A World of Difference

In the pursuit of becoming a great leader, Lance Ford found himself immersed in the fervor of the mid-90s Seeker church movement. However, his journey took an unexpected turn as he began to notice discrepancies between the teachings of Jesus and the prevailing leadership ethos. This realization led to his departure from the church he had founded, and a subsequent role at a prominent megachurch only solidified his conviction that a deeper issue permeated the church's leadership structures. What he discovered will challenge everything you thought you knew about leadership in the church.If you're feeling overwhelmed by the pressure to grow your church at any cost, then you are not alone! The relentless focus on numbers and programs may be leaving you feeling spiritually depleted, despite the outward appearance of success. If you're feeling like you have to put on a facade of perfection and always have all the answers, then you are not alone! The pursuit of a mega-church model may be causing you to neglect your own well-being and authenticity as a leader. If you're feeling like you're constantly comparing your church to others and never measuring up, then you are not alone! The endless cycle of competition and comparison in the pursuit of growth may be leading to burnout and a loss of true community within your congregation.My special guest is Lance Ford.Lance Ford, a well-established church leader and author, has made significant contributions to the faith community through his publications in recognized platforms like Christianity Today and Outreach magazine. With a distinguished career spanning over three decades, Lance has applied his expertise as a pastor and church planner to develop unique training systems utilized by network seminaries and leaders globally. Renowned for his insightful books, including "Unleader," "The Starfish and the Spirit," and "Missional Essentials," Lance has demonstrated a comprehensive understanding of the complexities within evangelical spaces. His latest work, "The Atlas Factor," critically examines the inherent pitfalls of traditional church leadership models, offering valuable insights and practical wisdom for church leaders and pastors aiming to establish healthier and more authentic leadership structures. Lance's extensive experience and authoritative perspective position him as a valuable resource for reshaping leadership dynamics within the faith community.You're not wrong with those little red flags. When you go to the scripture again, you start seeing it. - Lance FordIn this episode, you will be able to: Embrace authentic and servant-hearted leadership in your faith community. Explore the pitfalls of the mega-church model and its impact on leadership. Learn to shift the focus of leadership to Jesus for a more genuine approach. Understand the disillusionment with the leadership industrial complex and its effects. Implement healthier leadership structures for a more sustainable and impactful church. Cultivating healthier leadership structuresCreating healthier leadership structures within the church is a salient issue across different denominations and sizes of churches. Institutions can draw on Jesus Christ's teachings for inspiration, fostering a balance of power that encourages servant-hearted leadership. By shifting leadership paradigms and prioritizing the fundamental teachings of Jesus Christ, churches can cultivate healthier communities that better serve their congregations and embody the true spirit of Christianity.The resources mentioned in this episode are: Join the Difference Maker community by visiting www.patreon.com/aWorldofDifference to access exclusive interviews and engage in deeper conversations with difference makers like Lance Ford. Purchase a copy of Lance Ford's book, "The Atlas Factor," to gain insight into toxic leadership systems and find hope for healthier faith communities. The book is available for purchase on various online platforms and in bookstores. Connect with Lance Ford for coaching, consulting, and training on church leadership and systems by visiting www.theatlasfactor.com or emailing info@theatlasfactor.com. Consider engaging in self-care practices to support your mental and emotional well-being, especially if the conversation has brought up challenging experiences or emotions. Take time to breathe, engage your senses, and prioritize your own health and well-being. Explore the free trial option for the Difference Maker community to access exclusive interviews, polls, and engage in conversations that can help you make a difference in your own unique way. The majority are good. Even some of the worst abusers that we could name today, you look back at their history, you talk to the witnesses that were around in the early days. They started out good. - Lance FordThe key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Introducing the Podcast and Guest00:01:52 - Lance's Background and Book00:04:10 - Aha Moment00:11:08 - Root Causes of Leadership Issues00:14:15 - Church as a Platform for Narcissism00:16:38 - The Evolution of Leadership00:23:17 - Abuse of Power in Churches00:27:04 - Jesus' Approach to Power00:29:32 - Impact of the System on Whistleblowers00:30:21 - The Atlas Factor00:33:33 - The Importance of the Atlas Vertebra00:35:06 - Paul's Teachings on Leadership00:36:57 - Challenging Traditional Leadership Models00:39:55 - Overcoming Cognitive Dissonance00:46:03 - A Call to Action and Finding Support00:49:19 - Importance of Metaphor and Theology00:50:05 - Lance's Approach and Authenticity00:51:46 - Recognizing Red Flags00:52:47 - Lance's Empathy and Straightforwardness00:55:21 - Self-Care and EncouragementTimestamped summary of this episode:00:00:02 - Introducing the Podcast and GuestLori introduces the podcast and the guest, Lance Ford. She highlights his background as a pastor, church planter, and author, and emphasizes his new book, "The Atlas Factor."00:01:52 - Lance's Background and BookLance shares his background as a pastor and network director, and his journey of questioning leadership in the church. He discusses his previous book, "Unleader," and how it led to the writing of "The Atlas Factor."00:04:10 - Aha MomentLori asks Lance about his moment of realization regarding the leadership culture in the church. Lance shares his experience of being on staff at a large church and witnessing questionable behavior from influential leaders, leading to his realization of the epidemic.00:11:08 - Root Causes of Leadership IssuesLori and Lance discuss the potential causes of the toxic leadership culture in the church. They touch on the attraction of power and influence in faith-based organizations and the potential draw for individuals with narcissistic tendencies.00:14:15 - Church as a Platform for NarcissismThe conversation delves into the allure of the church as a platform for individuals with narcissistic tendencies to fulfill their desire for power and control. They explore the dynamics that enable and perpetuate such behavior within church leadership.00:16:38 - The Evolution of LeadershipLance discusses his surprise at the newness of the concept of leadership, as evidenced by its absence in older dictionaries. He highlights the industrial revolution's impact on the development of modern leadership theories.00:23:17 - Abuse of Power in ChurchesLori and Lance discuss the specific impact of the industrial revolution on church leadership and the resulting burnout culture. They emphasize the need to address systemic issues rather than just symptoms.00:27:04 - Jesus' Approach to PowerLance delves into Jesus' teachings on power and leadership, emphasizing the contrast between worldly power dynamics and the servant leadership model promoted by Jesus.00:29:32 - Impact of the System on WhistleblowersThe conversation explores the detrimental effects of the current leadership system on whistleblowers and women, highlighting the toxic masculinity and patriarchal structures within the church.00:30:21 - The Atlas FactorLance introduces the concept of the Atlas factor as a metaphor for the burden placed on church leaders to carry the weight of the world. He explores the idea of decentralized leadership and the need to shift the focus onto Jesus as the true head of the church.00:33:33 - The Importance of the Atlas VertebraLance Ford discusses the significance of the atlas vertebra, its role in connecting the brain to the body, and how misalignment can affect overall health.00:35:06 - Paul's Teachings on LeadershipPaul's writings in Ephesians are discussed, emphasizing the importance of the body of Christ and the misuse of titles such as "head pastor" in modern leadership models.00:36:57 - Challenging Traditional Leadership ModelsLance encourages readers to re-examine their understanding of leadership by reading the Bible with fresh eyes and questioning the prevailing church growth and leadership models.00:39:55 - Overcoming Cognitive DissonanceThe conversation delves into the challenges of navigating cognitive dissonance within the church, addressing the disconnect between what should be happening and what actually occurs in many church settings.00:46:03 - A Call to Action and Finding SupportLance offers support to those who have experienced abuse within the church, providing hope and practical resources for individuals and communities seeking positive change. He also shares his contact information for further assistance.00:49:19 - Importance of Metaphor and TheologyLance Ford discusses the significance of the metaphor of the Atlas factor and theological implications. He emphasizes the need for people to know they are not alone in dealing with toxic faith environments.00:50:05 - Lance's Approach and AuthenticityLori praises Lance's research synthesis and caring nature. She highlights his ability to give language to issues and communicate in a caring and loving manner. Lance's authenticity in addressing hard truths is also commended.00:51:46 - Recognizing Red FlagsLori emphasizes the importance of recognizing red flags in toxic faith environments. She encourages listeners to pick up Lance's book, "The Atlas Factor," to gain insight into unhealthy church dynamics and toxic leadership.00:52:47 - Lance's Empathy and StraightforwardnessLori appreciates Lance's empathy towards marginalized individuals and his ability to synthesize information. She commends his straightforward yet caring approach in addressing toxic faith environments and interactions with people.00:55:21 - Self-Care and EncouragementLori encourages listeners to engage in self-care and mindfulness after listening to the podcast. She affirms the value and worth of the audience, urging them to take care of themselves as they continue making a difference in the world. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Have you heard the myths about feminist readings of the Bible? Some common myths include: feminist interpretations of the Bible are anti-male, feminist readings ignore traditional religious teachings, and feminist perspectives on the Bible are not rooted in scholarly research. Our guest, Dr. Julie Faith Parker, will share the truth, dispel these myths, and provide a deeper understanding of the feminist perspectives found in biblical texts.My special guest is Dr. Julie Faith ParkerOur guest today is Dr. Julie Faith Parker, an accomplished biblical scholar and author of the book "Eve Isn't Evil: Feminist Readings of the Bible to Upend Our Assumptions." With a distinguished background in ancient languages, including Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, Dr. Parker brings a wealth of expertise to the discussion. Her extensive research focuses on the cultural and linguistic nuances of the biblical world, providing valuable insights into feminist interpretations of biblical texts. As a visiting scholar at Union Theological Seminary and a biblical scholar in residence at Marble Collegiate Church in New York City, Dr. Parker's work has garnered widespread acclaim for its scholarly depth and thought-provoking perspectives. We are honored to have her join us on the show today.The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there. - Dr. Julie Faith ParkerIn this episode, you will be able to: Explore feminist perspectives in the Bible to uncover hidden narratives and empower your understanding. Gain insight into the cultural context of biblical times, shedding light on the lives of women in the ancient world. Discover the significance of understanding original languages to unveil deeper meanings within biblical texts. Challenge traditional interpretations of the Bible to embrace diverse and inclusive perspectives. Experience the transformative and empowering nature of the Psalms through a feminist lens. Discovering the Significance of Original LanguagesThe episode emphasizes the value of studying the Bible in its original languages. Such study provides valuable insights into the minds of biblical figures and bypasses the influence of interpretive decisions made by translators. By examining the scripture in Hebrew, Greek, Latin, and other languages, listeners can discover new nuances, foster a deeper understanding of the texts, and challenge commonly accepted interpretations.The resources mentioned in this episode are: To purchase Julie Faith Parker's book Eve Isn't Evil, visit her website at JuliefaithParker.com. Join the Difference Makers community on Patreon to access exclusive episodes, engage with guests, and participate in polls to shape the future of the podcast. Visit www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference to join for as little as $5 a month. Engage with Lori and other listeners in the Difference Makers community to access exclusive content and connect with like-minded individuals. Explore the Difference Makers community on Patreon to access deeper episodes with guests like Julie Faith Parker and gain insights into their perspectives and experiences. Subscribe to the Difference Makers community on Patreon to access all past and future episodes, providing a wealth of content to explore and enjoy. Gaining Insight into the Cultural ContextUnderstanding the cultural context that shaped the Bible's narratives, forms a significant part of the discussions in this episode. The biblical world, markedly different from today's society, had unique vocabularies, concepts, and societal structures that influence how we interpret the text. Grasping these aspects is vital to fully appreciate the texts and uncover hidden meanings obscured by modern perspectives.The key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Introduction to the Podcast00:00:32 - Introducing Betterhelp00:01:22 - Introducing Dr. Julie Faith Parker00:03:18 - Understanding the Biblical World00:08:08 - Importance of Language Study00:14:08 - Reinterpreting the Psalms00:16:43 - The Psalms in Latin America00:18:26 - Teaching in Sing Sing00:20:58 - Criminals in the Bible00:27:17 - Feminist Lens on the Scriptures00:28:22 - Feminist Interpretation of Scriptures00:29:49 - Unique Filters in Reading Scriptures00:31:32 - Family Struggles and Labels00:35:35 - Reinterpretation of Eve00:40:55 - Consequences of Punishments00:41:04 - The Divine Mother and Daughter00:42:22 - The Misinterpretation of Eve00:44:50 - Feminist Lens on the Book of Job00:48:26 - Job's Integrity and Feminist Takeaway00:51:06 - Understanding Eve and Women in Ancient Scriptures00:54:00 - Introduction to Difference Maker Community00:54:40 - Exclusive Episodes and Community Benefits00:55:03 - Call to Action00:54:00 - Introduction to Difference Maker Community00:54:40 - Exclusive Episodes and Community BenefitsAll of us are different, but some people have labels that are put upon them that you live with because it's your ticket to services. It's how you hopefully can get some help, but that's not easy. - Dr. Julie Faith ParkerExploring Feminist Perspectives in the BibleThe episode unveils a fresh outlook on biblical narratives by exploring feminist interpretations. By questioning traditional interpretations, particularly those that perpetuate inequality, and shedding light on the strength and resilience of women in the Bible, the episode underscores their crucial role in biblical stories. Such exploration of feminist perspectives can break away from the conventional interpretations, highlighting women's experiences, voices, and roles in the Bible.Timestamped summary of this episode:00:00:02 - Introduction to the PodcastLori introduces the podcast and its focus on making a difference for those who are different. She also highlights the importance of self-care for difference-makers.00:00:32 - Introducing BetterHelpLori talks about the importance of seeking help and introduces Betterhelp.com/difference as the sponsor of the podcast, offering a 10% discount to listeners. She shares her personal experience with therapy and healing.00:01:22 - Introducing Dr. Julie Faith ParkerLori introduces Dr. Julie Faith Parker, a biblical scholar and author of "Eve isn't evil feminist readings of the Bible to upend our assumptions." She highlights Dr. Parker's extensive background and research interests.00:03:18 - Understanding the Biblical WorldDr. Parker discusses the importance of understanding the cultural differences in the biblical world, emphasizing the tribal, age-integrated society and the absence of certain concepts like privacy, individualism, and race.00:08:08 - Importance of Language StudyDr. Parker shares her experience studying multiple languages and how it offers insights into the biblical texts. She emphasizes the importance of original languages to better understand cultural nuances and avoid the biases of translators.00:14:08 - Reinterpreting the PsalmsJulie shares her experience of using the Psalms for spiritual connection during a dangerous encounter in Nicaragua. She highlights the cultural and biblical significance of the Psalms and the sense of worship they provide.00:16:43 - The Psalms in Latin AmericaJulie reflects on her experience of singing the Psalms in Spanish during worship in Venezuela. She discusses the influence of liberation theology and the impact of the Psalms on her understanding of different types of liberation.00:18:26 - Teaching in Sing SingJulie talks about her transformative experience teaching at Sing Sing Maximum security prison. She emphasizes the intelligence and capability of the incarcerated individuals and challenges the stigma surrounding people who have been incarcerated.00:20:58 - Criminals in the BibleJulie discusses the presence of individuals who committed crimes in the Bible, such as Cain, Moses, David, Jesus, and Paul. She emphasizes the importance of offering second chances and not being quick to judge incarcerated individuals.00:27:17 - Feminist Lens on the ScripturesJulie explains her choice of using a feminist lens to interpret the scriptures. She shares her experience of feeling empowered and discovering a different perspective on the story of Eve, challenging traditional interpretations.00:28:22 - Feminist Interpretation of ScripturesJulie discusses making the scriptures accessible to all, regardless of biblical education. Feminist interpretation liberated her and she hopes her book will do the same.00:29:49 - Unique Filters in Reading ScripturesJulie talks about the uniqueness of individual filters when reading scriptures. She relates it to her work in leadership development and emphasizes the relevance of the scriptures to human experiences.00:31:32 - Family Struggles and LabelsJulie shares her family struggles, including her son's autism diagnosis and daughter's bipolar disorder. She highlights the importance of erasing the stigma associated with such conditions and finding help.00:35:35 - Reinterpretation of EveJulie discusses her reinterpretation of Eve, emphasizing her curiosity and the blame unfairly placed on her. She delves into the translations and punishments related to Eve's story.00:40:55 - Consequences of PunishmentsJulie explores the consequences of the punishments given to Adam and Eve. She discusses the ideology and patriarchy reflected in the scriptures' portrayal of gender roles.00:41:04 - The Divine Mother and DaughterJulie discusses the relationship between Eve and God, highlighting the divine connection between mothers and daughters. She emphasizes that the presence of women together reflects the presence of the divine mother and daughter.00:42:22 - The Misinterpretation of EveJulie delves into the misinterpretation of Eve's actions, pointing out the mistranslation of her words and the bias against her character in the biblical text. She challenges the traditional narrative and provides a feminist perspective on Eve.00:44:50 - Feminist Lens on the Book of JobJulie explores the feminist perspective in the book of Job, highlighting the portrayal of women characters and their significance in the narrative. She emphasizes the importance of interpreting the text through a feminist lens to uncover hidden biases.00:48:26 - Job's Integrity and Feminist TakeawayJulie discusses Job's refusal to accept blame and his unwavering integrity in the face of adversity. She interprets this as a feminist takeaway, emphasizing the importance of standing up against unfair accusations and holding onto one's truth.00:51:06 - Understanding Eve and Women in Ancient ScripturesJulie shares her insights on understanding Eve and women in ancient scriptures, highlighting the importance of reexamining the portrayal of women in religious texts. She encourages a deeper understanding of women's roles and experiences in ancient narratives.00:54:00 - Introduction to Difference Maker CommunityLori introduces the Difference Maker Community where listeners can engage with guests and participate in polls to impact the podcast content for 2024.00:54:40 - Exclusive Episodes and Community BenefitsLori encourages joining the community to access exclusive episodes and interact with guests. Access is available for as little as $5 a month on patreon.com.00:55:03 - Call to ActionLori invites listeners to join the community and acknowledges their efforts in making a difference worldwide. She signs off with a reminder to continue making a difference.00:54:00 - Introduction to Difference Maker CommunityLori introduces the Difference Maker Community where listeners can engage with guests and participate in polls to impact the podcast content for 2024.00:54:40 - Exclusive Episodes and Community BenefitsLori encourages joining the community to access exclusive episodes and interact with guests. Access is available for as little as $5 a month on www.patreon.com/difference. https://www.youtube.com/@aworldofdifference https://www.facebook.com/A-World-of-Difference-613933132591673/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/aworldofdifference/ https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com https://www.twitter.com/@awodpod www.betterhelp.com/difference www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you're feeling frustrated and helpless in your efforts to promote cultural and linguistic accuracy in the church, despite taking actions like advocating for diverse representation and using inclusive language, then you are not alone!Words matter, especially in translations of the Bible. Join us as we dive into the world of New Testament translations with Scott McKnight and uncover the importance of accurate translations and the impact they can have. But when it comes to women in ministry and the use of certain words, will the translation choices make or break their place in the church? Find out in this thought-provoking discussion.In this episode, you will be able to: Recognize the value of cultural understanding and meticulous translation in the proper interpretation of the Bible. Delve into the intricate dynamics of power within the church and their varied consequences. Learn how to address spiritual abuse effectively and foster a support system for survivors. Embrace the core principles of good leadership and the altruistic use of power in ministry. Highlight the vital insights shared by women scholars and survivors for a more inclusive faith community. My special guest is Dr. Scot McKnightMeet Dr. Scot McKnight, a renowned New Testament professor at Northern Seminary in Illinois and a prolific author with a passion for diving deep into the cultural context of biblical texts. As a guest on Lori Adams-Brown's podcast, Scot brings his expertise in Bible translation and interpretation, having written over 90 books, including widely-read titles like "A Church Called Tov" and "The Blue Parakeet." A dedicated advocate for abuse survivors and a favorite professor among his students, Dr. McKnight's insights are sure to enrich your understanding of the Bible."I believe in the power of a more literal translation."- Dr. Scot McKnightThe resources mentioned in this episode are: Check out Dr. Scott McKnight's new translation of the New Testament, The Second Testament. Subscribe to Dr. McKnight's newsletter Consider taking Greek classes with Dr. McKnight. Purchase Dr. McKnight's books, including A Church Called Tov, The King Jesus Gospel, and The Blue Parakeet. Follow Dr. McKnight's blog, The Jesus Creed. Follow him on Twitter: @scotmcknight Read Dr. McKnight's contributions as general editor of the Dictionary of Paul and His Letters. Explore the Everyday Bible series, including the First Testament by John Golden Gay and The Kingdom New Testament by Tom Wright. The Way of JesusGood leadership in the church involves recognizing, using, and sharing power in ways that are faithful to the teachings of Jesus. Followers of Jesus should strive to cultivate humility, compassion, and an attitude of serving others, often forgoing one's power to benefit those who are more vulnerable. Dr. Scot McKnight, during the podcast interview, mentioned several examples of power abuse in the church, contrasting them with the biblical teachings of Jesus. He specifically cited Romans 16 and Philippians 2:1-11, which emphasize the concept of Kenosis – the act of laying down one's power to serve others. McKnight believes that understanding this concept and applying it in the context of leadership and church relationships is essential to embodying the way of Jesus and countering the negative aspects of power dynamics in churches."Words deeply matter, and those words can wound and they can hurt for a long time." - Dr. Scot McKnightWomen in MinistryAn accurate translation plays a crucial role in recognizing and valuing the contributions of women in the early church. Being mindful of the words used to describe women's roles is crucial as language can shape our understanding and reinforce stereotypes or power dynamics within the church. By translating words and phrases accurately, women's contributions to the early church can be acknowledged and celebrated more fairly. During the conversation, Dr. McKnight emphasized the importance of using accurate translation to highlight women's roles in the church, such as translating the word Phoebe to mean "deacon" rather than "servant." He also mentioned the prevalence of false narratives and power dynamics in church culture that can negatively affect how people perceive women's roles in ministry. By ensuring accurate translations, he believes we can better acknowledge, value, and empower women working in the church.Keeping Names AuthenticOne of the essential aspects of ensuring cultural authenticity in a Bible translation is the use of names as close as possible to what they would have sounded in the original language. This offers a sense of novelty and unfamiliarity for readers, prompting reflection on the context and culture surrounding the text. By preserving the original names, readers can gain deeper insights into the characters and their significance in the narrative. Dr. McKnight uses transliteration in his translation, meaning that names in the Bible are rendered more authentically, closer to their original language. For instance, Yakobos is used instead of the English equivalent, James. Dr. McKnight argued during the podcast that using such authentic names invites readers to reconsider the context and culture of the Bible's characters, creating a more engaging and meaningful reading experience."We need to be careful with the words we use for translations, because if we don't get it right, it can hurt people." - Dr. Scot McKnightTimestamped summary of this episode:00:00:02 - Introduction,Dr. Scott McKnight is an advocate in the survivor community and a professor at Northern Seminary in Illinois. He has written over 90 books and blogs at The Jesus Creed. He talks about his new translation of the New Testament, the Second Testament, which he made more literal to help people understand the ancient context of the text.00:06:01 - Reason for New Translation,McKnight believes that the capacity to translate Greek into English has reached near perfection, but people miss things when they try to make it a natural English equivalent. He wants to show people the differences between the original Greek sentence and the English sentence.00:11:37 - Distinctives of the Second Testament,McKnight was inspired to translate the New Testament after reading John Golden Gay's translation of the Old Testament. One of the distinctives is the transliteration of names, which may be confusing but creates an authentic ancient context. McKnight's translation sometimes sounds clunky because it is formally equivalent, but that helps readers slow down and think.00:14:57 - Keeping Names Authentic,The Second Testament transliterates names to help readers understand the ancient context. This makes the text feel foreign and distant, which is appropriate, as it helps readers dig deeper into cultural exegesis. McKnight believes that being familiar with the text can be a hindrance to truly understanding it.00:15:47 - Familiarity with the Text,Familiarity with the text can sometimes00:16:13 - The Impact of Names on Reading,Dr. Scot McKnight discusses the impact of names on reading and how different names can lead readers to think differently and understand a text in a new way. He suggests that using the original Greek text can take readers into the first-century Christian world and help them understand the text in a new light.00:18:10 - Women in Ministry,Dr. Scot McKnight discusses the controversy around women pastors, using the example of the lack of pastors in the Bible. He suggests that titles such as Piscopos, Diaconos, and Presbutaros were used instead. He also refers to Romans 16, which mentions several women involved in church ministry, including an apostle and a deacon.00:22:54 - Multiculturalism in the Early Church,Dr. Scot McKnight discusses the multicultural and multiracial nature of the early church, with a mix of slaves and free people, men and women, and Jews and Gentiles. He draws attention to the several women mentioned in Romans 16, performing ministries that today would be called pastoring.00:27:39 - The Importance of Language,Dr. Scot McKnight emphasizes the importance of language and translation, pointing out that the wrong translation can hurt people. He uses the example of King James' Bible, which made choices to keep its subjects subdued. He also discusses the power dynamics in evangelical churches and how they favor men and certain behaviors that have become manly.00:33:10 - The Four Types of Power,Dr. Scot McKnight discusses the four types of power: power over, power to influence, power with, and power for. He explains how power over is the most corrupted form of power and how it is prevalent in the business world, sports, and even the church. He also highlights the importance of using power for the good of others and sharing power with others.00:35:25 - The Power With,Dr. McKnight delves deeper into the concept of power with and how it involves the willingness to share power with someone else to achieve a mutually beneficial outcome. He cites his experience of co-authoring a book with a young man and how they worked together to create a cohesive product.00:36:53 - Power For,Dr. McKnight discusses the last type of power, power for, which involves using one's power for the good of another person. He cites Jesus Christ as an example of this type of power, as He came not to be served but to serve and give His life for others.00:40:00 - Dealing with Spiritual Abuse,Dr. McKnight advises people who are experiencing spiritual abuse or know someone who is to first become healthy enough to handle the blowback that comes with going public. He also stresses the importance of having a support system and following the proper protocols or guidelines for reporting abuse. Lastly, he emphasizes the need for patience and resilience as it may take a long time to see change.00:50:50 - Abusing Power in Churches,Dr. Scott McKnight discusses how some pastors and church leaders abuse their power, particularly with vulnerable members such as children. He encourages readers to follow his work in understanding power dynamics and using power for good, especially with survivors of abuse.00:52:00 - The Way of Jesus,Dr. Scott McKnight emphasizes the way of Jesus in using power for good and elevating others. He references the Kenosis passage in Philippians 2 and encourages listeners to learn how to understand and wield their power for the benefit of others.00:53:38 - Call to Action,Lori Adams-Brown issues a call to action for listeners to use their power for good, particularly with survivors of abuse. She encourages finding a survivor and listening to their story while respecting their autonomy and using power to elevate their voice and support them.00:54:48 - TovLori Adams-Brown references Dr. Scott McKnight and Laura Behringer's book, A Church Called TOV, and highlights the importance of using power in tov, or goodness, particularly with survivors of abuse. She encourages listeners to find ways to support survivors and let them lead the way in how they want to share their stories and move forward.00:56:03 - Conclusion,Lori Adams-Brown thanks listeners for their work in making a difference and encourages them to read Dr. Scot McKnight's book, Second Testament. She also hints at future episodes with Dr. Scot McKnight and his new book with Laura Barringer as a follow up to A Church Called TOV. Appreciate the role of cultural context and precise translation in interpreting the Bible effectively. Comprehend the various power dynamics at play within the church and their implications. Recognize signs of spiritual abuse, ensuring adequate support for survivors. Grasp the crucial need for responsible leadership and the ethical use of power. Discover the valuable contributions of female scholars and survivors in the ministry. Realize the importance of context and accurate translation in unlocking the true meaning of biblical passages. Uncover diversities in church power dynamics and their impacts on members. Identify the nature of spiritual abuse and the ways to help survivors heal. Understand the significance of virtuous leadership and the fair exercise of power for communal benefit. Shed light on the often-overlooked perspectives of women scholars and abuse survivors in ministry. https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com https://www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference https://www.instagram.com/aworldof.difference/ https://www.facebook.com/A-World-of-Difference-613933132591673/ https://www.twitter.com/@awodpod https://www.youtube.com/@aworldofdifference https://www.linkedin.com/company/aworldofdifference/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a world where women's voices are marginalized, join Liz Cooledge Jenkins as she challenges patriarchal structures in evangelicalism and empowers women to reclaim their humanity. But will she be able to make a difference in a system resistant to change? Discover the shocking truth in this gripping journey of faith and advocacy.In this episode of the A World of Difference podcast, you'll join host Lori Adams-Brown as she chats with guest Liz Cooledge Jenkins about reclaiming women's humanity from evangelicalism. Liz shares her own experiences and insights, drawing from her background as a writer, preacher, and former college campus minister. The conversation explores the impact of patriarchal structures within the church and the importance of speaking out against gender inequality. Liz's book, Nice Churchy Patriarchy, is praised for its compelling title and narrative approach, making it a valuable resource for anyone seeking to challenge patriarchal norms in evangelicalism. Through personal narratives and thought-provoking discussions, this episode empowers individuals to reclaim their humanity and advocate for gender equality in religious communities. So grab your headphones and get ready to dive into this inspiring conversation on A World of Difference.My special guest isLiz Coolidge Jenkins is not your typical preacher and writer. With a BS in Symbolic Systems from Stanford and a Master of Divinity, Liz brings a unique blend of intellect and spirituality to her work. She is passionate about challenging patriarchal norms within evangelicalism and advocating for gender equality in religious communities. Through her writing, Liz fearlessly delves into the complex issues surrounding women's rights and roles in the church. Her book, "Nice Churchy Patriarchy: Reclaiming Women's Humanity from Evangelicalism," is a powerful exploration of her own journey and experiences within the evangelical world. With a mix of personal narrative and insightful analysis, Liz offers a fresh perspective on how we can create faith communities that are inclusive, just, and life-giving for everyone. Prepare to be inspired and empowered as Liz Cooledge Jenkins invites you to join her in reclaiming women's humanity and transforming the religious landscape.Even if progress has been made, there's still work to do. We deserve full equality and we won't settle for anything less. - Liz Cooledge JenkinsAmplifying Women's VoicesThe importance of amplifying women's voices is a primary factor in challenging and shifting age-old patriarchal structures, particularly within evangelical contexts. Women's experiences, insights, and perspectives can bring a fresh understanding and significant contributions to religious and societal discourses. Actively seeking and valuing women's voices is a crucial step towards attaining gender equality and smashing restrictive norms.The resources mentioned in this episode are: Visit www.BetterHelp.com/difference today to receive 10% off your first month of therapy. Explore the different classes and lessons available on BetterHelp.com, such as trauma, EMDR, and losing a pet. Sign up for therapy on www.BetterHelp.com/difference, and easily switch therapists if the first one isn't a good fit. Check out Liz Cooledge Jenkins' new book, Nice Churchy Patriarchy: Reclaiming Women's Humanity from Evangelicalism. Read Liz Cooledge Jenkins' writings on Patheos at Always Reforming and on her personal blog at lizcooledgejenkins.com Follow Liz Cooledge Jenkins on Feminism and Religion for her regular contributions. She has a Substack newsletter at: Growing Into Kinship. Listen to more episodes of the A World of Difference podcast for inspiring stories and interviews with guests who are making a difference. Consider incorporating more narrative storytelling into your own writing and communication to engage and connect with others. Reflect on your own experiences with gender and faith and consider how they have shaped your perspective. Encourage women to define what is best for themselves and to reject patronizing attitudes that limit their potential. In this episode, you will be able to:Challenging Patriarchal Power StructuresPatriarchal power structures are deeply ingrained, not only in religious communities but also in broader society. They can perpetuate gender inequality and hinder progress towards a just and inclusive world. Challenging these structures requires courage, collective action, and mindful efforts to uplift marginalized voices, fostering a shift toward equality and fairness.The key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Introduction and Sponsorship00:02:00 - Introduction of Liz Cooledge Jenkins00:05:06 - Writing Style and Personal Narrative00:07:48 - Dave's Comment on Women in Ministry00:10:49 - Reflection on College Experience00:15:20 - Neutrality and its Impact on Women in the Church00:16:40 - The Threat of Speaking Up00:18:22 - Marginalizing Voices of Change00:19:59 - The Importance of Advocacy00:21:54 - The Impact of the Barbie Movie on Gender Equality00:30:47 - Rethinking Leadership and Gender00:33:23 - Navigating Challenges in Evangelical Spaces00:36:25 - Dealing with Silencing and Marginalization00:37:58 - Reflecting on Experiences and Finding Empowerment00:41:24 - Calls to Action for Male Pastors00:47:14 - The Importance of Women's Perspectives00:47:57 - Liz's Experience in Seminary00:48:47 - Book Recommendation: "Nice. Churchy Patriarchy"00:49:11 - Difference Maker Community and Deeper ConversationsUncovering hidden storiesHidden stories are powerful narratives often overlooked or suppressed due to their challenging nature towards established norms. In the context of evangelicalism, these stories often stem from marginalized voices speaking up against patriarchal power structures. These narratives play a crucial role in fostering empathy, broadening perspective, and ultimately empowering individuals who may be experiencing similar struggles.Timestamped summary of this episode:00:00:02 - Introduction and SponsorshipLori introduces the podcast and the sponsor, BetterHelp.com, which offers therapy services. She shares her positive experience with therapy and encourages listeners to take advantage of the 10% off offer.00:02:00 - Introduction of Liz Cooledge JenkinsLori introduces Liz Cooledge Jenkins as a writer, preacher, and former college campus minister. She mentions Liz's educational background and her writing contributions to various publications. Lori also mentions Liz's new book, "Nice Churchy Patriarchy."00:05:06 - Writing Style and Personal NarrativeLori discusses how Liz chose to incorporate personal narratives into her book and why she believes stories are powerful. They also touch on the challenge of making academic writing accessible to a broader audience.00:07:48 - Dave's Comment on Women in MinistryLiz shares an experience from her college years when a church member named Dave made a patronizing comment about women in ministry. She reflects on how it made her feel and the importance of women defining what is best for themselves.00:10:49 - Reflection on College ExperienceLori asks Liz how she felt during that jarring experience as a college student and what she would say to her younger self. Liz expresses her shock and the lack of words to respond at the time, but affirms that her feelings were valid.00:15:20 - Neutrality and its Impact on Women in the ChurchThe discussion begins with the question of neutrality and its implications. The guest shares her experience in a patriarchal church and how it made it difficult for any change to occur. Speaking up for gender equality was often seen as causing trouble.00:16:40 - The Threat of Speaking UpThe conversation delves into the fear that speaking up against the system poses for those in power. Drawing parallels to the Civil Rights Movement, the guest emphasizes the importance of raising questions and advocating for change, even if it disrupts the status quo.00:18:22 - Marginalizing Voices of ChangeThe guest recounts the experience of a woman in her church who faced labeling and marginalization for pushing for gender equality. Many voices that advocate for change are squashed and silenced. It highlights the significance of those who can speak out about their experiences.00:19:59 - The Importance of AdvocacyThe conversation addresses the misconception that women should be content with their relatively better situation compared to others. The guest emphasizes the need for equality and justice, and how it is essential to dream and work towards a better world for women.00:21:54 - The Impact of the Barbie Movie on Gender EqualityThe guest reflects on the Barbie movie and its impact on addressing patriarchy directly. The powerful speech by America Ferrera's character resonated with many, highlighting the impossible expectations and the need for women to be empowered to be their00:30:47 - Rethinking Leadership and GenderThe conversation explores the socialization of women and the need to redefine what a leader looks like in terms of gender and style. It emphasizes the importance of considering women's ambitions and assertiveness positively and reexamining assumptions about leadership and gender roles.00:33:23 - Navigating Challenges in Evangelical SpacesThe discussion delves into the challenges faced by women in evangelical spaces and the difficulty of speaking up for equality. It suggests embracing agency, having conversations about experiences, and being open to the possibility of leaving if necessary to find spaces where women's gifts are valued.00:36:25 - Dealing with Silencing and MarginalizationThe conversation acknowledges the silencing and marginalization experienced by women who advocate for equality. It encourages women to find communities that take them seriously and honor their value. It reassures them that leaving an unsupportive environment is not walking away from faith and that God is present in the journey of change.00:37:58 - Reflecting on Experiences and Finding EmpowermentReflection on difficult experiences, even when women are aware that others have it worse, is deemed important. It highlights the value of processing and not being afraid to take seriously the things that feel wrong. Exploring resources from different thinkers and finding empowering expressions of faith is also recommended.00:41:24 - Calls to Action for Male PastorsMale pastors are urged to seek feedback from women in their congregations and00:47:14 - The Importance of Women's PerspectivesThe speaker acknowledges that exposure to new communities can sometimes stifle curiosity, especially in faith communities. She highlights the importance of women's perspectives, even those that contradict dominant viewpoints, in order to create a more equitable and wonderful world.00:47:57 - Liz's Experience in SeminaryThe speaker mentions Liz's book and her journey of trying to find her voice as a woman in seminary classes that were not always supportive. She emphasizes the need for women's opinions in churches, classrooms, and society at large.00:48:47 - Book Recommendation: "Nice. Churchy Patriarchy"The speaker recommends Liz's book, "Nice. Churchy Patriarchy: Reclaiming Women's Humanity from Evangelicalism," and encourages listeners to read it for themselves. The book delves into issues of patriarchy and the importance of women's perspectives.00:49:11 - Difference Maker Community and Deeper ConversationsThe speaker invites listeners to join the Difference Maker community and announces that Liz will be a part of exclusive conversations there. The community offers additional content and a platform for deeper discussions on the topics addressed in the podcast. https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com https://www.instagram.com/aworldof.difference/ https://www.facebook.com/A-World-of-Difference-613933132591673/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/aworldofdifference/ https://www.youtube.com/@aworldofdifference https://www.twitter.com/@awodpod https://www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the depths of despair, Naghmeh Panahi's story holds an unexpected twist that will leave you breathless. From the war-torn streets of her homeland to the foreign shores of America, she battled not just with oppression, but with her own sense of belonging. But it was when her husband faced imprisonment in Iran that her life took a dramatic turn, revealing a truth so shocking it will make you question everything. Prepare yourself for a journey of resilience, as Naghmeh's story unravels with a heart-wrenching open loop, leaving you eager to discover the strength she found to break free.My special guest is Naghmeh PanahiWe are thrilled to rerelease this Best of 2023 episode with Naghmeh Panahi on the A World of Difference podcast. Naghmeh's story is one of incredible strength and resilience in the face of abuse. Having experienced domestic violence and spiritual abuse within religious institutions, she has become a beacon of hope for survivors. Her book, "I Didn't Survive: Emerging Whole After Deception, Persecution, and Hidden Abuse," is a testament to her courage and determination. Naghmeh's journey from an immigrant Muslim girl from Iran to an advocate for women and children impacted by domestic abuse is truly inspiring. Through her foundation, Tahir Al Nisa, she is making a profound impact on the lives of those who have experienced similar traumas. We are honored to have Naghmeh share her story and insights on the podcast, as she empowers others to break free from abusive relationships and find their voice. Get ready for an episode filled with empowerment and inspiration.As we go through the fires of trials, we don't really survive. A lot of our way of thinking or things we didn't see before, like abuse or different things just come to light and our old self doesn't survive and we become a new person. - Naghmeh PanahiIn this episode, you will be able to: Discover the courage and strength of Naghmeh Panahi as she shares her powerful story of surviving abuse within a religious institution. Uncover the hidden nature of abuse within religious institutions and gain a deeper understanding of the complexities involved. Find hope and inspiration as you learn about the healing and recovery process for survivors of abuse within religious institutions. Gain knowledge and insight into advocating for change and holding religious institutions accountable for their actions. Empower yourself to break free from abusive relationships within religious institutions and create a life of freedom and authenticity. Uncover the Hidden AbuseAbuse takes many forms, and often, the emotional and verbal types remain hidden from sight. In religious institutions, the power dynamics can foster such mistreatment, which goes unnoticed or is deliberately neglected. Understanding the nuanced ways in which abuse can manifest is vital to identifying victims and offering them the necessary support and resources.The resources mentioned in this episode are: Listen to the A World of Difference podcast episode featuring Naghmeh Panahi's inspiring story of survival and redemption. Purchase Naghmeh Panahi's book, I Didn't Survive: Emerging Whole After Deception, Persecution, and Hidden Abuse, available now. https://naghmehpanahi.com/ Support the Tahir Al Nisa Foundation, co-founded by Naghmeh Panahi, which serves women and children impacted by domestic abuse by visiting their website and donating. https://www.tahriralnisa.org/about/naghmeh-panahi/ Learn more about the immigrant experience and the trauma faced by refugees by attending trauma recovery weekends and workshops led by experts like Naghmeh Panahi's husband. Explore the Persian culture and attend events like the Iranian New Year Festival to experience the rich traditions and learn about the history. Get involved in human rights advocacy by supporting organizations like Amnesty International and sending postcards to individuals in jail in Iran. Reflect on your own identity and the impact of being a third culture kid by exploring resources and joining support groups for individuals who have similar experiences. Educate yourself on domestic abuse and its impact by reading books and articles, attending workshops, and supporting organizations that provide resources and support for survivors. Share Naghmeh Panahi's story Abusive governments or abusive people try to control you think they try to control weak people, but it's actually sometimes it's trying to restrain strong people... women are really strong and that's why the government is so focused on shutting them down. - Naghmeh PanahiThe key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Introduction 00:01:38 - Nagmeh's Background and Book 00:05:17 - Writing the Book to Help Others 00:07:06 - Immigrant Experience 00:11:41 - Identity as a Third Culture Kid 00:16:03 - Strength of Iranian Women 00:18:11 - Restriction and Fear in the Middle East 00:19:28 - Strong Women and Resistance to Oppression 00:20:53 - Inspiring Women in the Middle East 00:22:19 - Domestic Violence and Speaking Out 00:31:45 - Naghmeh's Hope for Franklin Graham 00:33:27 - Naghmeh's Thoughts on Franklin Graham 00:34:19 - The Title of Naghmeh's Book 00:38:20 - Naghmeh's Message to Those Experiencing Abuse 00:42:55 - Paying Attention to the Body's Signals 00:47:20 - The Sacrifice of Putting People First 00:47:43 - Finding Naghmeh and Her Work 00:48:21 - Gratitude for the Connection 00:49:06 - Naghmeh's Life as a Butterfly 00:50:43 - Calls to Action Based on Naghmeh's Story Even when you have a strong force coming against you, whether it's government or it's a religious institution or whatever, you have to really be strengthened even more, be stronger to break through. - Naghmeh PanahiTimestamped summary of this episode:00:00:02 - Introduction The host introduces the podcast episode and provides a trigger warning for the guest's discussion of abuse. Listeners are advised to prioritize their mental health while listening to the episode.00:01:38 - Nagme's Background and Book Nagme Panahi is introduced as a remarkable woman who has experienced various forms of abuse. Her book, "I Didn't Survive," details her journey of emerging whole after deception, persecution, and hidden abuse.00:05:17 - Writing the Book to Help Others Nagme shares that she wrote her book to help others who may be going through similar trials and to share her story of renewal and transformation through suffering.00:07:06 - Immigrant Experience Nagme discusses her experience as an immigrant from Iran, highlighting the challenges of adjusting to a new culture and feeling like she didn't fit in. She also reflects on the trauma of war and the limited resources in her home country.00:11:41 - Identity as a Third Culture Kid Nagme shares the difficulties of navigating her identity as a third culture kid, feeling neither fully Iranian nor fully American. She discusses the unique perspective and mindset that come with living between cultures.00:16:03 - Strength of Iranian Women The guest discusses the stereotypes and misconceptions about Iranian women, highlighting their strength and resilience. She shares stories of Iranian women breaking barriers and standing up against oppression.00:18:11 - Restriction and Fear in the Middle East The conversation shifts to the restrictions faced by women in the Middle East, particularly in Afghanistan. The guest emphasizes that these restrictions are a sign of fear from those in power towards strong women who may bring about change.00:19:28 - Strong Women and Resistance to Oppression The guest mentions several strong Iranian women who have stood up to oppressive governments and religious institutions. She highlights the importance of strength and resilience when facing challenges and how these women have become voices for change.00:20:53 - Inspiring Women in the Middle East The host shares her experiences meeting incredible women in the Middle East, including Malala, and hearing their stories of education and empowerment. She acknowledges the threat these women pose to those who want to suppress their voices.00:22:19 - Domestic Violence and Speaking Out The guest opens up about her experience of domestic violence from her husband, who was seen as a Christian hero. She discusses the challenges of speaking out and the strength she found within herself to set boundaries and break free from the abuse.00:31:45 - Naghmeh's Hope for Franklin Graham Naghmeh expresses her desire for Franklin Graham to use his platform to advocate for abuse survivors and bring awareness to the issue within the church. She hopes that he will repent of his harmful views and become an ally in the fight against abuse.00:33:27 - Naghmeh's Thoughts on Franklin Graham Naghmeh clarifies that while she doesn't currently like Franklin Graham, she doesn't hate him either. She believes that his way of thinking is harmful and hopes that he will change his perspective and become an advocate for abuse survivors.00:34:19 - The Title of Naghmeh's Book Naghmeh explains that the title of her book, "I Didn't Survive," reflects the transformation she went through in breaking free from cultural and religious expectations that silenced and oppressed women. She emerged as a new person with a deeper understanding of who God is and the power she possesses.00:38:20 - Naghmeh's Message to Those Experiencing Abuse Naghmeh urges anyone experiencing abuse, whether it's in a marriage, church, or any other institution, to prioritize their own well-being and get out of the toxic environment. She emphasizes that God values individuals more than institutions and encourages victims to trust their bodies and seek help.00:42:55 - Paying Attention to the Body's Signals Naghmeh highlights the importance of listening to one's body when it comes to recognizing abuse00:47:20 - The Sacrifice of Putting People First Naghmeh discusses the importance of prioritizing people and being willing to make sacrifices for them, even if it means losing everything. She emphasizes the simplicity of this concept while acknowledging the challenges it can present.00:47:43 - Finding Naghmeh and Her Work Naghmeh shares that she now has a website where people can find information about her and her work in the Middle East. She also mentions that her name can be searched on social media to access more information.00:48:21 - Gratitude for the Connection Lori expresses her gratitude for the opportunity to get to know Naghmeh and establish a friendship. She also acknowledges the vulnerability Naghmeh has shown through her writing and shares her appreciation for it.00:49:06 - Naghmeh's Life as a Butterfly Lori reflects on Naghmeh's transformation from a caterpillar to a butterfly, symbolizing her freedom and growth. She encourages listeners to find inspiration in Naghmeh's story and highlights the lessons embedded within her narrative.00:50:43 - Calls to Action for 2024Lori acknowledges that a story like Naghmeh's can lead us to want to make changes in our own lives whether it's in New Year's Resolutions, goals or saying "goodbye" to last year's ways and "hello" to this year's new ways. https://www.youtube.com/@aworldofdifference https://www.facebook.com/A-World-of-Difference-613933132591673/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/aworldofdifference/ https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com https://www.twitter.com/@awodpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join us as we dive into the hidden world of spiritual abuse within church communities, uncovering shocking revelations and the urgent need for justice. But what happens when the very institutions meant to provide solace and support become complicit in perpetuating harm? Tune in to find out what happens next.If you're feeling frustrated and helpless because your efforts to stop abuse in your church or faith community are being ignored, then you are not alone! You may have already tried reporting the abuse to church leaders or authorities, only to see it swept under the rug or dismissed. Instead of seeing justice and accountability, you may be witnessing the perpetrators being protected and the victims being silenced. It's time to come together and take action to demand change and ensure that everyone in your community is safe and treated with respect.My special guest is Johnna Harris(Listen to part 1 of this two-part interview here.)Johnna Harris, a dedicated advocate and co-host of the Bodies behind the Bus podcast, brings a wealth of experience and empathy to the conversation around spiritual abuse in church and faith communities. Her unwavering commitment to amplifying the voices of survivors and promoting awareness is truly commendable. With a unique blend of personal insight and professional dedication, Johnna's work is making a real impact in the lives of many. Her passion for fostering healing and understanding shines through in her thoughtful approach to advocacy, making her a valuable voice in the ongoing dialogue about supporting survivors and creating positive change within faith spaces.We have to be willing to say no person is perfect, and no person is above questioning. And our church leaders, our pastors, these ministry organizations, all of them, we have a rubric for what their integrity and character should look like. That has been thrown into survivor faces over and over and over again in the SBC. It's thrown into women's faces. You cannot be here. You cannot be leading if you are a woman, because it needs to be a man. Here's what it says in the Bible. Yet we're not holding them to those standards. All I'm asking people is to actually be consistent and hold our leaders, hold our churches to the standards that we were told matter to them, that we were told matter to God. - Johnna HarrisIn this episode, you will be able to: Understand how to address Southern Baptist Convention sexual abuse. Discover survivor stories and advocacy for change. Embrace the importance of justice and accountability in faith communities. Take action against spiritual abuse within your church. Join a Patreon community for difference-makers in promoting justice. Hear survivor storiesListening to survivors' narratives is a powerful way of understanding the gravity and reality of spiritual abuse in faith communities. Each story offers a firsthand perspective that illuminates the complexity and nuance of this issue. It is through these narratives that we can become better allies, advocates, and agents of change within our communities.Listen to Part 1 of this 2 part interview with Johnna Harris. If youu haven't heard part 1, listen to it here. The resources mentioned in this episode are: Join the Defund the SBC movement by designating your donations to specific areas in your church and asking for transparency on where the money goes, especially in relation to legal fees and image management efforts. Send letters, emails, and make phone calls to church leaders and denomination policymakers to advocate for justice and transparency in handling abuse cases. Follow abuse survivors in the SBC on social media and read their stories to understand the impact and importance of seeking justice for survivors. Consider making a New Year's resolution to actively do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with God in your circle of influence, taking tangible steps to make a difference. Join the Difference Maker community on Patreon to access exclusive episodes and engage in deeper conversations about advocacy and making a difference in various spaces at www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference. Key Takeaways: Understand the impact of Southern Baptist Convention sexual abuse on individuals and communities. Hear survivor stories and learn about their advocacy efforts for change. Recognize the importance of justice and accountability within faith communities. Take actionable steps to combat spiritual abuse in church settings. Join a Patreon community for difference-makers in promoting justice and accountability in faith communities. The key moments in this episode are:00:00:00 - Introduction to Johnna Harris's advocacy work00:04:02 - Trigger warning and self-care00:08:47 - Impact of spiritual abuse on women's voices00:11:45 - Healing journey and self-care00:13:10 - Connection between Acts 29 and the SBC00:15:16 - Sexual Abuse Scandals in the SBC00:16:01 - Corruption Within the SBC00:17:48 - Samantha Killary's Lawsuit00:21:49 - Transparency with Cooperative Program Funds00:30:42 - Hope for Change00:33:33 - SBC's involvement in thwarting justice00:35:23 - The role of good people in complicity00:37:40 - Holding church leaders accountable00:41:18 - Making wrongs right00:43:38 - Taking action for justice00:49:17 - The Power of Stories and Advocacy00:49:42 - New Year's Resolution for Justice00:50:22 - Invitation to Do Justice00:51:05 - Join the Patreon Community00:52:40 - Reflecting on the Year and Making a DifferenceTimestamped summary of this episode:00:00:00 - Introduction to Johnna Harris's advocacy workJohnna Harris discusses her advocacy work on behalf of Southern Baptist Convention and the Acts 29 network survivors, focusing on survivors of spiritual abuse themselves.00:04:02 - Trigger warning and self-careThe host provides a trigger warning for the discussion on abuse and emphasizes the importance of self-care for those who have experienced religious trauma.00:08:47 - Impact of spiritual abuse on women's voicesJohnna and Lori discuss the silencing of women's voices in some religious spaces, sharing their own experiences and the challenges they faced as women in leadership roles.00:11:45 - Healing journey and self-careJohnna shares her healing journey, including therapy and avoiding retraumatization in religious settings, highlighting the importance of self-care for survivors of spiritual abuse.00:13:10 - Connection between Acts 29 and the SBCThe discussion delves into the connection between the Acts 29 network and the Southern Baptist Convention, shedding light on the lack of robust accountability structures within the SBC and its impact on survivors of spiritual abuse.00:15:16 - Sexual Abuse Scandals in the SBCDiscussion on the handling of sexual abuse within the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) and the numerous lawsuits and scandals related to survivors coming forward.00:16:01 - Corruption Within the SBCThe Guidepost report findings of corruption within the SBC in handling and reporting sexual abuse cases, with mention of multiple lawsuits in Kentucky.00:17:48 - Samantha Killary's LawsuitDetails about Samantha Killary's lawsuit, the entities involved, and the implication of the SBC's intervention potentially affecting other abuse survivors in Kentucky.00:21:49 - Impact of Cooperative Program FundsHighlighting the use of Cooperative Program funds for legal actions and the potential negative impact on abuse survivors if the Supreme Court in KY rules in favor of the SBC's stance.00:30:42 - Hope for ChangeDiscussion on the challenges of bringing about accountability and change within the SBC and other western evangelical entities, expressing a desire for positive growth within churches.00:33:33 - SBC's involvement in thwarting justiceJohnna discusses the potential impact of the Southern Baptist Convention's (SBC) amicus brief on the statute of limitations for second-party perpetrators. She highlights the potential consequences for survivors seeking justice and the disturbing reality of justice being thwarted by powerful entities.00:35:23 - The role of good people in complicityJohnna emphasizes the complicity of good people in allowing injustice to persist. She urges listeners to educate themselves and take action to hold leaders and organizations accountable for their actions, particularly in cases of abuse and cover-ups.00:37:40 - Holding church leaders accountableThe conversation delves into the need for consistency in holding church leaders accountable to the standards they espouse. Johnna urges people to consider where their tithes and donations are directed, emphasizing the importance of transparency and responsible stewardship of financial contributions.00:41:18 - Making wrongs rightThe discussion emphasizes the importance of making wrongs right and pursuing justice, rather than succumbing to "himpathy." It calls for a collective effort to address spiritual abuse and hold leaders accountable for their actions, advocating for defunding the SBC as a potentially necessary course of action.00:43:38 - Taking action for justiceJohnna encourages listeners to take action in various ways, including defunding the SBC legal efforts by designating offerings, seeking transparency in financial contributions, and advocating for abuse survivors. The conversation underscores the need for accountability and highlights the role of individuals00:49:17 - The Power of Stories and AdvocacyLori and Johnna emphasize the importance of hearing abuse survivors' stories in the SBC to understand the significance of advocating for justice. They encourage listeners to actively engage in advocacy efforts and share their ideas in a Patreon episode at www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference.00:49:42 - New Year's Resolution for JusticeLori encourages listeners to make New Year's resolutions focused on doing justice, loving mercy, and walking humbly with God. She emphasizes the importance of actively participating in advocacy efforts within their circle of influence.00:50:22 - Invitation to Do JusticeLori invites followers of God to consider how they can do justice within their denominational and church homes. She encourages listeners to join their Patreon community for deeper discussions on advocacy and making a difference.00:51:05 - Join the Patreon CommunityLori invites listeners to join their Patreon community, where they can access exclusive episodes and engage in conversations about making a difference in their respective spaces. She welcomes individuals from diverse religious backgrounds to share their perspectives.00:52:40 - Reflecting on the Year and Making a DifferenceLori encourages listeners to reflect on the past year and consider what they want to stop, start, or continue doing. She invites them to connect with her on social media to share their reflections and discuss their plans for making a difference. https://www.facebook.com/A-World-of-Difference-613933132591673/ https://www.twitter.com/@awodpod https://www.youtube.com/@aworldofdifference https://www.linkedin.com/company/aworldofdifference/ https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com https://www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Does the holiday season often leave you feeling overwhelmed and disconnected? Despite being told to simply keep busy and distracted, you still find yourself longing for a deeper sense of joy and connection. The constant hustle and bustle only leave you feeling exhausted and unfulfilled, longing for more meaningful experiences. It's time to explore a new approach that will bring you the peace and connection you've been craving.My special guest is Leslie Leyland FieldsLeslie Leyland Fields is an internationally renowned teacher, speaker, and award-winning author of 14 books, including "Your Story Matters," "The Wonder Years," and "Crossing the Waters," which earned a Christianity Today Book award in Christian Living. With three graduate degrees in English, journalism, and an MFA in creative nonfiction, Leslie has extensive experience as a founding faculty member of Seattle Pacific University's MFA program. Her books have been translated into nine languages, and her essays have appeared in various publications, earning her several evangelical press awards. Leslie's latest work, "Radiant Birth: Advent Readings for a Bright Season," offers an engaging and unique perspective on the Advent season, making her a valuable guest for today's episode.We make a difference better together. So let's create meaningful holiday traditions that increase joy and connection during the advent season. - Leslie Leyland FieldsIn this episode, you will be able to: Explore the profound insights of "Radiant Birth" for a deeper understanding of Christmas. Embrace the power of stillness to find inner peace and presence during the Advent season. Discover the significance of sharing personal stories for deeper connections and understanding. Spread love and kindness beyond your family circle for a more inclusive and compassionate holiday season. Find hope and resilience by seeking out light even in the most challenging times. The significance of sharing extends beyond mere giving and receiving during the holiday season. As evidenced by Leslie's vision for her grandchildren's generation, sharing should be about expressing love, not just within family units, but extended to the larger communities. Sharing our stories, experiences, and acts of love can act as a beacon of light in a world needing hope and unity.Exploring profound insights is a powerful way to understand the enigma of Advent. This can involve delving into the historical, personal, and global impacts of Jesus' birth, as Leslie Leyland Fields discusses in her book, Radiant Birth. Reading such works in the quiet of the dark winter months can bring a brighter perspective and provide refreshing light to our spirits.Embracing the power of stillness allows each of us to discover and authentically experience the transformative Advent season. As Leslie suggests, even few moments of quietness each day, reading a thought-provoking book or poem, can create a space for connection with God and oneself, combating holiday overwhelm. Cultivating such moments of stillness can nourish our minds and hearts and help us establish meaningful holiday traditions with our families.The resources mentioned in this episode are: Visit Leslie Leyland Fields' website at www.leslieleylandfields.com to explore her books, writings, and other resources related to writing and storytelling. Join the Difference Maker community on Patreon at www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference to access exclusive episodes, including one with Leslie, and vote on upcoming topics for the podcast. Join for as little as $5/month (cancel any time.) Purchase Leslie Leyland Fields' book Radiant Birth: Advent Readings for a Bright Season to experience the collection of literary readings, poems, and stories that bring light and radiance to the Advent season. Consider signing up for Leslie Leyland Fields' writing course or coaching services to receive guidance and support in telling your own story and bringing it to life through writing. Follow Leslie on Instagram. The key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Navigating Difficult Emotions during the Holidays00:04:34 - Writing Process and Book Selection00:08:22 - Embracing the Mystery of Advent00:11:39 - Impact of the Advent Book00:17:23 - Embracing the Radiance of God's Love00:17:53 - Overcoming Burnout in Church Culture00:21:20 - Importance of Stillness and Self-Care00:23:26 - Empowering People to Tell Their Stories00:29:22 - Getting Started with Writing00:31:13 - Meaningful Christmas Traditions00:34:23 - Reflecting on Family Traditions and Love00:35:44 - Intentional Tradition-Making00:37:13 - Love Spreading Beyond Families00:38:24 - Connecting with LeslieJoin international teacher and author Leslie Leyland Fields as she ignites a new tradition of finding light and love beyond our families this holiday season, inspiring us to create meaningful connections and joy amid darkness and challenges.Timestamped summary of this episode:00:00:02 - Navigating Difficult Emotions during the HolidaysLori acknowledges that the holidays can be a difficult time for those who have experienced loss, trauma, or abuse. She shares her personal experience of loss on December 26 and encourages listeners to seek help if needed.00:04:34 - Writing Process and Book SelectionLeslie discusses the process of selecting literary readings, including poems and stories, for the advent book. The book is divided into three sections - Jesus Born in Bethlehem, Jesus Born in Us, and Jesus in Us for the World.00:08:22 - Embracing the Mystery of AdventLeslie explains that the book is not a traditional devotional, but rather a collection of readings that invite readers to experience their own profound moments and encounters with the birth of Jesus. She emphasizes the mystery and beauty of God taking on human flesh.00:11:39 - Impact of the Advent BookLeslie shares her hope that readers will engage with the book daily, immersing themselves in the radiance and wonder of the season. She encourages readers to use the book as a tool for reflection and meditation, allowing the radiance of Advent to become a part of them beyond the immediate season.00:17:23 - Embracing the Radiance of God's LoveLeslie expresses her desire for the radiance of God's love to transcend the Advent season and become a part of readers' daily lives. She emphasizes the beauty of God's love and presence in all things00:17:53 - Overcoming Burnout in Church CultureLeslie Leyland Fields discusses the challenges of burnout culture in churches and the importance of finding stillness and quiet in the midst of busyness. She emphasizes the need for individuals to take quiet moments for themselves, especially during the Advent season.00:21:20 - Importance of Stillness and Self-CareThe conversation shifts to the topic of self-care and finding stillness amidst the busyness of life. Leslie Leyland Fields shares her own experiences as a mother and highlights the significance of taking quiet moments to connect with God's love for us.00:23:26 - Empowering People to Tell Their StoriesLeslie Leyland Fields discusses her philosophy of writing and her approach to coaching authors. She emphasizes the importance of empowering individuals to see the remarkable stories within them and to silence the voices of self-doubt and fear.00:29:22 - Getting Started with WritingLeslie Leyland Fields encourages aspiring writers to start by exploring their inner stories. She recommends her book "Your Story Matters" as a simple and profound guide to help individuals begin the writing process and tap into their unique perspectives.00:31:13 - Meaningful Christmas TraditionsLeslie Leyland Fields shares her favorite Christmas tradition of having a special Christmas Eve dinner with her family. She describes the unique and intentional meals they share, emphasizing the importance of simple and meaningful traditions that bring families together.00:34:23 - Reflecting on Family Traditions and LoveLeslie shares her childhood experience of not celebrating Christmas, leading her to intentionally create traditions with her family. She highlights the importance of love for one another and spreading it beyond the family unit.00:35:44 - Intentional Tradition-MakingLeslie emphasizes the significance of intentional tradition-making, sharing her journey from a non-celebratory childhood to anchoring her family with meaningful traditions. Her vision and hope for the future generation are rooted in the four-letter word, love.00:37:13 - Love Spreading Beyond FamiliesLeslie expresses her belief that love is not meant to be insular, but rather to bind families together and then propel them to spread love outward into the world. She finds joy in witnessing her children and grandchildren embody this love within their own families.00:38:24 - Connecting with LeslieLeslie invites listeners to visit her website, where they can find her writing and coaching services. She shares her experiences as a commercial fisherman in Alaska and encourages people to connect and say hello. https://www.linkedin.com/company/aworldofdifference/ https://www.facebook.com/A-World-of-Difference-613933132591673/ https://www.youtube.com/@aworldofdifference https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com https://www.twitter.com/@awodpod https://www.instagram.com/aworldof.difference/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the world of religion, Johnna Harris was a shining example of faith and dedication. But behind the facade of her leadership, lies a heartbreaking tale of betrayal and emotional turmoil. As she unravels her journey, Johnna's raw and candid storytelling reveals the devastating impact of religious abuse on her life. But just when it seems like all hope is lost, a surprising turn of events leaves her standing at a crossroads, unsure of what the future holds.My special guest is Johnna HarrisJohnna Harris serves as the co-host of the "Bodies Behind the Bus" podcast and is an advocate for survivors of religious abuse. Based on her personal experiences as a former staff member at a California church, Johnna actively engages in supporting survivors and recently specifically involved in supporting survivors seeking justice within the Southern Baptist Convention environment. Her involvement with Sacred Wilderness and her consistent presence on social media platforms demonstrates her commitment to listening to survivors' voices and amplifying their stories. With a deep understanding of religious abuse and its devastating effects, Johnna's work reflects her dedication to promoting healing and advocating for change in religious abuse contexts.I fully relate to and understand why someone wouldn't go there and would say, it's very relatable when you start thinking about Donald Trump. To me, when you think about how the church in America, western evangelicals, really latched on to Donald Trump and said, this is our guy. This is who we're standing behind. This is who God put in office. This is God's candidate. And a lot of us started saying, wait, has anything you've ever said to me been true? - Johnna HarrisIn this episode, you will be able to: Discover the healing power of professional support for survivors of religious abuse. Uncover the impact of spiritual abuse within religious institutions. Empower yourself through the art of storytelling and advocacy in the journey of healing. Explore the unique challenges faced by women in religious leadership roles. Learn about the devastating effects of religious abuse and how to overcome them. Discover the healing powerHealing from religious abuse is an essential aspect of reclaiming your life. This healing process often includes seeking professional help, such as the online therapy platform BetterHelp mentioned by host Lori Adams-Brown. Harnessing the healing power by taking care of oneself, working through past trauma, and seeking justice for the injustice committed can be an empowering experience that is crucial in a survivor's journey.The resources mentioned in this episode are: Visit www.betterhelp.com/difference to get 10% off your first month of professional help through Betterhelp. Tune in to the next episode of the podcast to hear more about the specific issues in the Southern Baptist Convention and Johnna's calls to action for advocacy and change. Take the time to do something nice for yourself today as an act of self-care and self-love. It's important to prioritize your own well-being. Check out the Bodies Behind the Bus podcast to listen to stories of those who have experienced abuse within the Western evangelical church and to be a part of the survivor community. But the survivor community is coming out of this religious context that's very fundamentalist. And we are definitely playing that out on each other now, outside of that, and I don't think it has to be that way. I think we can choose a better way and I think we can learn nuance. - Johnna HarrisThe key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Introduction to Johnna Harris00:03:15 - Trigger Warning and Two-Part Episode00:07:25 - Complementarianism vs. Egalitarianism00:14:59 - Investigation by Baptist Network00:16:10 - Founding Bodies Behind the Bus Podcast00:17:05 - The Complexity of Abuse and Loss of Community00:19:42 - Betrayal and Community Disbelief00:22:55 - Faith and Integrity00:26:49 - Wounded Healers and Nuance00:34:08 - Johnna's Advocacy Journey00:35:03 - Johnna's Concerns and Calls to Action00:36:33 - Using Influence for Good00:37:55 - Closing Remarks and Call to ActionI'm learning that my voice is okay, like, I can be myself. - Johnna HarrisTimestamped summary of this episode:00:00:02 - Introduction to Johnna HarrisLori introduces Jonna Harris, the co-host of Bodies behind the Bus podcast, who shares her experiences of spiritual abuse in a religious environment and her advocacy for survivors.00:03:15 - Trigger Warning and Two-Part EpisodeLori provides a trigger warning for the discussion of spiritual abuse in a religious environment and announces a two-part episode with Jonna, diving into Jonna's experiences and advocacy work.00:07:25 - Complementarianism vs. EgalitarianismJohnna explains the difference between complementarianism and egalitarianism in the evangelical church and how it influenced her role as a female worship leader.00:14:59 - Investigation by Baptist NetworkJohnna describes the absurd investigation conducted by a group of pastors from the Pacific church network, which ultimately led to her firing and the mass exodus of the church congregation.00:16:10 - Founding Bodies Behind the Bus PodcastJohnna shares how she started the Bodies Behind the Bus podcast after receiving an overwhelming response to a tweet about her experience, highlighting stories of abuse within the Western evangelical church.00:17:05 - The Complexity of Abuse and Loss of CommunityJohnna discusses the complexity of abuse, including gaslighting, grooming, and the loss of community as a survivor. She highlights the additional trauma of being discredited in a church abuse situation and the pain of losing the community she had built.00:19:42 - Betrayal and Community DisbeliefJohnna shares the heartbreaking experience of being empathized with but also told that there are "two sides" to her story, which made her feel personally attacked and misunderstood. She discusses the pain of losing the community's support and the disbelief survivors often face.00:22:55 - Faith and IntegrityJohnna reflects on her faith and how it has been tested by the actions of religious leaders. She emphasizes the importance of seeing people who claim Jesus walking in integrity and character, despite the challenges and trauma she has faced.00:26:49 - Wounded Healers and NuanceJohnna discusses the issues within the survivor community, where some individuals reenact their traumas onto others instead of healing. She emphasizes the need to embrace nuance and growth as a community and the impact of fundamentalist beliefs on the survivor community's dynamics.00:34:08 - Johnna's Advocacy JourneyLori introduces Jonna Harris and acknowledges her advocacy for abuse survivors in religious spaces. Jonna's personal experience has shaped her into an advocate, and Lori highlights the importance of her voice in bringing about change.00:35:03 - Johnna's Concerns and Calls to ActionLori highlights Jonna's concerns about issues in the Southern Baptist convention and her calls to action for change. Jonna's advocacy work focuses on centering survivors, seeking justice, and mobilizing others to join in the effort for change.00:36:33 - Using Influence for GoodLori emphasizes the impact of using one's influence and platform for advocacy, using Jonna as an example. She encourages listeners to prioritize self-care and extends an invitation to join in for the next episode to learn more about Johnna's involvement and calls to action.00:37:55 - Closing Remarks and Call to ActionLori wraps up by urging listeners to take care of themselves and acknowledges their efforts in making a difference. She invites them to tune in for the next episode to delve deeper into Johnna's initiatives, emphasizing the importance of self-care and collective action. https://www.twitter.com/@awodpod https://www.facebook.com/A-World-of-Difference-613933132591673/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/aworldofdifference/ https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com https://www.youtube.com/@aworldofdifference For those who are different and want to make a difference Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Does the experience of abuse within religious communities sound familiar to you? Have you been told to simply pray it away and forgive without addressing the pain and trauma you've endured? The weight of carrying this burden alone can be overwhelming, leaving you feeling unheard and powerless. But there is hope for healing and empowerment beyond these ineffective actions.Brave survivor turned advocate, Norma Braga Venâncio, exposes the export of abuse within Brazil's faith-based spaces, sparking a courageous fight for healing and justice against the very institutions meant to protect.In the depths of her devotion, she never anticipated the painful truth that awaited her. As she embarked on a journey of healing and self-discovery, she uncovered a reality that shattered her perception of her faith community. The unexpected twist in her story will leave you captivated and yearning for resolution. Join us as we unravel the gripping tale of Norma Braga Venâncio's courageous journey.My special guest is Norma Braga VenâncioNorma Braga Venâncio, a theologian, image consultant, and author hailing from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, is a remarkable figure in the domain of women's empowerment and theological discourse. Her profound understanding of the impact of abuse on personal theology, self-esteem, and relationships, backed by her own experiences as an abuse survivor, amplifies the authenticity and depth of her work. Norma's commitment to shedding light on the sensitive intersection of faith and abuse, coupled with her warmth and compassion, makes her an invaluable resource for those seeking healing and empowerment. Through her compelling writing and speaking, Norma has emerged as a guiding light, offering solace and insight to survivors of abuse within religious communities in Brazil and beyond.We have to be aware and protect the wife above the marriage. - Norma Braga VenâncioIn this episode, you will be able to: Uncovering the hidden truth about abuse in religious communities. Understanding the impact of neocolonialist Christianity on self-image and abuse. Embracing a holistic approach to self-esteem for empowerment. Identifying the dangers of religious power and oppression for a safer future. Building safe and healing environments for survivors to thrive. Understanding the impactThe fallout of abuse is multidimensional, touching not only the survivor's physical space but also their mental, emotional, and spiritual health. Norma's personal journey of navigating the aftermath of abuse offers a raw insight into the lasting damage. Recognizing the need for informed support, she underscores the critical need for both empathetic understanding and professional therapeutic channels for survivors to embark on their path to recovery.The resources mentioned in this episode are: Follow Norma Braga Venâncio on Twitter at @NormaBragaVenancio for more of her writing and speaking on theology, self-image, and abuse survivor advocacy. Join the A World of Difference Patreon community at patreon.com/AWorldOfDifference to access exclusive interviews, including an in-depth conversation with Norma Braga Venâncio about her personal experience as an abuse survivor and her strategies for healing. Connect with Lori Adams-Brown on Twitter at @Loriadbr and on Instagram at @LoriAdamsBrown to share your own stories of making a difference and stay updated on upcoming podcast episodes and content. Visit www.betterhelp.com/difference to get 10% off your first month of professional therapy and counseling services. Take the first step towards healing and self-care with the support of trained professionals. Educate yourself on abuse and trauma by reading books and listening to survivor stories. Understanding the impact of abuse can help you better support survivors in their healing journey. Consider amplifying the voices of abuse survivors and advocating for transparency, truth, and protection within faith-based spaces. Together, we can work towards creating safe and healing environments for all individuals. Read books about abuse, listen to stories, and let yourself be educated, because it's very important. Abuse is something that you have to be educated. It's not simple to understand. - Norma Braga VenâncioEmbracing a holistic approachAddressing abuse necessitates a comprehensive approach that considers all facets of human existence, including the cognitive, emotional, and aesthetic dimensions. Norma, amalgamating her theological and image consultation backgrounds, proposes a new paradigm. It includes healing from trauma, restoring self-image, instilling a sense of worth, and reclaiming one's identity as a significant and valued member of the community.The key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Trigger Warning and Sponsorship Message 00:02:29 - Introduction to Norma Braga Venâncio 00:04:40 - Norma's Personal Journey with Abuse and Theology 00:09:14 - Challenging Traditional Theology and Addressing Abuse 00:15:46 - Impact of Abuse on Women's Perception and Faith 00:21:52 - Neocolonialist Aspect of Christianity 00:23:43 - Theological Insight on Self-Esteem 00:26:43 - Integrating Theology and Image Consultation 00:31:06 - Dangers of Religious Power 00:37:41 - Supporting Survivors of Abuse 00:44:34 - The Church Two Movement in Brazil 00:46:16 - Impact of Abuse on Survivors 00:47:07 - Exposing Abusive Pastors 00:48:53 - The Work of Justice 00:52:55 - Exclusive Interviews and Community Don't try to save the marriage when you see the wife is being destroyed. Save the wife first. - Norma Braga VenâncioUncovering the hidden truthAbuse within religious communities often remains concealed due to the shroud of respect, trust, and reverence surrounding these institutions. In this episode, Norma Braga Venancio courageously delves into the unspoken issues, revealing the uncomfortable realities. She challenges the status quo, inspiring others to confront hidden truths that could potentially be harbingers of abuse thus, advocating for transparency in religious realms.Timestamped summary of this episode:00:00:02 - Trigger Warning and Sponsorship Message Lori gives a trigger warning about the discussion of childhood sexual abuse and introduces the episode's sponsor, Betterhelp, before sharing her personal experience with therapy.00:02:29 - Introduction to Norma Braga Venâncio Lori introduces Norma Braga Venâncio, highlighting her background as a theologian, image consultant, and abuse survivor. She praises Norma's knowledge, warmth, and expertise in addressing the intersection of theology, self-image, and abuse.00:04:40 - Norma's Personal Journey with Abuse and Theology Norma shares her personal experience of realizing her own abuse after attending a conference by Diane Langberg in 2015. She discusses the impact of abuse on her perception of self and faith, leading her to integrate theology and image consultancy to help women.00:09:14 - Challenging Traditional Theology and Addressing Abuse Norma discusses her shift in speaking to women about biblical femininity after realizing the impact of abuse. She reflects on the challenges she faced in her community after deciding to publicly address the issue of abuse and pastoral malpractice.00:15:46 - Impact of Abuse on Women's Perception and Faith Norma delves into the effects of abuse on a woman's self-perception and her relationship with faith. She emphasizes the need for a theology of image concerning women, highlighting the cultural influence of neopuritanism and its impact on Christian women's00:21:52 - Neocolonialist Aspect of Christianity Norma discusses the neocolonialist aspect of Christianity and the impact of exporting cultural aspects to South America, particularly Brazil. She emphasizes the importance of embracing beauty and art in the gospel message.00:23:43 - Theological Insight on Self-Esteem Norma delves into her theological research on idolatry, pride, and self-esteem. She emphasizes the significance of a positive self-image and its relationship to abuse, challenging traditional theological perspectives.00:26:43 - Integrating Theology and Image Consultation Norma discusses her approach to integrating theology and image consultation to help survivors of abuse rebuild their self-image. She emphasizes the importance of engaging both the left and right brain for healing.00:31:06 - Dangers of Religious Power Norma highlights the dangers of religious power and the need for awareness within religious communities. She urges individuals to learn from survivors' stories and educate themselves about abuse to better support survivors.00:37:41 - Supporting Survivors of Abuse Norma provides practical advice for supporting survivors of abuse, emphasizing the importance of prioritizing the well-being of the survivor over preserving the marriage. She encourages learning from survivors' stories and educating religious leaders about abuse.00:44:34 - The Church Two Movement in Brazil The conversation starts with a discussion about the #ChurchTwo movement in Brazil and the hope for beauty to emerge from the ashes.00:46:16 - Impact of Abuse on Survivors The impact of abuse on survivors, including the difficulty in processing trauma and the importance of speaking out and preventing abuse, is highlighted.00:47:07 - Exposing Abusive Pastors The discussion shifts to the work of a journalist in the United States who has exposed abusive pastors, and how this has impacted awareness in Brazil.00:48:53 - The Work of Justice The importance of justice, restoration, and reconciliation in addressing abuse, and the need for faith-based spaces to be places of healing and protection, is emphasized.00:52:55 - Exclusive Interviews and Community The host encourages listeners to join the difference maker community for exclusive interviews and deeper conversations about making a difference. https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com https://www.youtube.com/@aworldofdifference https://www.instagram.com/aworldof.difference/ https://www.facebook.com/A-World-of-Difference-613933132591673/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/aworldofdifference/ https://www.twitter.com/@awodpod https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com https://www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference Learn more about your ad choices. 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Join me in this thrilling episode of the A World of Difference podcast as I share my unforgettable experience of taking a birthday trip to Rio de Janeiro with my teenager. From attending a Taylor Swift concert to unexpected twists, this journey will leave you hanging on the edge of your seat, wondering how it all unfolds. Get ready for a rollercoaster ride of emotions, because sometimes, even the best-laid plans can take an unexpected turn.This episode is sponsored by Better Help.Go to www.betterhelp.com/difference today for 10% off your first month of therapy.In this episode, you will be able to: Discover how to engage teenagers in international birthday trip planning. Learn how to balance independence and guidance effectively. Maximize technology usage to enhance the trip experience. Create unforgettable moments with the power of music. Involving your teenager in the trip planning not only increases excitement but also ensures the trip aligns with their interests. - Lori Adams-BrownEngage your teen in trip planningMaking your teenager a part of the trip planning process not only sparks their enthusiasm but also caters to their specific interests, enhancing their overall experience. With their involvement, mutual interests are considered, resulting in a journey that strikes a balance between their preferences and yours. This tactic promotes valuable life skills like decision-making and financial responsibility, setting them up for future success.The resources mentioned in this episode are: Join the A World of Difference Difference Maker community on www.Patreon.com/AWorldofDifference for exclusive episodes with more detailed information on budgeting and planning for trips. Check out Lori Adams-Brown's recommended resources for parenting teenagers, including books by researchers and experts in the field. Set boundaries and rules around technology use during trips to ensure presence and engagement, while also allowing for capturing special moments through photos and videos. Plan activities and experiences that cater to your teenager's interests, whether it's adventure sports, cultural experiences, or exploring new places. Document your trip by taking photos and videos, and involve your teenager in the process to capture memories that will last a lifetime. Consider joining the A World of Difference Difference Maker community on www.Patreon.com/AWorldofDifference for access to additional content and resources related to parenting teenagers and making a difference. Explore the A World of Difference website for more episodes and resources on topics related to making a difference and embracing differences. Visit the www.Patreon.com/AWorldofDifference page to access the exclusive episode on how to travel frugally, including tips on finding affordable accommodations and using travel points. Follow A World of Difference on social media for updates Finding a win-win destination that caters to both your teenager's preferences and your own is key to a successful birthday trip. - Lori Adams-BrownTimestamped summary of this episode:00:00:02 - IntroductionLori Adams Brown introduces the podcast episode and explains that she will be discussing her recent trip to Rio de Janeiro with her teenager for their 16th birthday.00:01:07 - Tip #1: Involve Your TeenagerLori emphasizes the importance of involving the teenager in the trip planning process to increase excitement and ensure the trip aligns with their interests.00:03:08 - Tip #2: Consider Destinations for BothLori advises considering destinations that cater to both the teenager's preferences and the parent's interests to create a win-win situation. She also emphasizes the importance of balancing fun activities for the teenager with relaxation for both parties.00:03:53 - Tip #3: Budgeting and PlanningLori discusses the importance of budgeting and planning for the trip, involving the teenager in financial decision-making, and teaching them financial responsibility. She mentions that travel is a priority for her family and shares her frugal travel tips.00:07:06 - Tip #4: Balancing Independence and GuidanceLori highlights the need to find a balance between giving the teenager independence and providing guidance, especially considering their developing frontal lobes. She suggests treating the trip as a "stretch assignment" for the teenager, giving them more freedom but still offering guidance.00:13:26 - Experiencing Brazil and Taylor Swift ConcertThe host shares her experience of traveling to Brazil with her teenagers, trying new foods, and attending a Taylor Swift concert. She mentions the heat wave in Rio, where some people passed out and one person passed away. The concert was initially canceled but was able to proceed on the following night with improved conditions.00:14:46 - Special Moments at the ConcertThe host's teenager received a friendship bracelet from Sabrina Carpenter's mom and a Taylor Swift guitar pick from Taylor Swift's dad at the concert. The host expresses how special it was to experience such moments with her teenagers and overhear them sharing the experience with their friends.00:15:19 - Planning the Trip to RioThe host offers to share more details about how she planned the trip, including using points for flights and choosing a hotel in Rio. She mentions the various beach options, such as Copacabana and Ipanema, and the activities they decided to do while in Rio.00:16:04 - Birthday Trips and Collecting MemoriesThe host shares that she often asks for a trip for her birthday instead of material gifts, as she values collecting memories and experiences. She encourages listeners to share their own stories and tips for traveling with teenagers, especially for birthday trips.00:17:35 - Seasonal Celebrations and Self-CareThe host acknowledges the various celebrations happening during the holiday season and encourages listeners to enjoy time with loved ones whileBalancing independence and guidance during the trip creates a valuable opportunity for growth and strengthening the parent-teenager relationship. - Lori Adams-BrownDiscover the magic of RioRio de Janeiro offers a myriad of opportunities for an unforgettable experience, bestowing unforgettable memories and diverse cultural insights. This vibrant Brazilian city enamors visitors with its breathtaking landscapes, diverse culinary scene, and warm local population. Unveiling the magic of Rio during an international birthday trip with a teenager can solidify familial bonds and provide a valuable exposure to a vibrant global culture.Engage your teen in trip planningMaking your teenager a part of the trip planning process not only sparks their enthusiasm but also caters to their specific interests, enhancing their overall experience. With their involvement, mutual interests are considered, resulting in a journey that strikes a balance between their preferences and yours. This tactic promotes valuable life skills like decision-making and financial responsibility, setting them up for future success.Strike the perfect balanceFinding the right equilibrium between providing guidance and granting independence to your teenager on a trip can be challenging, yet deeply rewarding. This delicate balance allows them to explore, make decisions, and learn while knowing that your support is readily available. Travel experiences like these can serve as a 'stretch assignment,' allowing your teenager to broaden their horizon while still under the safety net of your presence. https://www.youtube.com/@aworldofdifference https://www.linkedin.com/company/aworldofdifference/ https://www.twitter.com/@awodpod https://www.facebook.com/A-World-of-Difference-613933132591673/ https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com For those who are different and want to make a difference Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices