

The Sport of Life: Chats w/ Comedians, Filmmakers, Sports Figures, Musicians, & Intellectuals
Trey Elling
Trey Elling chats with comedians, filmmakers, sports figures, musicians, and authors about their stories.
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Apr 14, 2023 • 25min
#324 - Sharing Ideas with Bryan Callen
Standup comedian, podcaster, and actor Bryan Callen chats with Trey Elling, ahead of his participation in Minds Fest at Vulcan Gas Company on Saturday, April 15th. Topics include:
An explanation of Minds Fest (1:36)
The importance of having hard conversations (3:04)
A concerning potential relevance of certain conspiracies (7:03)
Questioning the nefariousness of covid policies (8:36)
Stylebender’s knockout win in the UFC over the weekend (12:19)
The last time Bryan got knocked out (14:39)
Bryan’s initial dream in entertainment (16:26)
The value of pursuing dreams (19:41)
Checking out Joe Rogan’s Comedy Mothership (23:20)

Apr 13, 2023 • 19min
#323 - Jeremy Piven & Cary Elwes on SWEETWATER
Actors Jeremy Piven and Cary Elwes chat with Trey Elling about SWEETWATER. The film tells the story of Nat "Sweetwater" Clifton, aka the Jackie Robinson of the NBA, and is out in theaters on April 14th.
Jeremy Piven (1:31)
Cary Elwes (10:36)

Apr 11, 2023 • 43min
#322 - Paterson Joseph on THE SECRET DIARIES OF CHARLES IGNATIUS SANCHO
Actor, writer, and storyteller Paterson Joseph chats with Trey Elling about THE SECRET DIARIES OF CHARLES IGNATIUS SANCHO: A NOVEL. Sancho is an important figure in British history, who on top of being an 18th century abolitionist, writer, and composer, he was also the first British African to vote in Great Britain. Topics include:
A brief introduction of Charles Ignatius Sancho (0:46)
What Paterson most connects with about Sancho’s story (4:34)
How Sancho’s actual writings influenced Paterson’s novelization of his life (8:54)
Writing of Sancho dealing death through his own grief experiences (13:52)
How much Paterson enjoyed writing his first book and what he enjoyed about the process (18:37)
The key to a good story (23:14)
Paterson’s performance on HBO’s The Leftovers (27:45)
The cringeworthy joys of Peep Show (34:33)

Apr 8, 2023 • 25min
#321 - Pat Kondelis on CATCHING LIGHTNING
Emmy-winning filmmaker Pat Kondelis chats with Trey Elling about CATCHING LIGHTNING. The new four-part documentary series on Showtime, directed by Kondelis, details the life of "Lightning" Lee Murray, a British MMA fighter with superstar potential, whose career and freedom came to an end abrupt after he was discovered to have pulled off the largest cash heist in British history. Topics include:
Why he wanted to tell this story (1:24)
Who Lee Murray is (2:42)
What it took to get Lee’s wife on the record for the first time (4:28)
The unique circumstances of Lee getting caught and punished (6:38)
Whether he tried to speak with Lee in Moroccan prison (7:19)
The one question he would ask Lee (8:37)
The legendary story involving Lee & Tito Ortiz in a London street brawl (10:57)
How he’s so good at re-create stories being told (12:59)
How would’ve won a fight in 2004 between Tito Ortiz and Lee Murray (14:32)
The most surprising element of Lee Murray’s story (16:12)
Why he’s serving his punishment in Morocco and not England (18:07)
Whether this series could help get his sentence overturned (19:12)
The nature vs nurture element of Lee’s mistakes (22:01)

Apr 6, 2023 • 26min
#320 - Affleck, Damon, Viola Davis, Bateman, & more on AIR
The main cast of AIR, chats with Trey Elling, ahead of its world premiere at @SXSW . The film tells the story of how Nike and a young Michael Jordan came together for a shoe deal, whose long term effects completely altered the social fabric of basketball, shoe culture, and life. Interview subjects include:
Writer Alex Convery (2:10)
Chris Messina (6:06)
Chris Tucker (8:40)
Jason Bateman (12:07)
Viola Davis & Julius Tennon (14:55)
Matt Damon (17:56)
Ben Affleck (22:37)

Mar 30, 2023 • 56min
#319 - Eduardo J. Gómez on JUNK FOOD POLITICS
Associate Professor and Director of the Institute for Health Policy and Politics at Lehigh University Eduardo J. Gómez chats with Trey Elling about JUNK FOOD POLITICS: HOW BEVERAGE AND FAST FOOD INDUSTRIES ARE RESHAPING EMERGING ECONOMIES. Topics include:
The book's inspiration (0:52)
Why he focused on Mexico, Brazil, India, Indonesia, China, and South Africa (4:10)
What he means by 'junk food industry' (5:15)
How junk food politics is a two-way street (6:21)
How the junk food industry is operating on its own fear (7:22)
NAFTA's influence on the rise of junk food consumption in Mexico (10:33)
Why these countries' presidents allow junk food to sway public health policy (12:19)
Whether Mexico's soda & junk food tax has helped (16:09)
Coca Cola exploiting feminism in India (18:18)
Why junk food consumption exploded in Brazil in the mid-1990s (19:49)
Junk food's influence on Brazil's Zero Fome public health campaign (23:11)
The role of India's agricultural sector and food production in its junk food problems (25:59)
India's history of malnourishment harming parents' perception of what makes for a healthy kid (27:33)
India's attempts to limit junk food around schools (29:55)
Coca Cola's roller coaster historical relationship with China (33:11)
Snacking as a reflection of China's unique history (35:20)
Big Junk Food's blatant marketing to kids in China (36:36)
Coca Cola embedding itself into China's academic community (38:40)
Nelson Mandela's initial hostility toward Coca Cola in the early 1990s (39:49)
Indonesia unique relationship with junk foods& beverages (44:06)
The Indonesian government's revolving door problem (46:29)
A country that does a good job combatting junk food politics for the good of public health (47:22)
Whether Eduardo is optimistic or pessimistic about the future (52:12)

Mar 21, 2023 • 12min
#318 - Bob Odenkirk & Mireille Enos on LUCKY HANK
Bob Odenkirk & Mireille Enos chat with Trey Elling on the red carpet at SXSW 2023, ahead of the premiere of their new AMC series, LUCKY HANK. Plus, a surprise interview with Mireille's husband, actor Alan Ruck!
Mireille Enos (1:54)
Alan Ruck (5:09)
Bob Odenkirk (7:55)

Mar 16, 2023 • 1h 27min
#317 - Dan Lyons on STFU
Dan Lyons, NY Times-bestselling author, discusses his book STFU: THE POWER OF KEEPING YOUR MOUTH SHUT IN AN ENDLESSLY NOISY WORLD. Topics include talkaholism, impact on anxiety, shutting off technology, social media, health, work, parenting, love, emailing, leading by STFU, and the difficulty of listening.

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Mar 8, 2023 • 59min
#316 - Bruce Schneier on A HACKER'S MIND
Renowned security technologist and New York Times bestselling author Bruce Schneier chats with Trey Elling about A HACKER'S MIND: HOW THE POWERFUL BEND SOCIETY'S RULES, AND HOW TO BEND THEM BACK. Topics include:
A definition of hacking (1:03)
The “Double Irish with a Dutch Sandwich” tax hack (2:30)
Defending against ‘bad’ hacks (3:34)
Why kids are such natural hackers (9:06)
Hacking the airlines (12:05)
Hacking sports (18:09)
Hacking heaven in the 1500s (24:51)
A simple computer financial exchange hack (26:47)
Luxury real estate as a money-laundering hack for the super-rich (28:05)
‘Too big to fail’ as a hack (29:29)
Venture Capital funding as a hack (34:36)
How Uber hacks the system (37:09)
How elected officials hack lawmaking (39:20)
Why US elections are so expensive (42:39)
Antitrust laws as a solutions to social media companies hacking cognitive systems (49:20)
Solving the political bot problems (52:22)
How AI will take hacking to a completely different level (54:55)

Mar 2, 2023 • 50min
#315 - Dr. Chadi Nabhan on TOXIC EXPOSURE
Oncology and hematology expert Chadi Nabhan, MD, chats with Trey Elling about TOXIC EXPOSURE: THE TRUE STORY BEHIND THE MONSANTO TRIALS AND THE SEARCH FOR JUSTICE. Dr. Nabhan served as the expert witness on Non Hodgkin Lymphoma for plaintiffs in the first three cases against Monsanto and glyphosate, the primary ingredient in their Roundup herbicide. Topics include:
How Chadi’s medical training took focus on oncology and hematology (1:12)
Explaining Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma (4:23)
What made him want testify as an expert witness against Monsanto (5:59)
The shadiness behind glyphosate’s initial approval in 1974 (9:58)
The EPA’s role in glyphosate not being labeled a carcinogen (13:47)
Chad’s first deposition (17:55)
Initially meeting the first plaintiff, Lee Johnson (20:14)
Swedish research linking glyphosate and cancer (21:45)
The Who’s 2015 report that shed light on glyphosate (24:48)
Taking the stand in Lee John’s case against Monsanto (28:29)
Learning of the guilty verdicts against Monsanto (33:54)
Chad’s thoughts on the second and third trials (35:58)
Why glyphosate is still allowed commercially, even though it’s no longer sold residentially in the US (37:38)
Chad’s podcast, “Healthcare Unfiltered” (41:53)
Ideas to help the broken US healthcare system (43:59)