
The Evolving Leader
The Evolving Leader Podcast is a show set in the context of the world’s ‘great transition’ – technological, environmental and societal upheaval – that requires deeper, more committed leadership to confront the world’s biggest challenges. Hosts, Jean Gomes (a New York Times best selling author) and Scott Allender (an award winning leadership development specialist working in the creative industries) approach complex topics with an urgency that matches the speed of change. This show will give insights about how today’s leaders can grow their capacity for leading tomorrow’s rapidly evolving world. With accomplished guests from business, neuroscience, psychology, and more, the Evolving Leader Podcast is a call to action for deep personal reflection, and conscious evolution. The world is evolving, are you?A little more about the hosts:New York Times best selling author, Jean Gomes, has more than 30 years experience working with leaders and their teams to help them face their organisation’s most challenging issues. His clients span industries and include Google, BMW, Toyota, eBay, Coca-Cola, Microsoft, Warner Music, Sony Electronics, Alexander McQueen, Stella McCartney, the UK Olympic system and many others.Award winning leadership development specialist, Scott Allender has over 20 years experience working with leaders across various businesses, including his current role heading up global leadership development at Warner Music. An expert practitioner in emotional intelligence and psychometric tools, Scott has worked to help teams around the world develop radical self-awareness and build high performing cultures.The Evolving Leader podcast is produced by Phil Kerby at Outside © 2024The Evolving Leader music is a Ron Robinson composition, © 2022
Latest episodes

Sep 29, 2021 • 53min
The Hidden Joy of Untranslatable Words with Tim Lomas
In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Dr Tim Lomas. Tim is one of the world’s leading researchers in positive psychology. He has published numerous papers on meditation, Buddhism and masculinity and has written several books including his most recent publication ‘Happiness - Found in Translation. A Glossary of Joy from Around the World’. In 2018 he delivered a TEDx talk where he introduced his current project, creating a crowd sourced lexicography of untranslatable words relating to wellbeing. Visit The Positive Lexicography2.12 How did you become interested in cross cultural perspectives on wellbeing.6.43 Defining positive psychology.13.04 What inspired you to start creating the positive lexicography of untranslatable words, and what is this work revealing? 19.40 Exploring how so many of the words within the lexicography are not one emotion, but are more often a mixture of competing emotions.26.45 Some of Tim’s favourite words that have helped him become more connected and aware of his emotional experience.31.31 Exploring the lexicography, old friends or mysterious strangers.34.26 How much do you think we encourage people to ask themselves how they are actually feeling?39.24 In your research, have you noticed how some cultures have greater granularity in their language around emotions than others?44.45 Thinking about our discussion today, what is the call to action for a leader? 46.24 What’s next for you? The Global Wellbeing Initiative. Getting back in front of the mic. Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderThe Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Sep 22, 2021 • 59min
The Next 15 Years with Kevin Kelly
In this episode our guest is Senior Maverick at Wired Magazine, Kevin Kelly. Kevin co-founded Wired in 1993 and served as its executive editor until 1999. He is also editor and publisher of the Cool Tools website and is the former editor/publisher of the Whole Earth Review. Kevin Kelly has written several bestselling books including ‘New Rules for the New Economy’, ‘What Technology Wants’ and his most recent book ‘The Inevitable’.1’07 - What’s on your mind right now?4’24 – 24 years ago when you wrote ‘New Rules for the New Economy’, you had a very clear idea as to how the digital revolution would unfold. How do you think the development of technology has played out since then? 8’53 – You have an incredible track record when it comes to predicting how technology is going to play out. What’s your process?13’56 – What does social media want, and how is it evolving?19’37 – Since writing ‘The 12 technological forces shaping our future’ a decade ago, how have those 12 forces evolved?22’53 – What do you think the biggest challenges are for the leaders who are driving the world’s largest companies (such as Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, Tencent, Alibaba etc), and if you could be a mentor to those individuals, what would you say to them?28’51 – Can you tell us why you set up the ‘Long Now Foundation’ which promotes slower, better thinking and what impact do you think it’s had in the last 25 years?34’06 – Which things are you most excited about when it comes to solving the biggest problems such as climate, education, health etc.40’28 – How has Covid impacted your work? Did the pandemic spark something new in you?43’24 – What advice would you give to young people today?46’20 – If you were going to take a single central idea that you would be proud for future generations to take from your thinking, what would it be?49.57 – What’s next on your horizon?56’43 – You advised Steven Spielberg on Minority Report. What do you think 2050 is going to look like? Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderThe Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team

Sep 15, 2021 • 52min
Breakthrough Thinking from Rita McGrath
Welcome to Season 3 of the Evolving Leader podcast.In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are joined by innovation expert Rita McGrath. Rita is an author, professor of management at the Columbia Business School, keynote speaker, founder of the innovation platform ‘Valize’ and in September 2021 was shortlisted for the Thinkers50 Strategy Award. Reading recommendation:"Seeing around corners - How to spot inflection points in business before they happen" (Rita McGrath, 2021)THIS EPISODE:2.18 Rita’s background and career to date.4.36 Eliminating ‘innovation theatre’.7.54 Discovery driven growth, and Rita’s ‘flops file’.11.53 How Rita’s ‘Discovery Driven Planning’ HBR article influenced Eric Ries and the Lean Start-up.14.27 The ‘Barebones Net Present Value’ tool can help to project the entire lifecycle value of a potential project.15.57 Insights regarding how we need to think differently about competitive advantage and where that approach has been adopted successfully.25.01 One of the most important superpowers for leaders. ‘Seeing around corners – how to spot inflection points in business before they happen’ (Rita McGrath, 2021). Rita elaborates.29.25 The process of assumption busting.31.52 People are one of the only remaining sources of long term competitive advantage.34.53 The pitfalls that Rita sees when working as an advisor in businesses around the world37.56 Rita’s next area of research.39.38 Experiences from living and working through Covid. Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_LeaderSend a message to The Evolving Leader team

Sep 8, 2021 • 8min
What’s the last question that stopped you in your tracks? - THE EVOLVING LEADER VULNERABILITY SESSIONS
Welcome back to part two of our exploration into the Evolving Leader vulnerability interview archive. If you’ve not listened to part one, then you could well be wondering what these two vulnerability episodes are all about. Where time permits, after we’ve finished recording an episode with our fabulous guests we also record them answering a series of rapid fire questions. We refer to this as the Evolving Leader Vulnerability Interview. You’ll hear that it’s pretty light hearted, but beyond that we also recognise the importance of normalising vulnerability in the leadership space because it contributes to environments of trust and psychological safety.We’re so grateful that so many of our esteemed guests are willing to answer these questions. Thank you (again) to each and every one of you.In this second part, you’ll hear personal insights from neurologist Robert A Burton, futurist Scott Smith, innovation expert and author Elvin Turner, Global head of DEI and computer scientist Sheree Atcheson, Enneagram champion Ian Morgan Cron, Wimbledon CEO Sally Bolton, Vollebak CEO and Co-founder Steve Tidball, entrepreneur Ilham Said, occupational and forensic psychiatrist Neil Greenberg, Olympian Cath Bishop, Pfizer UK MD Ben Osborn, strategic growth advisor Don Schmincke, artist and cultural geographer Holly Murchison, photographer, entrepreneur and one time most influential person on the internet Jeremy Cowart and business speaker, thinker and author of Funky Business Jonas Ridderstråle.Next week sees a return for co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender as they open Season 3 in conversation with strategy, innovation and entrepreneurship titan Rita McGrath. 01:18 Full vulnerability interview with Robert A BurtonWhat would you partner say is your least appealing feature?02:41 Scott Smith02:58 Elvin TurnerWhere are you most lazy in your life?03:40 Sheree Atcheson04:09 Ian Morgan CronWhat was the last question that stopped you in your tracks?04:33 Sally Bolton05:35 Steve Tidball06:09 Ilham Said06:30 Neil GreenbergAre you paid too much?07:07 Cath Bishop, Ben Osborn, Don Schmincke, Elvin Turner, Holly Murchison, Ian Morgan Cron, Jeremy Cowart, Jonas Ridderstråle, Neil Greenberg, Sally Bolton, Sheree Atcheson Social:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderSend a message to The Evolving Leader team

Sep 1, 2021 • 13min
What’s the biggest Lie You’ve Told at Work? - THE EVOLVING LEADER VULNERABILITY SESSIONS
Both this and the next episode of the Evolving Leader podcast are going to be a little different to our usual format. Where time permits, after we’ve finished recording an episode with our fabulous guests we also record them answering a series of rapid fire questions. We refer to this as the Evolving Leader Vulnerability Interview. You’ll hear that it’s pretty lighthearted, but beyond that we also recognise the importance of normalising vulnerability in the leadership space because it contributes to environments of trust and psychological safety. We’re so grateful that so many of our esteemed guests are willing to answer these questions. Thank you (again) to each and every one of you. In this first part, you’ll hear insights from neuroscientist Stuart Firestein, Vollebak CEO and Co-founder Steve Tidball, author, artist and cultural geographer Holly Murchison, Pfizer UK MD Ben Osborn, photographer, entrepreneur and one time most influential person on the internet Jeremy Cowart, Olympian, author and consultant Cath Bishop, economist, author and former head of Said Business School (and so much more) John Kay, entrepreneur Ilham Said, Wimbledon CEO Sally Bolton, occupational and forensic psychiatrist Neil Greenberg and former NASA astronaut and co-founder of B612 (saving planet Earth from asteroid impacts) Ed Lu.01'07 Full vulnerability interview with Stuart Firestein What was the biggest lie you’ve ever told at work?05'24 Steve Tidball06'27 Holly Murchison06'43 Ben Osborn07'11 Jeremy Cowart Where do you feel most vulnerable at work?08'05 Cath Bishop08'54 John Kay What’s the personal development topic you most avoid confronting?09'40 Ilham Said10'13 Ben Osborn Who would play you in the movie of your life?10'50 Sally Bolton11'43 Neil Greenberg12'06 Ed LuSocial:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderSend a message to The Evolving Leader team

Aug 25, 2021 • 38min
Highlights from season 2 with Jean Gomes and Scott Allender
In this episode of the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes share some of their highlights from season 2. It’s been an incredible season comprising 26 episodes where Jean and Scott have spoken to a fascinating array of guests. If you’ve been an Evolving Leader subscriber since the start of season 2, then we hope you enjoy revisiting some of our favourite moments. If you’ve discovered us more recently then hopefully these highlights will prompt you go back and listen to our earlier episodes too.0’44 – Unpredicting with Stuart Firestein1’57 - Can we stop talking about digital2’57 – Vollebak: why the world needs products from the future, now4’26 – Owning the world’s number 1 leadership challenge with Ben Osborn, Pfizer UK6’25 – What does 10x leadership look like? With Ed Lu, astronaut, entrepreneur and protector of planet Earth6’59 – How to future with Scott Smith8’27 – Rethinking winning with Cath Bishop10’53 – Wellbeing lessons from the edge with Professor Neil Greenberg13’43 – What is consciousness? with Mark Solms15’28 – Certainty is not a thought, it’s a feeling with Dr Robert A Burton16’41 - The science of seeing differently with Dr Beau Lotto17’33 – Future entrepreneurs with Ilham Said19’44 – Distinguishing risk and uncertainty with John Kay22’01 – Leading us to Mars: The SpaceX story with Eric Berger23’00 – 2041: The mission to save Antarctica with Robert Swan25’14 – Privilege: why leaders have to have a hard look at themselves with Sheree Atcherson28’03 - What Leaders Must Know About Emotional Conviction with Jonas Ridderstråle32’08 - Longevity, mankind’s next frontier with Sergey Young34’50 – The power of listening with Emma Sinclair Social:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderSend a message to The Evolving Leader team

Jul 28, 2021 • 52min
'What’s the Future of Our Data?' with Sam Gilbert
This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Sam Gilbert, expert in data-driven marketing, entrepreneur and researcher. Sam was employee number one and Chief Marketing Officer at Bought By Many, the multi-award winning fintech ranked No. 13 in The Sunday Times TechTrack100 and prior to that held the position of Head of Strategy and Development at Experian. Aged 39, Sam changed course and returned to university to rethink the role of data in our future. Sam is author of ‘Good Data: An Optimist’s Guide to Our Digital Future’ (Welbeck, 2021). Social:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderSend a message to The Evolving Leader team

Jul 21, 2021 • 45min
The Undisruptable Mindset with Aidan McCullen
This week on the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to transformation consultant, keynote speaker, author, host of the Innovation Show and retired internal rugby player Aidan McCullen about how he transformed himself from unpromising athlete into successful international rugby player, and then into a digital business leader and thought leader.Undisruptable: A Mindset of Permanent Reinvention for Individuals, Organisations and Life (Wiley, 2021)Social:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderSend a message to The Evolving Leader team

Jul 14, 2021 • 57min
Longevity, mankind’s next frontier with Sergey Young
If you could, would you want to live to 200?This week our co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to longevity investor, author and visionary Sergey Young whose lifelong mission is to ‘help people live long, healthy and happy lives’. Sergey Young is the founder of the $100M Longevity Vision fund and also innovation board member at the XPRIZE foundation. His book ‘The Science and Technology of Growing Young’ is published in August 2021 by BenBella Books. Social:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderSend a message to The Evolving Leader team

Jun 30, 2021 • 53min
What Leaders Must Know About Emotional Conviction with Jonas Ridderstråle
Sit back and listen as hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Jonas Ridderstråle, one of the world’s most exciting business thinkers, speaker and author. Hear his reflections on Covid and how leaders can avoid being paralyzed by data as things change – how to combine decisive action with emotional conviction. Social:Instagram @evolvingleaderLinkedIn The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter @Evolving_LeaderSend a message to The Evolving Leader team