The Other 22 Hours

Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
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Nov 19, 2025 • 45min

Will Hoge on speaking up, creative responsibility, and poking the bear.

Will Hoge has released 13+ albums both independently and on major labels (Atlantic), has been nominated for Grammy, ACM, and CMA awards, and has toured with NEEDTOBREATHE, Jason Isbell, Lisa Loeb, Sugarland, Michelle Branch and others. We talk to Will about the emotional and professional fallout of writing politically charged songs, the role of parenting in shaping artistic courage and empathy, the difference between surviving the industry and making meaningful art, burnout, staying human, and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Will HogeRed Wanting BlueEp 21 - Alice GerrardAtlantic RecordsEp 125 - Josh RadnorEp 106 - Wilder Woods/Bear RhineheartEp 123 - Dave HausGarry TallentClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Nov 12, 2025 • 51min

Malin Pettersen on cultural duality, impermanence, and privilege.

Malin Pettersen is a Norwegian singer-songwriter and Spellemannprisen winner (Norwegian Grammy), who has released multiple solo records as well as records with her band, Lucky Lips, has toured extensively throughout Europe and America, and has been acclaimed by Rolling Stone, Forbes, No Depression, Paste and even Iris Dement is a fan. We talk with Malin about the illusion of success, cultural duality between Norway and America, the Norwegian government's support for artists,  embracing uncertainty, doubt, and struggle, and so much more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Malin PettersonEp 123 - Dave HausDarling WestEp 69 - Lilly HiattJansen RecordsEp 128 - FlyteEzra Klein x Ta-Nehisi Coates conversation“Just Kids” - Patti SmithClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Nov 5, 2025 • 57min

Jillian Jacqueline on identity, motherhood, and creative renewal.

Jillian Jacqueline has released 4+ records/EPs on both major and independent labels, she started performing at 8 years old, had a charting song at 12 (with Billy Dean and Suzie Bogguss), has worked with Vince Gill, Suzy Bogguss, Richard Marx, Keith Urban, and Shane McAnally, played the Grand Ole Opry, and toured all over the world. We talk to Jillian about redefining success, industry expectations, motherhood and artistry, maintaining integrity, building community, challenging your identity, and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Jillian JacquelineEp 77 - Madi DiazEp 66 - Sean and Sara WatkinsLaura MarlingEp 3 - Milk Carton KidsEp 11 - LuciusClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Oct 29, 2025 • 43min

Flyte on commodification, British repression, and conveyer belts.

Flyte are the British duo of songwriters Will Taylor and Nicolas Hill, who started creating together in grade school before signing to a major label (Island Records), leaving that for indie labels (Nettwerk), working with producers such as Ethan Johns, and collaborating with the likes of The Staves, Laura Marling, and Madison Cunningham. We talk with them about a lot of the inner workings of their songwriting practice and approach to record making, classic British emotional repression, coping, creative confusion, commodification, and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:FlyteBlackabyNick LoweYep RocEleanor MossReal World StudiosEthan JohnsGlyn JohnsSigridEp 119 - Dan ReederBBC Radio OneClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Oct 22, 2025 • 56min

Lera Lynn on identity, sexism, and finding creative power.

Lera Lynn has released 8+ records, written and recorded songs for True Detective (HBO) with T-Bone Burnett and Rosanne Cash (as well as being cast as a character), played Late Night with David Letterman, toured extensively nationally and internationally, and has been praised by NPR, Rolling Stone, Nylon, and other outlets. We go deep with Lera on learning and setting your own boundaries with yourself and with the industry, lived experiences with the impact and bias against women and mothers by the music industry, losing your sense of purpose and finding it again, enjoying yourself, and more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Lera LynnTrue DetectiveKorby LenkerDaniel TashianEp 126 - Yancey StricklerEp 27 - Mary GauthierJillian JacquelineEp 107 - Caitlyn SmithClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Oct 15, 2025 • 52min

Revolutionizing the Creative Economy with Yancey Strickler.

Yancey Strickler is a writer and entrepreneur that co-founded Kickstarter (and was CEO for 3 years), Metalabel, The Creative Independent, and A-Corp (Artist Corporations). Essentially, each of these ventures exist to equip creative people with capabilities, knowledge, and tools that make them more powerful. We cover the different facets of this at length, especially his concept of, and push to create Artist Corporations, the systemic exploitation of artists, how DSPs trade convenience for meaning and depth, platform boycotts, "winning" in it's purest sense, and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Yancey StricklerA-CorpsMetaLabelThe Creative IndependentHipgnosisNirvanaThe Royal Alberta AdvantageEp 68 - Evan Honer“All The King’s Men”Virgil AblohBentoismCS Lewis - “The Inner Ring”Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Oct 8, 2025 • 59min

Josh Radnor on first drafts, internal weather, and artistic generosity.

In this enlightening conversation, Josh Radnor, the multifaceted talent behind Ted Mosby in 'How I Met Your Mother', explores the intricate dance of creativity and self-acceptance. He shares insights on checking your internal weather, balancing periods of hibernation and blooming, and the challenges of fame. Josh also delves into how psychedelics and aging have transformed his artistic lens, emphasizing the importance of writing with economy and allowing audiences to engage deeply. Discover how viewing art as an act of generosity can enrich both creator and consumer.
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Oct 1, 2025 • 51min

AJR on laughing at yourself, failing quickly, and reading the comments.

AJR are a multi-platinum trio of brothers who started busking in NYC in 2005, and have gone on to release 10 records/EPs (mostly independently, with only 1 major label release), rack up 8+ platinum singles (some multi) and 1 platinum record, nominations for Billboard, iHeartRadio, and American Music Awards, and tours selling out places such as Madison Square Garden and the Hollywood Bowl. We talk with Jack and Ryan about vulnerability as strength, being able to laugh at yourself, failing quickly and moving on, staying fresh and agile creatively, connecting on a human granular level, surviving the comment section, and a whole lot more.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:AJREp46 - Mary Chapin CarpenterChris MartinClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
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Sep 24, 2025 • 55min

Dave Hause on blue collar, anticipation, and minor tweaks.

Dave Hause, a Philadelphia-born punk singer-songwriter and co-founder of Blood Harmony Records, shares insights from his 30-year career. He talks about the blue-collar mentality behind creativity and the importance of discipline in sustaining a creative lifestyle. Dave reflects on balancing family life with touring, tackling the anxiety induced by modern information overload, and the value of anticipation in creative projects. He also discusses how minor lifestyle changes and sobriety have positively impacted his artistry, encouraging emerging musicians to hustle and stay true to their vision.
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Sep 17, 2025 • 46min

Hayes Carll on journaling, divesting from outcomes, and self solidity.

Hayes Carll is a Grammy nominated songwriter from Texas, who has appeared on everything from The Tonight Show to Austin City Limits, is championed by The New York Times, Pitchfork and NPR, and has had his songs covered by Kenny Chesney, Lee Ann Womack, Brothers Osborne, Kelly Willis, and the Hard Working Americans. We talk with Hayes about morning routines and self-care on the road, breaking your audience's stereotypes of a former you, journaling, and divesting from outcomes.Get more access and support this show by subscribing to our Patreon, right here.Links:Hayes CarllEp 7 - BJ Barham (American Aquarium)Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.Social Media:The Other 22 Hours InstagramThe Other 22 Hours TikTokMichaela Anne InstagramAaron Shafer-Haiss InstagramAll music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.

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