

The Design Psychologist | Psychology for UX, Product, Service, Instructional, Interior, and Game Designers
Thomas Watkins
Welcome to The Design Psychologist, a podcast where we explore the intersection of psychology and design. The show is hosted by Thomas Watkins, a design psychologist who has spent years applying behavioral science principles to the creation of digital products. We sit down with a variety of experts who apply psychology in different ways to the design of the world around us. Thomas uses his expertise to guide conversations that provide practical advice while illuminating the theory behind why designs succeed. Tune in if you are a design practitioner who seeks to understand your work on a deeper level and craft experiences that are intuitive, effective, and delightful.
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Aug 18, 2025 • 1h 13min
Closing the Knowing-Doing Gap: Designing for Real Behavior Change (with Julie Dirksen)
Julie Dirksen, a seasoned designer of learning experiences and author, dives into the complexities of behavior change. She explores why simply sharing information often falls short in driving action. Discover practical strategies for tackling the knowing–doing gap, such as understanding motivation and habit dynamics. Julie introduces the 'elephant and rider' model to highlight how emotions influence decisions. Through real-world examples, she emphasizes tailoring training to diverse learner needs and reshaping environments to make the right choices easier.

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Aug 11, 2025 • 20min
Order Matters—But Not the Way You Think: How Serial Position Gets Misused
Explore how the order of information affects memory retention, focusing on the primacy and recency effects. Discover why we remember the first and last items better than those in the middle. Learn about the common pitfalls designers face when applying memory principles, and how to prioritize attention over mere recall. Get insights from pioneering psychologists and apply these findings to enhance your design, whether it’s a product pitch or content organization, ensuring your key messages resonate and stick.

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Aug 4, 2025 • 56min
From Vibes to Variables: How We’re Measuring the Unmeasurable in UX (with Bill Albert)
Bill Albert, the Principal and founder of Greenlight Idea Lab, dives into the intricacies of user experience metrics. He emphasizes the difference between usability and desirability, advocating for tools that measure emotions like frustration and delight. The podcast explores the importance of aligning design with user expectations, using physiological tools like eye-tracking. Bill also highlights the need for deeper engagement strategies and the integration of quantitative research to better understand user insights, all while ensuring product relevance and satisfaction.

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Jul 28, 2025 • 20min
The Shape of Choice: What Hick’s Law Really Reveals About Decision Time
Discover how too many choices can hamper user experience through the lens of Hick's Law. This principle reveals that more options often lead to longer decision times, creating cognitive overload. Learn practical design strategies to streamline choices and enhance usability. When should you reduce options, and when might it backfire? Gain insights on making interfaces feel faster and more intuitive by leveraging psychological principles.

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Jul 21, 2025 • 1h 3min
How to Visualize the Invisible: Metaphors, Models, and Meaning (with Stephen P. Anderson)
Stephen P. Anderson, a design leader known for the Mental Notes card deck, shares insights on transforming complex ideas into clear visuals. He discusses why visualization challenges often arise during the drawing process and whether effective illustration stems from method or talent. The conversation explores how metaphors impact understanding, and the power of visual collaboration in overcoming creative blocks. Anderson also highlights the role of embodied cognition in refining our approach to concept visualization, offering practical tips for better clarity in communication.

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Jul 14, 2025 • 18min
How Well Do Our Words Reflect Our Inside World? A psychological perspective on the limits of self-report, introspection, and understanding the human mind
Can you really trust what users say? This discussion reveals the pitfalls of self-reporting in UX research, where memory and self-perception can lead to inaccuracies. Historical perspectives illustrate the complexities of human introspection, demonstrating how people's verbal accounts often differ from their actual behaviors. Key experiments highlight the challenges of capturing true motivations and cognitive processes. Overall, it's a call for blending self-reported data with observational insights to better understand user experiences and inform design decisions.

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Jul 7, 2025 • 1h 3min
Disruptive by Design: Uncovering Game-Changing Insights (with Larry Marine)
Larry Marine, a veteran UX researcher and cognitive scientist, shares his expertise on disruptive research in design. He discusses how insights can fundamentally reshape products and markets. Marine emphasizes critical research steps that teams often overlook, which can radically alter design outcomes. He explores the evolution of personas versus knowledge profiles, advocating for a deeper understanding of user behavior. Practical advice and methodologies are provided to align UX strategies with user needs and cognitive science principles.

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Jun 30, 2025 • 26min
The Why Behind Sample Size: How Many People Do You Really Need to Test With?
How many participants do you really need for valid research? This discussion uncovers the often misunderstood world of sample sizes in user testing. From debunking the myth of testing just five users to understanding the power of participant numbers on design outcomes, insights abound. The psychological implications of too few versus just enough participants are explored, alongside methods to determine the optimal sample size based on your research goals. Gain clarity and confidence in your approach to user testing!

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Jun 23, 2025 • 1h 3min
How to Decode Conversation: A Paradigm Shift in Qualitative Insight and Human Understanding (with Indi Young)
In this episode of The Design Psychologist, we dive deep into the world of qualitative research and human-centered design with legendary UX thinker Indi Young. If you've ever felt like your user interviews only skim the surface—or if you've relied too heavily on personas—you might be missing the most powerful insights. Indi joins us to explore how deep, non-judgmental listening can revolutionize your understanding of users and, ultimately, your design outcomes. Together, we tackle questions like:What is deep listening, and why is it essential in design research? Why do traditional interviews often fail to uncover what truly drives user behavior? What are thinking styles, and how are they more effective than personas? How can designers move from interpreting behavior to understanding internal reasoning? By the end of this episode, you’ll see user research—and your role as a designer—through a completely new lens. You'll be equipped to listen more deeply, think more critically, and create more human-centered solutions.thedesignpsychologist.substack.com is the podcast newsletter. Get episode summaries right in your inbox so you can easily reference, save, and apply what you learn.

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Jun 16, 2025 • 12min
Why It Feels Right: Affordance and the Mind’s Hidden Expectations
Ever wonder why some products feel natural while others leave you puzzled? This discussion dives into the psychology of affordances—subtle cues that guide users intuitively. Discover how design elements can either enhance or confuse user experience. Learn about Don Norman's concepts of affordances, signifiers, and anti-affordances. Real-world examples illustrate the power of creating intuitive designs that align with human expectations, equipping you with insights to design products that feel just right.


