The Other 22 Hours

Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
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Dec 10, 2025 • 43min

Max Wanger on listening to the lull, asking questions, and staying curious.

Max Wanger is an LA-based photographer who has shot the likes of Taylor Swift, Mandy Moore, Blake Mills, Glen Hansard, Madison Cunningham and past guests of ours Lucius, The Watson Twins, and The Milk Carton Kids, as well as Conde Nast Traveler, Virgin Records, Vans, Nike and many many more. We talk to Max about listening to the lull, doing jobs that pay the bills while protecting play and soul in the work, imposter syndrome, admitting what you don’t know, and how vulnerability deepens community, the long arc of following what makes you happy, and so much more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Max Wanger24x2425x25Ep 124 - AJRClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Dec 3, 2025 • 53min

Raye Zaragoza on healing the hustle wound, decentralizing, and patreon.

Raye Zaragoza has released 4+ records all independently, toured as Tigerlily in the Broadway touring version of Peter Pan (updated for indigenous representation by Native American playwright Larissa FastHorse), wrote the music for the Netflix series 'Spirit Rangers', and has placed songs in a substantial number of TV shows from Greys Anatomy to Station 19. We talk to Raye about the toxic hustle narrative in music and how to unlearn it, listening to your intuition vs. listening to the industry, decentralizing how you identify as an artist, running a successful and supportive Patreon community, and so much more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Raye ZaragozaRomán ZaragozaSpirit RangersPeter Pan broadwayBrandi CarlisleJulia MichaelsPatreonEp 111 - J Edward KeyesClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Nov 26, 2025 • 46min

Kris Delmhorst on invisible work, trusting slow seasons, and the myth of being seen.

Kris Delmhorst has released 12+ records independently and via Signature Sounds, has written/performed and recorded with Mary Gauthier, Lori McKenna, Grant Lee Phillips, Peter Wolf (lead singer of J. Geils Band), and more, is critically acclaimed by The Boston Globe, LA Times, Pop Matters, and all your favorite songwriters, and has written for tv & film, as well as countless festivals all over the world. We talk with Kris about creative cycles, retreating, and the necessity of disappearing to make real art, trusting your career through slow seasons, motherhood versus touring, sustaining a two-songwriter household, reframing art as a service rather than ego, and so much more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Kris DelmhorstEp 14 - Mark ErelliEp 60 - Lori McKennaEp 26 - Katie PruittJeffrey FoucaultGreg BrownEp 123 - Dave HausNowhere Else FestivalClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Nov 19, 2025 • 45min

Will Hoge on speaking up, creative responsibility, and poking the bear.

Will Hoge has released 13+ albums both independently and on major labels (Atlantic), has been nominated for Grammy, ACM, and CMA awards, and has toured with NEEDTOBREATHE, Jason Isbell, Lisa Loeb, Sugarland, Michelle Branch and others. We talk to Will about the emotional and professional fallout of writing politically charged songs, the role of parenting in shaping artistic courage and empathy, the difference between surviving the industry and making meaningful art, burnout, staying human, and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Will HogeRed Wanting BlueEp 21 - Alice GerrardAtlantic RecordsEp 125 - Josh RadnorEp 106 - Wilder Woods/Bear RhineheartEp 123 - Dave HausGarry TallentClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Nov 12, 2025 • 51min

Malin Pettersen on cultural duality, impermanence, and privilege.

Malin Pettersen is a Norwegian singer-songwriter and Spellemannprisen winner (Norwegian Grammy), who has released multiple solo records as well as records with her band, Lucky Lips, has toured extensively throughout Europe and America, and has been acclaimed by Rolling Stone, Forbes, No Depression, Paste and even Iris Dement is a fan. We talk with Malin about the illusion of success, cultural duality between Norway and America, the Norwegian government's support for artists,  embracing uncertainty, doubt, and struggle, and so much more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Malin PettersonEp 123 - Dave HausDarling WestEp 69 - Lilly HiattJansen RecordsEp 128 - FlyteEzra Klein x Ta-Nehisi Coates conversation“Just Kids” - Patti SmithClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Nov 5, 2025 • 57min

Jillian Jacqueline on identity, motherhood, and creative renewal.

Jillian Jacqueline has released 4+ records/EPs on both major and independent labels, she started performing at 8 years old, had a charting song at 12 (with Billy Dean and Suzie Bogguss), has worked with Vince Gill, Suzy Bogguss, Richard Marx, Keith Urban, and Shane McAnally, played the Grand Ole Opry, and toured all over the world. We talk to Jillian about redefining success, industry expectations, motherhood and artistry, maintaining integrity, building community, challenging your identity, and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Jillian JacquelineEp 77 - Madi DiazEp 66 - Sean and Sara WatkinsLaura MarlingEp 3 - Milk Carton KidsEp 11 - LuciusClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Oct 29, 2025 • 43min

Flyte on commodification, British repression, and conveyer belts.

Flyte are the British duo of songwriters Will Taylor and Nicolas Hill, who started creating together in grade school before signing to a major label (Island Records), leaving that for indie labels (Nettwerk), working with producers such as Ethan Johns, and collaborating with the likes of The Staves, Laura Marling, and Madison Cunningham. We talk with them about a lot of the inner workings of their songwriting practice and approach to record making, classic British emotional repression, coping, creative confusion, commodification, and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:FlyteBlackabyNick LoweYep RocEleanor MossReal World StudiosEthan JohnsGlyn JohnsSigridEp 119 - Dan ReederBBC Radio OneClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Oct 22, 2025 • 56min

Lera Lynn on identity, sexism, and finding creative power.

Lera Lynn has released 8+ records, written and recorded songs for True Detective (HBO) with T-Bone Burnett and Rosanne Cash (as well as being cast as a character), played Late Night with David Letterman, toured extensively nationally and internationally, and has been praised by NPR, Rolling Stone, Nylon, and other outlets. We go deep with Lera on learning and setting your own boundaries with yourself and with the industry, lived experiences with the impact and bias against women and mothers by the music industry, losing your sense of purpose and finding it again, enjoying yourself, and more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Lera LynnTrue DetectiveKorby LenkerDaniel TashianEp 126 - Yancey StricklerEp 27 - Mary GauthierJillian JacquelineEp 107 - Caitlyn SmithClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Oct 15, 2025 • 52min

Revolutionizing the Creative Economy with Yancey Strickler.

Yancey Strickler is a writer and entrepreneur that co-founded Kickstarter (and was CEO for 3 years), Metalabel, The Creative Independent, and A-Corp (Artist Corporations). Essentially, each of these ventures exist to equip creative people with capabilities, knowledge, and tools that make them more powerful. We cover the different facets of this at length, especially his concept of, and push to create Artist Corporations, the systemic exploitation of artists, how DSPs trade convenience for meaning and depth, platform boycotts, "winning" in it's purest sense, and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Yancey StricklerA-CorpsMetaLabelThe Creative IndependentHipgnosisNirvanaThe Royal Alberta AdvantageEp 68 - Evan Honer“All The King’s Men”Virgil AblohBentoismCS Lewis - “The Inner Ring”Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Oct 8, 2025 • 59min

Josh Radnor on first drafts, internal weather, and artistic generosity.

In this enlightening conversation, Josh Radnor, the multifaceted talent behind Ted Mosby in 'How I Met Your Mother', explores the intricate dance of creativity and self-acceptance. He shares insights on checking your internal weather, balancing periods of hibernation and blooming, and the challenges of fame. Josh also delves into how psychedelics and aging have transformed his artistic lens, emphasizing the importance of writing with economy and allowing audiences to engage deeply. Discover how viewing art as an act of generosity can enrich both creator and consumer.

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