
The Evolving Leader
The Evolving Leader Podcast is a show set in the context of the world’s ‘great transition’ – technological, environmental and societal upheaval – that requires deeper, more committed leadership to confront the world’s biggest challenges. Hosts, Jean Gomes (a New York Times best selling author) and Scott Allender (an award winning leadership development specialist working in the creative industries) approach complex topics with an urgency that matches the speed of change. This show will give insights about how today’s leaders can grow their capacity for leading tomorrow’s rapidly evolving world. With accomplished guests from business, neuroscience, psychology, and more, the Evolving Leader Podcast is a call to action for deep personal reflection, and conscious evolution. The world is evolving, are you?A little more about the hosts:New York Times best selling author, Jean Gomes, has more than 30 years experience working with leaders and their teams to help them face their organisation’s most challenging issues. His clients span industries and include Google, BMW, Toyota, eBay, Coca-Cola, Microsoft, Warner Music, Sony Electronics, Alexander McQueen, Stella McCartney, the UK Olympic system and many others.Award winning leadership development specialist, Scott Allender has over 20 years experience working with leaders across various businesses, including his current role heading up global leadership development at Warner Music. An expert practitioner in emotional intelligence and psychometric tools, Scott has worked to help teams around the world develop radical self-awareness and build high performing cultures.The Evolving Leader podcast is produced by Phil Kerby at Outside © 2024The Evolving Leader music is a Ron Robinson composition, © 2022
Latest episodes

Jan 25, 2023 • 50min
Challenging the Assumptions of Innovation with William Kilmer
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes are joined by entrepreneur, venture capital investor and author William Kilmer. A product and innovation strategist at heart, William has spent his career working with hundreds of companies as a start-up leader, coach, investor and board member. He has been founder and CEO of several cybersecurity and data analytics companies, formed a wireless operator in the UK, and has served on the board of over twenty five technology companies and other organizations. He was previously the managing director of Intel Capital, a corporate venture capital fund where he managed worldwide investments and formed a targeted venture fund to invest in the Middle East and North Africa. Transformative: Build a Game Changing Strategy, Retool Your Organisation and Innovate to Win 0.00 Introduction3.10 Can you tell us a little about how you got to where you are today?4.28 What attracted you into working in technology and leadership?5.18 Can we talk about innovation and the challenge that it poses for many organisations? 7.37 Some organisations may sometimes lose perspective on why they are innovating. Why might that be?9.53 In many organisations, innovation sits on the periphery rather than being central to the core business. Is that what you’re seeing?12.09 What’s the difference between innovation and transformation?16.50 If you were sitting with a CEO who wasn’t successfully transforming their organisation, what high level advice would you give to that individual?22.59 Can you tell us about the ‘confidence bubble’?27.57 Why do you think primary business model innovation isn’t happening at the same level as the technological innovation?31.03 When was the last time you witnessed a pitch where you thought, ‘yeah that idea could really be transformative’?33.33 Are there any currently under represented emerging technologies that you think might come to the fore in the future?37.42 How have you evolved as a leader?42.17 What mindset shift is required for an individual who is prone to defending ideas as opposed to challenging them?43.34 If we fast forward three years, what are the things that we should be looking at in terms of combining new technologies and business models in order to solve some of the big challenges facing organisations?47.08 Is there anything else that we should ask you? Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderYoutube Evolving Leader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Jan 11, 2023 • 59min
Disruptive Thinking with Emma Sinclair and Emily Clements
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, Jean and Scott hand the mic to Emma Sinclair who talks to cognitive neuroscientist Emily Clements. As part of her PhD at Kings College, London Emily is currently leading one of the world’s first studies into the neuroscience of entrepreneurship. She aims to uncover what might be different within entrepreneur’s brains and how we might develop our mindsets to become more entrepreneurial?Sit back and listen to this fascinating conversation during which Emma and Emily explore a key foundation for tomorrow’s leaders, building mindsets to navigate uncertainty and improve their capacity for disruptive thinking. 0.00 Introduction2.47 Emily, could you please begin by introducing yourself and what you are currently working on?5.53 What is disruptive thinking?8.00 What brain mechanisms are coming in to play when we go against the grain? 8.35 Could you give us a quick summary of what you mean when you refer to brain networks? 11.26 So are we focussing in on networks when we refer to disruptive thinking?12.58 How often are we using our multiple demand network?14.31 What would you define as being a hard task?17.08 What’s the flipside to this?20.05 I’d love to understand more about self-referential thought. 24.20 If you were in deep meditation, which network are you operating in?26.14 What have these brain networks got to do with disruptive thinking, why are they important?29.30 Is it true to say that highly creative individuals are actually changing how their brain is operating? Is it possible to make your brain more creative? 32.02 How can we consciously build a mindset that enables us to be more creative?39.52 How can we all be more disruptive?44.49 How important is environment for us to recognise that we might be in the wrong state to address a particular problem solving task?49.43 We’ve talked about the constant demand on people. Is this current demand for our attention meaning that it’s harder to stay in either mode?54.09 What can leaders take away from this? Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderYoutube Evolving Leader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Jan 4, 2023 • 53min
The Expectation Effect with David Robson
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to award winning science writer David Robson. David has previously worked as a features editor at New Scientist and as a senior journalist at the BBC as well as writing countless articles for The Guardian, the Psychologist and many others. Sit back and listen as our co-hosts explore David’s life and workThe Expectation Effect: How Your Mindset Can Transform Your LifeThe Intelligence Trap: Revolutionise your Thinking and Make Wiser Decisions0.00 Introduction2.51 What gets you excited about your work? 3.51 Your work spans many different scientific disciplines including neuroscience and psychology. How do you bring those two things together to understand how human beings operate?5.04 Can you give us the pitch to your first book, The Intelligence Trap?7.18 You have said that intelligent people are more susceptible to fake news and conspiracy theories. Can you elaborate on that? 12.55 Is this problem getting worse?14.31 Can we dig into a few of the mechanisms that are at work, such as over claiming and earnt dogmatism?17.38 How do you build cognitive inoculation?21.10 You’ve written that unconscious bias training may not be as straightforward and you present a more nuanced view about it. Could you talk to us a little about this?23.56 Your second book is titled The Expectation Effect. Can you tell us what the expectation effect is and is not?26.19 You have written how it’s possible to create different levels of change in your body for a long period of time that creates general conditions for good things to happen. Your research into the effect of the placebo is probably the most significant in this regard. Can you tell us a little more about that? 30.01 You also talk about the opposite which is the nocebo. Tell us about this.33.40 The research by Alia Crum on fitness and eating is exciting in terms of giving us practical potential solutions for rethinking our mindset around these things. 39.03 You list some practical things that the reader can do to harness the expectation effect. Could you give us some examples of things that our listeners could start doing right now?42.35 There are some potent takeaways around the expectation effect and its influence on longevity. Could you talk us through what you’ve learnt there?46.45 What else should we be asking you?51.29 What are you working on now? Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderYoutube Evolving Leader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Dec 14, 2022 • 1h 3min
Leading In A Non-Linear World with Jean Gomes
In this special 100th episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Emma Sinclair talk to one of our usual co-hosts on the podcast, Jean Gomes. As many listeners will know, Jean is a leadership expert, trusted advisor to CEOs and senior leaders, and New York Times bestselling author. During this conversation, Jean talks about his new book ‘Leading in a Non-Linear World, Building Wellbeing, Strategic, and Innovation Mindsets for the Future’. Leading in a Non-Linear World 0.00 Introduction2.48 Why did you write ‘Leading In A Non-Linear World’? 6.16 Why is this important now?8.54 We often hear that we should simplify things, but you’re saying that we should meet complexity with complexity. Can you tell us more about that?11.10 Can you give us some examples of the kinds of mindsets that you’re talking about building?14.48 When writing about mindset, you refer to the interplay between feeling, thinking and seeing grounded in own self-awareness. This feels like something that is accessible to everyone. How did that idea start to form for you?22.18 When we talk about self-awareness or mindset, nobody thinks that they’re not self-aware. Is it easier for some people to be more connected to what’s going on in their body and mind, and for those people who find it harder, how can they start to build these skills? 29.34 Can you tell us about your sixteen months of experimentation? What did you actually do during that time?35.20 Understanding and knowing how to manage our internal physical resources is something that is often bypassed by leaders. How could you encourage them to make a shift in how they approach their wellbeing? 40.11 Now that we’ve done a deep dive into the body, could you delve deeper into the emotional centre?46.14 You refer to negative uncomfortable emotions, and how some people may externalise that rather than getting curious about why they might be feeling this way. How could they get practically curious while in the middle of a very uncomfortable feeling?52.36 So the idea of feelings and emotions as a means of accessing mindset may be route that a lot of people may not have thought about before. How have you taken that and built it into this interconnection between thinking and seeing as well? How do they all interact together in your definition?57.04 What mindsets can we build for our future? Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderYoutube Evolving Leader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Nov 30, 2022 • 1h 1min
Joined Up Thinking with Hannah Critchlow
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes are joined by neuroscientist Dr Hannah Critchlow. Hannah is best known for demystifying the human brain on regular radio, TV and festival platforms as well as through her three books, the most recent being “Joined-Up Thinking, The Science of Collective Intelligence” (Hodder & Stoughton, August 2022). In 2014, Hannah was recognised as a 'Top 100 UK scientist' by the Science Council and one of Cambridge University's most ‘inspirational and successful women in science’. In 2019 Hannah was named by Nature as one of Cambridge University's 'Rising Stars in Life Sciences'. Joined-Up Thinking, The Science of Collective Intelligence 0.00 Introduction3.29 Tell us about your background and what led you into neuroscience and your passion for public engagement?9.01 Tell us about collective intelligence.12.07 Can we explore the research that you share in your book around collective intelligence and particularly how amongst neurodiverse groups this leads to more creative thought?19.09 You talk about the genetic predisposition, was there any research around epigenetic’s role in this predisposition?36.02 You talk about synchronisation of brainwaves amongst groups helping with collective intelligence and the importance of their emotional state in this regard. Can you tell us a little more about that?41.56 You talk about listening in fostering collective intelligence and you suggest a game that families can play to get better at it. Can you tell us about that?45.17 You’ve also written about sitting in silence at the start of a meeting. 46.30 There is a lot of pressure and uncertainty facing teams, and you talk about the need to cultivate curiosity rather than fear in that environment. What advice do you have to help us achieve that?49.13 What have you come to understand about interoception in the context of social intelligence?53.29 How do you envisage our collective intelligence developing over time with advances in technology?58.32 What’s next for you in the coming year? Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderYoutube Evolving Leader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Nov 16, 2022 • 58min
What the Poet’s Mind Can Teach Leaders with Pelé Cox
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to poet Pelé Cox. Formerly the poet in residence at Tate Modern, the Royal Academy, Keats-Shelley House and British School at Rome, Pelé now takes her art into companies such as PwC, Nielsen and a variety of hedge funds tutoring leaders and employees in creative innovation. ‘Lift Me Up I Am Dying’ (Pele Cox, 2021) https://youtu.be/NFQjKWiOYn8‘Chelsea Barracks Frieze’ https://pelecox.com/ 0.00 Introduction0.54 POEM: Spectacle (Pele Cox)3.53 Can you give us the edited highlights of your journey as an artist?4.50 Was there a moment when you thought ‘I want to be a poet’?5.39 Who are some of your favourite poets?7.05 What is your creative process?12.09 POEM: Afterwards (Pele Cox)13.59 It’s not obvious to most people that poetry can be used in so many different ways. How did you get to that? 15.59 What happens when you take your experience in to the hedge fund audience? 18.23 When you are working with a leader, what does that process look like?21.42 Help us understand how we can best appreciate this art form?31.58 POEM: Snake (D.H.Lawrence)39.10 Can you talk to us about your relationship with your emotions and how that’s changed as you have developed?43.39 Can the utterance of a poet have any more relevance than the extraordinary impact of social media?46.31 POEM: Death and the politicians (Ian Crichton-Smith)47.30 Can we turn to some of your more recent work particularly some of the things that you’ve done during lockdown including the film ‘Life Me Up I am Dying’ with Damian Lewis?52.45 Can we talk about Frieze as well?56.23 POEM: Swelling (Pele Cox)57.14 How might someone get in touch with you? Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderYoutube Evolving Leader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production. Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Nov 2, 2022 • 53min
How Can the Fool Help You Become a Better Leader? with Paul Glover
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to the no B S coach Paul Glover. Paul is a former attorney who went on to serve time having been found guilty of white collar crimes. He describes himself as a “recovering” trial lawyer, an unabashed Starbucks addict, and the author of Workquake™, a book dedicated to those in the work environment seeking to not only survive, but also to thrive in the Knowledge Economy. 0.00 Introduction3.36 Can you tell us about the concept of having a fool in your life?6.26 What’s the contract that you’re striking when you invite someone in who might not be open to feedback that you might be getting?10.44 Tell us more about your story. As you were coming out of prison, how did the role of the fool change you?19.08 What did you find hardest to accept in yourself when receiving feedback from your wife and your friends when they were allowed to see you? 30.26 When coaching, how do people feel about you and feel about themselves in your presence?34.00 You talk about daily windows of opportunity. What are they and how do you find them? 38.02 In 2012, you wrote ‘Work Quake. How organisations can successfully make the seismic shift to the knowledge economy’. I’m curious to hear what you’ve been observing in the last 10 years since you published that book.41.11 Based on the coaching conversations that you have had over the last 2 years, what do you think is going to happen as a result of Covid and the lessons that leaders have gained from that experience?46.07 You talked earlier about your daily gratitude practice. What are you feeling most grateful for today? Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderYoutube Evolving Leader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Oct 19, 2022 • 59min
What Leaders Must Know About the Written Word with Rob Ashton
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to author, entrepreneur and former scientist Rob Ashton. Rob’s work encompasses cognitive and social neuroscience, cognitive and social psychology and behavioural and neuroeconomics, giving him a unique perspective on why so much of our written communication simply doesn’t work. 0.00 Introduction4.32 Given your background as a scientist, how did you become fascinated in how we communicate?9.51 Why is it that so much of our written communication doesn’t work?18.26 What are some of the things that we can do to overcome those limitations?24.36 If somebody wants or needs to communicate (perhaps with a large group) quickly, how can they reduce the chance that their message may be misinterpreted by individuals who receive the message?30.34 What’s the easiest way of getting people to open their minds to what they are about to read?36.45 if we switch to the reader or recipient of emails and texts, what can we do to avoid misunderstanding the written word?42.30 When you think about writing, how do you get into a more empathetic headspace?48.02 When we write something and then read it back we may sometimes find flaws in how our writing could be interpreted. From a neurological perspective, how do those different processes work? 53.50 Do younger generations read and write differently?56.20 How can our listeners get in touch with you? Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderYoutube Evolving Leader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Oct 5, 2022 • 50min
Creating Psychological Safety with Stephan Wiedner
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to psychological safety expert Stephan Wiedner. Stephan’s work focusses on developing sustainable high performance leaders, teams and organisations. He is cofounder of Noomii.com, Skillsetter.com and most recently Zarango.com with a published mission to ‘unleash the collective potential of people with the power of psychological safety’.Here's a link to the free Psychological Safety Assessment mentioned by Stephan during this episode: https://zarango.com/freepsi/0.00 Introduction04.08 Can you give us a working definition of Psychological Safety?05.08 In our experience, when leaders first encounter that, some may feel that making people feel ok isn’t always ok because there can be consequences. What’s your take on that?06.34 So in your experience, what happens when leaders make the mistake of being incredibly nice but don’t hold teams to account to deliver?07.16 Why psychological safety for you? What got you into this topic?09.03 What is your assessment process?10.30 So happens in those situations typically?12.18 What does psychological safety deliver in terms of performance?14.37 Amy Edmondson talks about creating the conditions so we’re able to have those conversations without the fear, so the desire outweighs the risk. Can we talk about the feeling of vulnerability that’s necessary in order to be able to do that?17.51 How do you raise an honest level of awareness in the leader who is well intentioned but may be just not getting it right?18.52 Can you tell us what the origins of ‘deliberate practice’ are and how it’s been applied in different fields?21.59 Let’s talk about conflict. How do leaders with high safety and accountability teams tend to mitigate conflict or even encourage healthy conflict when appropriate?24.24 How do you start to get leaders to recognise their part in perpetuating a culture where these things can’t really be aired?27.55 What kind of things do you see when psychological safety starts to take root in an organisation?29.38 What is the importance of safety combined with accountability in terms of unleashing exponential creativity?33.33 How do you see psychological safety playing out across different generations?38.07 Where do you think this field is going and what’s next in your work?43.10 In your analysis, do you see any trends in terms of things that are changing in people’s reactions to different types of situations? Are some situations becoming more or less problematic, how are we evolving?46.08 What deliberate practices are you engaging with at the moment?48.15 How can our audience get in touch with you?Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderYoutube Evolving Leader The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Sep 21, 2022 • 54min
Conscious Capitalism with Anna Anderson
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to social entrepreneur Anna Anderson. Anna is the founder and CEO of Kindred, an independent members club in West London, and Cellar at Kindred, a public café, counter and bar; dedicated to bringing the ethos, spirit and values found in the members club to the wider community. 0.00 Introduction4.12 Can you give us your perspective on the power of business to achieve social change?6.35 You have a background as a social worker, working in child protection, domestic violence, children in gangs and more. How did this inform your concept of community and the role that business can and should play in the world?10.57 Tell us a little about Kindred and how does it work?14.00 You started two years pre pandemic. How did Covid impact the business model?16.05 A lot of people might have walked away. Where does your passion come from?18.55 Staying with the challenge of balancing the economics and the purpose. Tell me what you’ve learnt about the shared values that you have to create between your team, your audience, the community. What are the shared values that hold this together for you?23.13 Regardless of Covid, what value is most likely to be compromised when trying to pursue your commercial viability and sustainability? 25.37 How do you make people aware of your community?28.23 Do you have a vision for scaling beyond West London?30.51 What lessons have you been learning about yourself as a leader?34.19 How do you see how you create, capture and deliver value in your business model tying in to the problem you’re solving?39.17 What’s a word you might have for a listener who is nowhere near West London but is really compelled by what you’re saying and is acknowledging to themselves the idea of loneliness while they have no suitable space near them. What might they do?45.36 Your point about how somebody can be in a great relationship and have great colleagues but can still feel lonely. You gave some diagnostic questions, but is there anything else that would help people to come to terms with what they’re feeling?49.54 Is there anything else that we should be talking about or any messages that you would like to give to our audience? Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderYoutube Evolving LeaderThe Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team
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