The Very Rev’d Randy Hollerith, Dean of the National Cathedral in Washington, DC, joins us as we continue thinking about leading churches through especially political times. He talks about the church’s role as being a voice for the “better way”: the promotion of values like unity and love in contrast to what we often see in the world around us. He talks about the cathedral’s role in politics as one of convening conversation and creating space for prayer and reflection.

A rare mostly unserious episode amid serious times: Brandon and Hannah take a moment one year into the show to reflect on past episodes and celebrate the new podcast art and music. We play the inaugural Golden Retriever Games: “Taylor or Dante?” and “The Question Game.”

Kaitlyn Schiess explores the fusion of faith and politics, emphasizing spiritual formation during election season. She offers tips for discussing politically charged topics at family gatherings and addresses the unique challenges theology students face in today's environment. The conversation humorously contrasts childlike faith with adult distractions and delves into how the Bible influences our understanding of social justice. Schiess highlights the need for empathy and contextual interpretations to navigate complex political discussions within faith communities.

Father and son Richard and Christopher Hays discuss their new book The Widening of God’s Mercy: Sexuality Within the Biblical Story. This book seeks to take the Bible seriously by taking more of the Bible seriously. These authors do not focus solely on the prooftexts that have been used to deny LGBTQIA+ inclusion in the church, nor do they try to write them off. In this book, New Testament professor Richard Hays and Old Testament professor Christopher Hays provide a fresh map through the Bible that tells the story of a God of mercy and a sexual ethic of inclusion. We talk about their reason for writing this book, the metanoia of Richard’s viewpoint since 1996, some of the passages at play, and what happens next.

The Rev’d Rob Fisher tells the story of St. John’s Lafayette Square in Washington, DC. He tells us stories about Presidents Madison and Lincoln and reminds us that the church’s history, including having lived through the American Civil War, gives us perspective. He talks about the life of the church in 2020 and tells stories of Trump’s photo op, a Molotov cocktail, the pandemic, and more. He tells the story about the city putting a fence around the church and the murals that resulted. Fisher calls us to ground ourselves this election season by tempering our media diet and paying attention to the living saints around us.

The Rev’d Rob Fisher is Rector of St. John’s Lafayette Square, known as the “Church of the Presidents.” He joins us to talk about his vocation story and what it’s like to be the priest at a church where people’s lives and careers revolve around politics. Join us next week for part 2, where Fisher discusses what it was like to be the rector of St. John’s during the events of 2020.   Hosts: Brandon Nappi, DMin and Hannah Black, PhD Guest: The Rev’d Rob Fisher   See show notes at berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast

Yale Professor Willie Jennings joins us to talk about the relationship between race and theology. We break down how this relationship manifests in Zionism, supercessionism, and Christian nationalism. We break these ideas down to understand where they have come from and what they are. We talk about the bizarreness of being introduced to academic theology, and we consider the ways in which theology can be harmful or lifegiving.

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Eliza Griswold joins us to talk about her new book Circle of Hope, a compelling and honest portrait of a progressive evangelical church. Griswold’s immersive journalism brings into focus how one church was impacted by division brought about by events like the pandemic and the Black Lives Matter movement.

Dr. Kwok Pui Lan joins us to share wisdom from her 2023 book The Anglican Tradition from a Postcolonial Perspective. We talk about what a postcolonial perspective is and how it can color our thinking on topics from the history and identity of the Anglican Church to the ecological crisis and more.

The Rev’d Sarah Condon, co-host of Mockingcast, joins Hannah to talk about the twists and turns of life…in particular, vocation and grief.