The Evolving Leader

Jean Gomes and Scott Allender
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Nov 7, 2021 • 33min

Under the Hood Ep.1 - Rethinking Emotion

New for season 3, we’re excited to release this first Under the Hood episode. Our intention is that these monthly discussions (which we’ll release alongside our regular weekly Evolving Leader episodes) will allow co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender additional airtime to dive a little deeper into many of the fascinating topics that they have explored with our guests since launching the podcast way back in September 2020.During this episode, Jean and Scott focus on discussions that they enjoyed with guests from the fields of psychology and neuroscience and explore the emerging understanding of emotion and how that understanding can help leaders evolve.  Social: Instagram           @evolvingleader LinkedIn             The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter               @Evolving_LeaderThe Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team
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Nov 3, 2021 • 42min

Leanne Infante – Leading On and Off the Pitch

This week on the Evolving Leader, Jean talks to English rugby international Leanne Infante (née Riley) about what she’s learnt as a leader during her career both on and off the pitch. Leanne’s debut in the England squad was against South Africa in 2013 and she has since been central to England’s success including winning the Six Nations Grand Slam in 2019.0.00 Introduction0.41 How has the profile of women’s rugby developed during your career to date?3.47 Give us some background to your career and career highlights5.36 How has the game changed?9.08 Tell us a little bit about the mindset of dealing with the setbacks, refusals, and uncertainty that you have faced.12.33 How do you deal with the emotion (in the moment) that could be triggered when facing a setback? What’s your process for reframing those events?14.58 What’s the mental process that allows you to view an individual as an opponent on the club rugby pitch and then switch to that same person being an ally in the international squad?17.41 As scrum half, part of your role on the pitch is to co-ordinate the backs and the forwards. Talk a little bit about your role as a leader when co-ordinating those two elements within the team.20.40 In addition to your technical excellence on the pitch and your obvious high levels of fitness and resilience, you also display a real ability to sense what’s happening in the game and as a result you often adapt your role taking it beyond what could be described as the text book scrum half. Is this ability to lean into the detail one minute and then pull back and make sense of what’s going on a natural thing or have you developed that? 24.32 Who has inspired you from a leadership perspective?27.07 Both your profile and the profile of women’s rugby are growing and alongside that you have to deal with the ever-present social media that comments when things go well and also not so well. How does that play out in your life?30.37 What does the future hold for the sport of woman’s rugby and also what part would you like to play in that?34.15 Tell us about the challenges that you’re facing having recently moved from Saracens to the ambitious but potentially less high profile Bristol Bears.38.04 Let’s talk about 2022 and the world cup. What are you most looking forward to and what are going to be the biggest challenges?Social: Instagram           @evolvingleader LinkedIn             The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter               @Evolving_LeaderThe Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team
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Oct 27, 2021 • 52min

Steve Ingham - Pioneering Performance Scientist

Talking to Jean and Scott this week is Steve Ingham, one of the world’s most successful performance scientists. Steve has worked with over one thousand elite athletes, and over 200 of those (including Dame Jessica Ennis-Hill, Sir Steve Redgrave and Sir Matthew Pinsent) have gone on to achieve World or Olympic medal success.Steve is author of the bestselling book ‘How to Support a Champion: The art of applying science to the elite athlete’. 0’00 Introduction3.06 Background, career to date.7.27 Can you tell us how you turned around the fortune of the British Olympic rowing team in a period of just 18 months.14.08 What led you to focus on rest and renewal when working with those athletes?18.49 Talk a little about what you’ve had to do in the past when faced with a coach who might not appreciate the value that your renewal approach brings.22.37 Can you give us your thoughts around how the cumulative effect of making marginal gains over time can result in very significant advantages.29.29 Often your work involves a deep dive in to the human needs and motivations of people in an organisation, and this in turn challenges businesses to think differently about how they deliver personal and organisational performance. What does this look like in an organisational setting?34.07 When working with teams, your work will often include a focus on how members of the team engage with each other, as well as the importance of how you turn up, the trust, empathy and collective accountability. What impact has that had on you personally in terms of self-awareness and the way in which you have to think about setting your intent when working with others?40.51 What practical advice would you give to a leader around prioritising their own recovery?47.11 What are your thoughts about the future? What are we going to be hearing about in the area of performance development in the coming years?  Social: Instagram           @evolvingleader LinkedIn             The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter               @Evolving_LeaderThe Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team
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Oct 20, 2021 • 51min

Thinking differently with RJ Cordes

This week on the Evolving Leader, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to RJ Cordes. RJ is a research fellow at (American think tank) the Atlantic Council, and his research includes work around the fields of sensemaking and knowledge management. However, it feels like we may have just scratched the surface during our hour with polymath RJ Cordes - if you’d like a broader picture of RJ’s extensive research interests, you’ll find that on his personal website.  'Making sense of sensemaking' (Atlantic Council, 2020)0’00 Introduction2.36 Could you start by giving us some insight into your background, and also how you define sense making.10.15 Your recently published paper ‘Making sense of sense making’ is full of useful insights that extend beyond Covid. What compelled you to write that paper, and could you talk us through some of the central take-aways.20’04  Could you expand on what happens cognitively in your observation when people are no longer able to make sense of something.28’03 What advice would you give someone trying to navigate division and uncertainty?34’31 In a world where so many of us get information from highly curated feeds, what are the implications for leaders (thinking specifically about the future of work and knowledge transfer between teams)?40’50 Could you share some of your findings from your research into the relationship between government funding and innovation.42’42 In your opinion, what does the next decade hold in terms of the socio economic outlook? Social: Instagram           @evolvingleader LinkedIn             The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter               @Evolving_LeaderThe Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team
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Oct 13, 2021 • 53min

The Art of Insubordination with Todd Kashdan

This week, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are in conversation with Dr Todd Kashdan, one of the world’s leading experts in the psychology of well-being, curiosity, mental flexibility and social relationships. In addition to having written more than 200 published scientific articles, Todd has also written three books, the most recent being ‘The Art Of Insubordination: How to Dissent and Defy Effectively’ (Bantam), a book described as being ‘a research-based toolbox for anyone who wants to create a world with more justice, creativity, and courage.’ 0’00 Introduction3.41 You describe your personal mantra as being a life devoted to the scientific exploration of unchartered human behaviour and its practical application to improve lives. What was it that set you on that course?5.25 What are you trying to discover through your well-being lab?8.50  How can we take care of our own sense of psychological well-being when in a situation surrounded by social divisiveness?12.33 When you go into a situation where you have a strong belief that someone is wrong, how do you avoid going into that situation emotionally as non-curious? 16.40 Tell us the story of your children, the knife and the watermelon.20.43 Is there any advice that you can give in a practical way of adopting the mindset of curiosity?25.26 Tell us about your new book ‘The Art Of Insubordination’29.25 From your perspective, what role do emotions play in the certainty that people have around their beliefs? 33.24 While you are at the top of the intellectual ladder in terms of development, do you still find that there are areas where you are not allowed to talk, is political correctness dominating your environment?39.29 If we focus on identity’s role in certainty and the threat that people experience, from a psychological perspective is it people with a really strong identity that feel most threatened?43.25 What would you say are the top three things that leaders need to think about in terms of evolving their mindset, that you think would help them most? Social: Instagram           @evolvingleader LinkedIn             The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter               @Evolving_LeaderThe Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team
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Oct 10, 2021 • 8min

Bonus Episode: Why being knowable matters

In this bonus episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, host Scott Allender addresses the idea of knowability, or to put it another way being known. What does it mean as a leader to be knowable? Does it matter, and if so why? Social: Instagram           @evolvingleader LinkedIn             The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter               @Evolving_LeaderSend a message to The Evolving Leader team
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Oct 6, 2021 • 1h 8min

How to Pivot Through Disruption with Will Page

In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-host Jean Gomes talks to Will Page, former chief economist at both Spotify and PRS for Music, visiting fellow at London School of Economics and author of the recently published ‘Tarzan Economics: Eight principles for pivoting through disruption’.  0’00 Introduction0.43 Background to your career and what you are working on at the moment.6.32 Tell us the story of how your father introduced you to the core principles of economics.11.45  How many large organisations have a chief economist?13.59 What is your book Tarzan Economics all about? Give us the pitch.16.22 What advice are your giving to leaders in terms of shifting their mindset to work with disruption rather than to fight it? 19.24 When we think about how consumer’s consumption of music has shifted to a non linear model, how applicable is that shift to other markets, and how do you think like that when you are used to thinking in a linear abstraction from the past?22.18 Talk to us a little bit about how you spot when to pivot (which is a key part of knowing when to jump from vine to vine).29.24 How do economists within an organisation need to shift, what’s the agenda that they need to set for the next decade?34.30 How do you hold the tension between preserving the value of the business and its growth and innovation for the future?42.09  Can you talk to us about the OfCom framework and how that influenced some of your thinking?48.45 Let’s talk about Tower Records and the notion of the long tail.53.23 What’s your take on the short/medium/long-term outlook for the global economy?61.15 So what’s your focus now?Social: Instagram           @evolvingleader LinkedIn             The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter               @Evolving_LeaderThe Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team
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Sep 29, 2021 • 53min

The Hidden Joy of Untranslatable Words with Tim Lomas

In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Scott Allender and Jean Gomes talk to Dr Tim Lomas. Tim is one of the world’s leading researchers in positive psychology. He has published numerous papers on meditation, Buddhism and masculinity and has written several books including his most recent publication ‘Happiness - Found in Translation. A Glossary of Joy from Around the World’. In 2018 he delivered a TEDx talk where he introduced his current project, creating a crowd sourced lexicography of untranslatable words relating to wellbeing.  Visit The Positive Lexicography2.12 How did you become interested in cross cultural perspectives on wellbeing.6.43 Defining positive psychology.13.04 What inspired you to start creating the positive lexicography of untranslatable words, and what is this work revealing?   19.40 Exploring how so many of the words within the lexicography are not one emotion, but are more often a mixture of competing emotions.26.45 Some of Tim’s favourite words that have helped him become more connected and aware of his emotional experience.31.31 Exploring the lexicography, old friends or mysterious strangers.34.26 How much do you think we encourage people to ask themselves how they are actually feeling?39.24 In your research, have you noticed how some cultures have greater granularity in their language around emotions than others?44.45 Thinking about our discussion today, what is the call to action for a leader? 46.24 What’s next for you? The Global Wellbeing Initiative. Getting back in front of the mic. Social: Instagram           @evolvingleader LinkedIn             The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter               @Evolving_LeaderThe Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team
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Sep 22, 2021 • 59min

The Next 15 Years with Kevin Kelly

In this episode our guest is Senior Maverick at Wired Magazine, Kevin Kelly. Kevin co-founded Wired in 1993 and served as its executive editor until 1999. He is also editor and publisher of the Cool Tools website and is the former editor/publisher of the Whole Earth Review. Kevin Kelly has written several bestselling books including ‘New Rules for the New Economy’, ‘What Technology Wants’ and his most recent book ‘The Inevitable’.1’07 - What’s on your mind right now?4’24 – 24 years ago when you wrote ‘New Rules for the New Economy’, you had a very clear idea as to how the digital revolution would unfold. How do you think the development of technology has played out since then? 8’53 – You have an incredible track record when it comes to predicting how technology is going to play out. What’s your process?13’56 – What does social media want, and how is it evolving?19’37 – Since writing ‘The 12 technological forces shaping our future’ a decade ago, how have those 12 forces evolved?22’53 – What do you think the biggest challenges are for the leaders who are driving the world’s largest companies (such as Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, Tencent, Alibaba etc), and if you could be a mentor to those individuals, what would you say to them?28’51 – Can you tell us why you set up the ‘Long Now Foundation’ which promotes slower, better thinking and what impact do you think it’s had in the last 25 years?34’06 – Which things are you most excited about when it comes to solving the biggest problems such as climate, education, health etc.40’28 – How has Covid impacted your work? Did the pandemic spark something new in you?43’24 – What advice would you give to young people today?46’20 – If you were going to take a single central idea that you would be proud for future generations to take from your thinking, what would it be?49.57 – What’s next on your horizon?56’43 – You advised Steven Spielberg on Minority Report. What do you think 2050 is going to look like? Social: Instagram           @evolvingleader LinkedIn             The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter               @Evolving_LeaderThe Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.Send a message to The Evolving Leader team
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Sep 15, 2021 • 52min

Breakthrough Thinking from Rita McGrath

Welcome to Season 3 of the Evolving Leader podcast.In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are joined by innovation expert Rita McGrath. Rita is an author, professor of management at the Columbia Business School, keynote speaker, founder of the innovation platform ‘Valize’ and in September 2021 was shortlisted for the Thinkers50 Strategy Award. Reading recommendation:"Seeing around corners - How to spot inflection points in business before they happen" (Rita McGrath, 2021)THIS EPISODE:2.18 Rita’s background and career to date.4.36 Eliminating ‘innovation theatre’.7.54 Discovery driven growth, and Rita’s ‘flops file’.11.53 How Rita’s ‘Discovery Driven Planning’ HBR article influenced Eric Ries and the Lean Start-up.14.27 The ‘Barebones Net Present Value’ tool can help to project the entire lifecycle value of a potential project.15.57 Insights regarding how we need to think differently about competitive advantage and where that approach has been adopted successfully.25.01 One of the most important superpowers for leaders. ‘Seeing around corners – how to spot inflection points in business before they happen’ (Rita McGrath, 2021). Rita elaborates.29.25 The process of assumption busting.31.52 People are one of the only remaining sources of long term competitive advantage.34.53 The pitfalls that Rita sees when working as an advisor in businesses around the world37.56 Rita’s next area of research.39.38 Experiences from living and working through Covid. Social: Instagram           @evolvingleader LinkedIn             The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter               @Evolving_LeaderSend a message to The Evolving Leader team

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