and burnt-out clergy. Rae Jean shares practical strategies for clergy to guard themselves against burnout as well as her tips for seminarians.

Sep 23, 2023 • 36sec
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Sep 18, 2023 • 27min
4: Contemplative Practice and the Trinity with Robert Jonas
The doctrine of the Trinity is as foundational to Christianity as it is elusive and even confounding. While the Trinity seems to many like a distant theological formulation, writer, contemplative teacher, and therapist, Dr. Robert Jonas shares insights about just how intimate, practical, and transformative the Trinity can be in daily life. Revealing Jesus as a teacher of “non-dual” and trinitarian awareness, Jonas presents fresh ways in which the liberating core of Christianity is available to us all.

Sep 4, 2023 • 22min
3: Bungee Jumping with Andrew Doyle
What is it like to be the spiritual leader for 75,000 people? What do the challenges of the Church look like from the perspective of an Episcopal bishop, and how does one find hope in a world with so much hardship? Bishop Andrew Doyle handles these questions and more with ease, authenticity, and copious amounts of hope in what feels like a comfortable conversation in a favorite neighborhood café.

Aug 21, 2023 • 36min
2: Why AI Needs Religion with Ilia Delio
In her latest book, Re-Enchanting the Earth: Why AI Needs Religion, scientist and theologian Ilia Delio takes up the challenge of reconciling evolution and religion with particular attention to the role of Artificial Intelligence. She argues that AI represents the latest extension of human evolution, which has implications not only for science but also for religion. Our conversation explores Sr. Ilia's vocation story, the theology of Teilhard de Chardin, and why she is still hopeful about our collective future.

Aug 14, 2023 • 30min
1: Brave and Innovative Ministry with Hillary Raining
How can we sustain ourselves through the rigors and demands of ministry? How can contemplative practices buoy our spirits and our bodies as we seek to serve the Church and the world? How can timeless practices offer timely wisdom to our aching world? This expansive conversation is both deeply traditional and completely fresh as it seeks to wrestle with these profound questions in new ways.
The Rev’d. Hillary Raining, D.Min. is the Director of St. Christopher's Episcopal Church in Gladwyne, Pennsylvania and founder of The Hive, an online spirituality and wellness community. In addition to parish ministry, she is a published writer in both church and academic fields. She has also served on numerous Diocesan and Episcopal Church Conventions, Committees and Boards. Currently, Raining serves The General Theological Seminary as the Director of the Center for Christian Spirituality and Affiliated Professor of Ascetic & Liturgical Theology. Additionally, Hillary is a spiritual director, yoga & meditation instructor, bee keeper, and forest therapist. Hillary teaches regularly at www.thehiveapiary.com and you are welcome to become a member!