

The GovMaker Podcast
GovMaker
The GovMaker Podcast is an interview series that uncovers the how of public sector innovation. Join co-hosts Nick Scott and Jason Pearman as they engage with leaders who have been entrusted with significant mandates to reform and transform public services.In a field crowded with frameworks and toolkits, the podcast focuses on the craft required to deliver change inside government.Each episode features inspiring stories and practical insights that surface the patterns, skills, and strategies that enable meaningful transformation in public services.If you are a practitioner, leader, or funder passionate about achieving better outcomes through government, this podcast is your guide.
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Jan 2, 2026 • 1h 3min
Ingredients for Mission-Oriented Government with Sarah Doyle
In this first interview of Season 3, Sarah Doyle reflects on her journey into the public sector and the insights she’s gained from working across government, as well as from her time at the UCL Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose and MaRS Discovery District.We explore what mission-oriented government looks like beyond the theory: how public institutions build the capacity to work across silos, collaborate with actors outside government, and operate in fast-moving, interconnected environments.Sarah shares concrete examples of where mission-oriented approaches have taken root, what’s helped them succeed, and what continues to get in the way.The conversation also turns to storytelling as a core capability that shapes public understanding, influences what governments see as possible, and expands the range of policy and program options on the table.

Nov 22, 2025 • 17min
Welcome to Season 3!
New season, new intro! In this episode of the GovMaker podcast, hosts Nick Scott and Jason Pearman are joined by Pond Deshpande, Executive Director, Vanessa Paesani, to discuss the upcoming season and the 2025 GovMaker Conference in partnership with the Canadian Open Data Summit. The episode includes reflections on past seasons and a preview of what's to come in Season 3!

Dec 18, 2024 • 50min
Leadership for Transforming Government with Susan Holt - recorded live at GovMaker 2024
In this final episode of the GovMaker podcast season two, we bring you an exclusive live recording from GovMaker 2024. Hosted by Nick Scott, this special episode features an insightful conversation with the newly elected Premier of New Brunswick, Susan Holt.
During the discussion, Premier Holt reflects on her inspiring journey to the highest office in the province, sharing the pivotal moments and lessons that shaped her leadership style. She opens up about the profound influence her parents had on her values and approach to leadership, emphasizing the power of integrity, resilience, and empathy.
As the conversation unfolds, Holt explores the critical role of collaboration in effective governance, stressing how building meaningful connections and fostering cooperation across sectors are essential for transforming government. With a focus on the future, she discusses her vision for New Brunswick and the importance of creating a more innovative, and forward-thinking government.
Tune in for an inspiring conversation that will leave you reflecting on the role of leadership in shaping our collective future.

Dec 11, 2024 • 54min
Exploring Social Innovation and Open Government with Nick Scott
In this conversation, Nick Scott shares his experiences and insights on driving innovation and change within government. He discusses the importance of serendipity and how seemingly unrelated experiences and connections can come together to create opportunities. Nick also talks about the challenges he faced in changing the culture of government and the need for empathy and self-care in leadership roles. He highlights the value of building networks and creating spaces for experimentation and learning. Stay tuned for the release of the last episode of the season next Wednesday with a special guest!

Dec 4, 2024 • 51min
Creating an Enabling Environment for Innovation with Jason Pearman
In this conversation, Nick Scott questioned Jason Pearman about his Hero journey as a public servant. Jason breaks down the process of transforming government and shares his experiences in implementing innovative practices. He discusses the Open Policymaking Toolkit and the importance of providing the right level of information and technical assistance to professionals. Jason also highlights the role of champions and supporters in crafting an enabling environment for innovation in the public sector.

Nov 26, 2024 • 1h 19min
Aligning Goals Across Government Levels with Honey Dacanay
In this conversation, Honey Dacanay discusses the challenges and strategies for driving innovation in the public sector. Key themes include the impact of time pressures on innovation, the importance of leveraging political capital, and the need for effective leadership succession. Dacanay emphasizes understanding organizational readiness for change and empowering colleagues to take initiative. The discussion also highlights the significance of collaboration and continuous learning in fostering a culture of innovation within public service.
Join the conversation on the Pond-Deshpande Social media platforms and secure your spot today for GovMaker 2024 at govmaker2024.eventbrite.ca!

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Nov 20, 2024 • 1h 23min
Dreaming about a Ministry of Unbounded Affairs in Canada with Marlieke Kieboom
Marlieke Kieboom, an anthropologist and design chapter director in British Columbia's Ministry of Citizen Services, shares her insights on public service transformation. She introduces the innovative concept of the 'Ministry of Unbounded Affairs' to break traditional departmental barriers. The discussion highlights the importance of collaboration and knowledge co-production in addressing societal challenges. Additionally, Marlieke explores 'rewilding' governance, emphasizing community engagement and the need for relational practices to enhance democratic processes.

Nov 14, 2024 • 1h 34min
How It All Broke: A Call for Change in public services with Kelly Lamrock
In this conversation, Kelly Lamrock discusses the systemic failures of government as highlighted in his reports, 'How It All Broke' and 'What We All Want.' He emphasizes the need for significant reforms in public service, focusing on the importance of outcomes over outputs, the role of incentives, and the necessity of leadership that prioritizes collective goals. Lamrock advocates for decentralizing decision-making to empower frontline workers and improve service delivery, ultimately aiming to close the gap between policy promises and actual outcomes for citizens. He also offers advice to public servants on embracing discomfort to drive meaningful change, while reflecting on the importance of gratitude in their roles.
Join the conversation on the Pond-Deshpande Social media platforms and secure your spot today for GovMaker 2024 at govmaker2024.eventbrite.ca!

Nov 6, 2024 • 28min
The need to transform public service (opening discussion) with Katie Davey
Our co-hosts Nick Scott and Jason Peerman are joined by Katie Davey, Executive Director of the Pond-Deshpande Centre, to discuss the central theme of this season's podcast, highlighting the need to transform public services and pave the way for the next generation of public servants.
Join the conversation on the Pond-Deshpande Social media platforms and secure your spot today for GovMaker 2024 at govmaker2024.eventbrite.ca!

Oct 30, 2024 • 1h 24min
The Role of Empathy in Leadership with René Boudreau
In this engaging conversation, René Boudreau shares his journey in public service, highlighting his role in founding Brilliant Labs to drive innovation in public education. He discusses the significance of empathy and kindness in leadership, reflecting on his own experiences and failures. Boudreau advocates for empowering individuals within government to drive change and highlights the crucial role politicians play in governance. The discussion also touches on the need for rapid adaptation and the importance of maintaining connections with the outside world. Ultimately, Boudreau encourages leaders to foster a culture of kindness and support within their teams.
Join the conversation on the Pond-Deshpande Social media platforms and secure your spot today for GovMaker 2024 at govmaker2024.eventbrite.ca!


