

The God Journey
Wayne Jacobsen
The adventure of living loved
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Nov 14, 2025 • 45min
The Pain of Moral Injury (#1010)
Kyle surprises Wayne with a new term that is being utilized in trauma work—moral injury. This happens when someone, either by choice or coercion, acts in opposition to their deep moral framework. It causes significant damage not only to the one who does it, but to the people impacted by his actions. It is especially troublesome in religious contexts where such betrayal can even destroy our ability to believe in God. They highlight the challenges of healing from such injuries, noting that they often affect a person's identity, worldview, and ability to trust others. They talk about betrayal and how to move beyond it to healing, highlighting the transformative power of God's love and the ability to find purpose in suffering. They end with the idea that the painful groanings of that injury may, in part, be the prayers that are too deep for words.
Podcast Notes:
The video recording of this podcast
Moral Failings in the Pulpit Lead to Moral Injury in the Pews
Identifying and Addressing the Hidden Cost of Moral Injury
Moral Injury and Spiritual Recovery
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Nov 7, 2025 • 42min
When Fear Trumps Endearment (#1009)
Following up on last week's podcast, Kyle and Wayne begin by discussing the power of presence to shape our lives in love. They agreed that religion often removes the focus on presence, offering instead a system of rules and certainty that doesn't lead to an authentic connection with God. By motivating people's fear, Christianity has often prioritized fear and control over genuine spiritual transformation. How different would our influence be in the world if love were our foundation? They conclude with a conversation about a false application of Ordo Amoris, which falsely allows us to be selective in those we love, allowing us to treat others with contempt.
Podcast Notes:
The video recording of this podcast
It's Not Chocolate - an earlier podcast
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Oct 31, 2025 • 44min
Living from Fullness (#1009)
Kyle asks AI to define the message of The God Journey, leading to a brief discussion about AI and the soothing properties of the ancient cathedrals. Then he and Wayne get into the conversation about finding our fullness in his Presence, rather than seeking it in the temporal amusements of the world. Presence is about focus and simplicity, not elaborate rituals or time-consuming practices or having to “fill up” at weekend services. Religious institutions can unintentionally create a cycle of spiritual emptiness and dependency, rather than fostering a continual engagement with presence and joy.
Podcast Notes:
We're sorry, but we are still having technical difficulties and were not able to make a video of this podcast.
The audio release of It's Time
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Oct 24, 2025 • 43min
How We View Morality (#1008)
Why are some followers of Jesus deeply concerned over the tactics and demeanor of the Trump Administration, while others wholeheartedly endorse it? A recent article suggests it may have to do with how we view God's morality. Is it keeping to a moral code by a vengeful deity, or is it the fruit of God's love, teaching us how to treat others? Kyle and Wayne explore this article and whether or not vengeance, intimidation, and arrogance are helpful to advance Jesus's kingdom in the world. Wasn't the Incarnation God's desire to win by love what fear could never accomplish? They also discuss the complexities of U.S. immigration policies and their desire to make them more humane.
Podcast Notes:
We're sorry, but we are still having technical difficulties and were not able to make a video of this podcast.
Article on Vertical and Horizontal Morality
Walter Brugermann's talk on Justice from above, versus justice from below
The audio release of It's Time
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Oct 17, 2025 • 43min
A Path out of Legalism (#1007)
During Wayne and Sara's recent trip around the Rocky Mountains, they met many people in the cities they traveled through who have left or are considering leaving a worldwide, legalistic Christian sect. Recent revelations of child sexual abuse on the part of leadership caused many to reconsider the teachings and practices of the group. Now, many are seeking to move out of religious performance, motivated by fear and pursued by self-effort, to an affection-based relationship with God, where love provides the impetus for rest and transformation. Kyle wants to know what Wayne learned in these conversations and how he helps people process this stage of their journey.
Podcast Notes:
We're sorry, but we were not able to make a video of this podcast.
The audio release of It's Time
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Oct 3, 2025 • 44min
What it Means to Abide (#1006)
What would change if you trusted God's presence abiding in you instead of seeking to feel his love? Wayne and Kyle read through a recent Facebook post by Graham Cook that talks about the difference between resting in his habitation instead of seeking encounters with him. When you realize that you can stop chasing what you already have, rest in relationship instead of working for relationship, practice awareness of existing presence instead of creating encounters, live from His promise, not your feelings, and make his presence your dwelling place, not your occasional destination.
Podcast Notes:
Sorry, there is no video of this podcast.
Here is a copy of Graham Cooke's FB Post
The audio release of It's Time
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Sep 26, 2025 • 44min
The Traditional Congregation (#1005)
Wayne and Kyle dive into the tension between traditional congregations and spiritual growth. They discuss how some churches can nurture new believers while others may stifle them. The hosts explore the importance of relational gatherings, authenticity, and the pitfalls of managed discipleship. Wayne encourages seeking grace-centered communities over rigid programs. They also address criticisms about their views on organized church and emphasize the value of church as a safe landing for new believers.

Sep 19, 2025 • 42min
The Fruit of Forgiveness (#1004)
After Wayne and Sara shared their trauma story with Kyle's Advanced Counseling course, Kyle wanted to talk more about forgiveness as the fruit of God's healing, not the way we earn it. So many see forgiveness as an obligation God requires of us, even if we only pretend on the outside, instead of a process that flows out of his healing inside our hearts. They also talk about how easily bullies can misinterpret Scripture to great discussion, and what it means to take God's name in vain.
Podcast Notes:
Sorry, there is no video of this podcast.
Wayne and Sara's trip to Calgary and back through Idaho, Washington, and Oregon
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Sep 12, 2025 • 42min
Finding Calm Amid Chaos (#1003)
Wayne and Kyle were together in Sheridan, Wyoming, this week and had the rare chance to sit down face-to-face after Wayne had shared the Language of Healing with Kyle's sociology class. They talk about Wayne and Sara's trip so far, and that leads them to a conversation about finding calmness in the midst of chaos. Peace doesn't come from our circumstances, but from Presence. His peace can actually guide us through any difficulty and allow us to see what opportunities he has for us.
Podcast Notes:
Sorry, there is no video of this podcast.
Wayne and Sara's trip through Wyoming, Montana, southern Alberta, and back through Idaho, Washington, and Oregon
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Aug 29, 2025 • 43min
Authentic Relationship in an AI World? (#1002)
Many people are substituting AI for their interactions with other human beings. From romantic relationships to therapy, even spiritual direction. Which brings up the question: Is it healthy to try to have heart-to-heart conversations with an algorithm, even one designed to mimic human responses? Humanity has always adapted to technological changes, but does it make us even more relationally challenged than religion did? AI unleashes some powerful tools that can be used for good, and at the same time, open doors for tremendous evil. As a mental health professional, Kyle is particularly concerned that this trend will do irreparable harm to human engagement in the process.
Podcast Notes:
Video recording of this podcast
Wayne and Sara's trip through Colorado, South Dakota, Montana, and maybe Alberta before heading back for a lap around the Pacific Northwest.
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