
The Leader’s Way
Join Brandon Nappi, DMin, and Hannah Black, PhD, on this audio pilgrimage from Berkeley Divinity School, the Episcopal seminary at Yale. Journey with us as we contemplate life’s biggest questions together. In this podcast, we interview leaders and scholars as we think through the Church in the world today, theology, leadership, and innovation. Join us on this pilgrimage, where we cultivate hope and find inspiration along the way. New episodes drop every other Monday.
Latest episodes

Dec 9, 2024 • 57min
42: Immigration and Apocalypse with Yii-Jan Lin
Professor Lin tells us all about her new book Immigration and Apocolypse: How the Book of Revelation Shaped American Immigration. We think about Christopher Columbus and the New World, why there's a "new" in New England, New York, and New Haven, how Revelation's words have shaped rhetoric about immigration, how Westward expansion and building a wall fit in, and more. Professor Lin helps us think about how our new understanding of Revelation and the American imagination apply to preaching on Revelation, teaching children about Thanksgiving, and making the case for why thinking about colonialism is important.
Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black
Guest: Yii-Jan Lin
Production: Goodchild Media
Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective
Art: Ella Landino
Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast
berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast
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Nov 25, 2024 • 52min
41: Trauma-Informed Spiritual Care with Danielle Tumminio Hansen
Danielle Tumminio Hansen, an Associate Professor of Practical Theology and Spiritual Care, dives deep into the intersection of pop culture and theology. She discusses her unique seminar on Harry Potter, highlighting trauma and grace in a safe academic space. The conversation also tackles complex issues surrounding abortion in Anglican theology, emphasizing the need for compassionate dialogue. Listeners will appreciate her insights on trauma-informed spiritual care and the role of faith leaders in navigating these tough topics.

Nov 11, 2024 • 1h 13min
40: The Inner Landscape with Parker Palmer
Renowned author and spiritual leader Parker Palmer joins Brandon and Hannah to explore the world of leadership and teaching. Palmer shares stories from his life, including profound mystical experiences, bouts of clinical depression, and classroom successes. The conversation underscores the importance of listening and trusting in leadership and teaching. This episode is a heartfelt exploration of the inner life of leaders, emphasizing the integration of faith, authenticity, and compassion in the practices of teaching and ministry.
Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black
Guest: Parker Palmer
Production: Goodchild Media
Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective
Instagram @theleadersway.podcast
berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast
Episode links:
Center for Courage and Renewal: https://couragerenewal.org/
The Courage to Teach: Exploring the Inner Landscape of a Teacher’s Life, Parker J. Palmer: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-courage-to-teach-exploring-the-inner-landscape-of-a-teacher-s-life-parker-j-palmer/12575744?ean=9781119413042

Oct 31, 2024 • 57min
39: The Salem Witch Trials with Ken Minkema
This special Halloween episode focuses on the Salem witch trials with a focus on what church leaders can learn from this period of history. Dr. Kenneth Minkema—Executive Editor of The Works of Jonathan Edwards and of the Jonathan Edwards Center & Online Archive at Yale University—teaches us about the witch trials in New England, highlighting their religious and social contexts, the dynamics of fear and accusation, and the lasting impact on American culture. The episode explores the complexities of Puritan beliefs, the role of fear and control in the witch hunts, and reflections on how these historical events relate to contemporary issues that church leaders face daily of fear, control, and othering.
Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black
Guest: Ken Minkema
Production: Goodchild Media
Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast
berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast

Oct 21, 2024 • 48min
38: The Leader's Way
Brandon and Hannah chat about why the podcast is called The Leader’s Way. We hear Brandon’s definition of leadership and talk about the courage, vulnerability, and commitment required of leaders. We hear Brandon’s vocation story and reflect on the work we do, offering continuing education to church leaders.

Oct 7, 2024 • 53min
37: Jesus and Empire with William Barber
In part 2 of our recording with a live studio audience, Bishop Barber breaks down how spiritual leaders are either prophets of the kingdom or chaplains to empire. He takes questions from the audience about the relationship between Episcopal tradition and moral demands, interfaith leadership, and leadership amid the military-industrial complex.
Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black
Guest: William Barber
Production: Goodchild Media
berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast

Sep 30, 2024 • 44min
36: Moral Leadership and Political Engagement with William Barber
The Rev. Dr. William Barber joined us at the Berkeley Center with a live studio audience for this episode of The Leader's Way Podcast, which will be released in 2 parts. Barber tells his vocation story and explains how morality is the key to nonpartisan spiritual leadership in politics. He talks about the "least of these" as a central part of moral engagement in politics and takes us inside a UN conversation about poverty.
Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black
Guest: William Barber Singer: Yara Allen
Filmed/Edited: Goodchild Media
berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast
Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast

Sep 23, 2024 • 38min
35: A Better Way at the National Cathedral with Randy Hollerith
The Very Rev’d Randy Hollerith, Dean of the National Cathedral in Washington, DC, joins us as we continue thinking about leading churches through especially political times. He talks about the church’s role as being a voice for the “better way”: the promotion of values like unity and love in contrast to what we often see in the world around us. He talks about the cathedral’s role in politics as one of convening conversation and creating space for prayer and reflection.

Sep 16, 2024 • 42min
34: Golden Retriever Games
A rare mostly unserious episode amid serious times: Brandon and Hannah take a moment one year into the show to reflect on past episodes and celebrate the new podcast art and music. We play the inaugural Golden Retriever Games: “Taylor or Dante?” and “The Question Game.”

Sep 9, 2024 • 49min
33: Spiritual Formation and Politics with Kaitlyn Schiess
Kaitlyn Schiess explores the fusion of faith and politics, emphasizing spiritual formation during election season. She offers tips for discussing politically charged topics at family gatherings and addresses the unique challenges theology students face in today's environment. The conversation humorously contrasts childlike faith with adult distractions and delves into how the Bible influences our understanding of social justice. Schiess highlights the need for empathy and contextual interpretations to navigate complex political discussions within faith communities.
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