

Outsider Inc.
Ian Hathaway
Outsider Inc. is dedicated to visionary leaders breaking the mold of tech entrepreneurship. Hosted by Ian Hathaway—co-author of The Startup Community Way: Evolving an Entrepreneurial Ecosystem and co-founder of seed-stage venture capital firm FOVC—each episode delivers exclusive interviews and insider insights from exceptional founders building generation-defining companies. Join us for an in-depth exploration into the real-life stories of entrepreneurs from unexpected places and backgrounds who overcame early setbacks, built resilient teams without following the traditional Silicon Valley playbook, and created thriving ecosystems in overlooked markets. Whether you’re a first-time founder, seasoned innovator, or investor, you’ll gain actionable strategies, unconventional wisdom, and practical takeaways to help you navigate your entrepreneurial journey—no matter where you come from. Join our community today by subscribing on your favorite podcast app and dive even deeper on our newsletter at outsiderinc.substack.com.
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Aug 20, 2025 • 52min
Betting on Yourself, Breaking Into Tech, & Refusing to Take No for an Answer w/ Melodie van der Baan, Co-Founder & CEO, Max Retail
In this episode of Outsider Inc., host Ian Hathaway chats with Melodie van der Baan, co-founder and CEO of Max Retail. Melodie shares her unconventional journey from skipping college to diving into real estate, losing everything in the housing crash, and then transforming into a mobile designer clothes distributor. Her challenges and experiences eventually led her to start Max Retail, a platform for converting unsold inventory into revenue, which now serves over 2,000 retailers across the U.S. The discussion highlights her perseverance, customer focus, and innovative approach to the retail industry. Show Notes: (02:41) Skipping college and diving into real estate as a teen (05:22) Losing everything in the housing crash (08:14) Life on the road: selling designer clothes from a Sprinter van (12:49) Launching a retail shop and confronting the inventory problem (18:56) Starting Max Retail during the pandemic (25:03) Breaking into Techstars after multiple attempts (32:17) Scaling to 2,000+ retailers and raising $20M+ (41:09) Lessons on persistence, resilience, and customer focus (47:56) Beyond the Bio with Melodie van der Baan ✅ Host: Ian Hathway - Co-Founder & Managing Partner, FOVC ✅ Guest: Melodie van der Baan, Co-Founder & CEO of Max Retail Produced by Spellbinder Media. Executive Produced by Bridge Five Ventures. Copyright ©️2025, Bridge Five Ventures, LLC, All rights reserved. Listen & subscribe wherever you get your podcasts or at outsiderinc.substack.com.

Aug 6, 2025 • 53min
From Visual Search Founder to Visionary VC w/ Jewel Burks Solomon, Co-Founder of Partpic & Managing Partner, Collab Capital
In this episode of Outsider Inc., host Ian Hathaway interviews Jewel Burke Solomon, a founder, investor, and community leader based in Atlanta. Jewel shares her experiences of co-founding PartPic, a startup designed to identify and replace industrial parts through visual search technology, which was later acquired by Amazon. She discusses her challenges in raising capital as a black female founder and how those experiences inspired her to become an investor. Jewel highlights her work at Google for Startups, where she helped launch the Black Founders Fund and Latino Founders Fund. She also talks about co-founding Collab Capital, a venture fund focused on building long-term wealth and trust in underserved communities. This is a story of turning hard-earned lessons into purposeful action and reimagining who gets backed in venture. Show Notes: (01:17) Jewel’s Journey with PartPic (06:27) Navigating Identity and Overcoming Bias (10:16) Early Influences and Entrepreneurial Roots (15:00) From Google to McMaster Car (20:25) The Birth of PartPic (27:28) The Decision to Sell to Amazon (30:26) Handling Post-Sale Depression (36:55) Founding Collab Capital (38:37) The Atlanta Startup Ecosystem (40:23) Mental Health Initiatives at Collab (42:10) Reflections on DEI and Future Goals (48:15) Beyond the Bio with Jewel Burks Solomon ✅ Host: Ian Hathway - Co-Founder & Managing Partner, FOVC ✅ Guest: Jewel Burks Solomon, Co-Founder of Partpic & Managing Partner, Collab Capital Produced by Spellbinder Media. Executive Produced by Bridge Five Ventures. Copyright ©️2025, Bridge Five Ventures, LLC, All rights reserved. Listen & subscribe wherever you get your podcasts or at outsiderinc.substack.com.

Jul 23, 2025 • 51min
Founder, Filmmaker, Humanitarian, & VC: Reinvention through Purpose w/ Sean O'Sullivan, Co-Founder of MapInfo & Managing GP, SOSV
This episode of Outsider Inc. features Sean O’Sullivan, Co-Founder of MapInfo & Managing General Partner of SOSV. Host Ian Hathaway leads the conversation with the digital mapping pioneer, deep tech investor, and humanitarian, as he shares his extraordinary journey from co-founding MapInfo, a revolutionary digital street mapping system, to his role in creating the term 'cloud computing' with Net Centric and beyond. Sean's path includes a stint as a freelance war journalist in Iraq and the founding of Jumpstart International, a humanitarian organization. He later launched SOSV, the most active deep tech venture capital firm focusing on climate and human health. The discussion covers the importance of mission-oriented leadership, resilience, reinvention, and the significance of purpose in driving meaningful impact. Show Notes: (03:26) Early Life and Resilience (07:58) The Birth of MapInfo (15:01) NetCentric: Pioneering Cloud Computing (23:15) From Tech to Humanitarianism in Iraq (27:11) Tragic Losses and Leadership Lessons on Purpose and Service (32:32) Transitioning Back to Tech and Investment (40:07) Building a Global Startup Ecosystem (42:51) Beyond the Bio with Sean O’Sullivan ✅ Host: Ian Hathway - Co-Founder & Managing Partner, FOVC ✅ Guest: Sean O’Sullivan, Co-Founder of MapInfo & Managing General Partner of SOSV Produced by Spellbinder Media. Executive Produced by Bridge Five Ventures. Copyright ©️2025, Bridge Five Ventures, LLC, All rights reserved. Listen & subscribe wherever you get your podcasts or at outsiderinc.substack.com.

Jul 9, 2025 • 59min
From Lagos to Birmingham: Bootstrapping to Billions and Scaling Belief Systems Through Constraints w/ Shegun Otulana, Founder & CEO of TheraNest & Harmony Venture Labs
Shegun Otulana, co-founder and CEO of TheraNest, shares his remarkable journey from Lagos to Alabama. He discusses the challenges and triumphs of bootstrapping a consulting firm and scaling TheraNest into a leader in mental health software. Shegun emphasizes innovative pricing strategies and the importance of building a remote-first culture. He also introduces Harmony Venture Labs, aimed at nurturing Birmingham's startup ecosystem, while reflecting on the influence of faith and family in his entrepreneurial path.

Jun 25, 2025 • 56min
From Hacker to Security Pioneer & Community Leader in Michigan w/ Dug Song, Co-Founder & fmr CEO, Duo Security
In this episode of Outsider Inc., host Ian Hathaway interviews Dug Song, co-founder of Duo Security, which sold to Cisco for $2.35B in 2018. Dug shares his unconventional journey from latchkey kid and hacker to leading one of Michigan’s biggest tech exits — and building a culture-first cybersecurity company grounded in empathy, usability, and trust. He reflects on the lessons of skateboarding, the art of abating risk, and why sharing the stoke matters more than chasing hype. Dug also dives into his post-exit mission: fueling Michigan’s startup flywheel and building community wealth through the Song Foundation. Show Notes: (02:31) Dug Song's Early Life and Skateboarding Passion (06:09) Dug's Introduction to Computers and Early Tech Experiences (08:34) The w00w00 Collective and Early Hacking Days (15:04) Founding Duo Security: The Vision and Challenges (21:30) Scaling Duo Security: Success Factors and Michigan's Role (33:41) Building Community and Cultivating Talent (35:36) Song Foundation's Mission and Vision (40:16) Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs (43:29) Beyond the Bio with Dug Song ✅ Host: Ian Hathway - Co-Founder & Managing Partner, FOVC ✅ Guest: Dug Song, Co-Founder & former CEO, Duo Security Produced by Spellbinder Media. Executive Produced by Bridge Five Ventures. Copyright ©️2025, Bridge Five Ventures, LLC, All rights reserved. Listen & subscribe wherever you get your podcasts or at outsiderinc.substack.com.

Jun 11, 2025 • 1h 12min
Give First, Mentorship, and Startup Communities w/ Brad Feld, Co-Founder of Foundry & Techstars
In this episode of Outsider Inc., host Ian Hathaway interviews Brad Feld, a prominent figure in venture capital and entrepreneurship. The conversation explores Feld's 'Give First' philosophy, which centers on helping others without expecting immediate returns, thereby fostering stronger communities and relationships. Feld discusses the importance of mentorship in startup ecosystems, sharing insights from the foundation of Techstars and its impact on global entrepreneurship. They also delve into personal challenges, including mental health and maintaining work-life balance, highlighting Feld’s open approach to discussing his own struggles and lessons learned. Show Notes: (03:52) The Origin of 'They Can't Kill You and They Can't Eat You' (08:22) The Power of Mentorship (15:24) Give First Philosophy (24:44) Writing 'Give First' (32:51) Brad's Move to Boulder (39:16) VC Transparency and Frustrations (42:36) The Blogging Journey (55:49) Mental Health and Entrepreneurship (01:02:40) Intentional Relationships and Personal Life (01:06:50) Beyond the Bio with Brad Feld ✅ Host: Ian Hathway - Co-Founder & Managing Partner, FOVC ✅ Guest: Brad Feld - Co-Founder of Foundry & Techstars Produced by Spellbinder Media. Executive Produced by Bridge Five Ventures. Copyright ©️2025, Bridge Five Ventures, LLC, All rights reserved. Listen & subscribe wherever you get your podcasts or at outsiderinc.substack.com.

May 28, 2025 • 45min
The Outsider Who Sparked New York’s Tech Ecosystem and Backed Multiple Billion Dollar Outcomes w/ Kevin O’Connor, Co-Founder of DoubleClick, fmr CEO of Graphiq, and Founder & GP at ScOp Venture Capital
In this episode of Outsider, Inc., host Ian Hathaway interviews Kevin O'Connor, co-founder of DoubleClick, former CEO of Graphiq, and Founder and General Partner at ScOp Venture Capital. Kevin shares insights from his remarkable career, starting from his early curiosity in electronics to forego a career as a research scientist and instead spearhead the commercial internet. He discusses the meteoric rise of DoubleClick, the birth of Silicon Alley, and his transition into startup investing and mentoring. Kevin also delves into his experience with Graphiq, his views on entrepreneurial resilience, and his current focus on helping early-stage software companies scale. His journey highlights the importance of identifying early opportunities, cultivating non-traditional talent, and navigating the evolving tech landscape beyond traditional hubs Show Notes: (02:55) Kevin's Early Life and First Venture (06:12) The Birth of DoubleClick (08:29) Navigating the Dot-Com Boom (11:20) Challenges and Growth in New York (18:09) The Dot-Com Bubble Burst (23:02) The Legacy of DoubleClick in New York's Tech Scene (24:01) Moving to Santa Barbara: A New Chapter (27:05) The Birth of Graphiq and the Knowledge Graph (29:42) Selling to Amazon and Lessons Learned (31:04) Investing in Non-Consensus Founders (39:56) Beyond the Bio with Kevin O’Connor ✅ Host: Ian Hathway - Co-Founder & Managing Partner, FOVC ✅ Guest: Kevin O’Connor - Co-Founder of DoubleClick, fmr CEO of Graphiq, and Founder & General Partner at ScOp Venture Capital Produced by Spellbinder Media. Executive Produced by Bridge Five Ventures. Copyright ©️2025, Bridge Five Ventures, LLC, All rights reserved. Listen & subscribe wherever you get your podcasts or at outsiderinc.substack.com.

May 14, 2025 • 59min
Bootstrapping to Exit, First Principles Thinking, Product Simplicity, and Mentoring the Next Generation w/ Jason Seats, Co-Founder of Slicehost & fmr CIO of Techstars
In a fascinating conversation, Jason Seats, Co-Founder of Slicehost and former CIO of Techstars, shares his entrepreneurial journey and the essence of simplicity in product design. He reflects on the unexpected acquisition by Rackspace and the challenges of integrating into a larger company. Jason emphasizes the importance of trust and partnership in startups, and the shift in the venture capital landscape over time. His insights into mentoring the next generation of entrepreneurs highlight the value of community and resilience in their journeys.

Apr 30, 2025 • 57min
Disrupting the Status Quo & Building Global Entrepreneurial Ecosystems w/ Linda Rottenberg, Co-Founder & CEO, Endeavor
On this episode of Outsider Inc., host Ian Hathaway interviews Linda Rottenberg, co-founder and CEO of Endeavor, the global organization supporting high-impact entrepreneurs in emerging markets. Linda shares her unique insights on the benefits of chaos over stability for entrepreneurship, her journey from an unlikely start in Latin America to creating a global network that has redefined entrepreneurship in over 45 countries, and the impact of fostering local role models and ecosystems. They discuss key success stories, the rise of unicorns from unexpected places, and the vital role of mentorship and reinvestment in sustaining entrepreneurial ecosystems. Linda also opens up about her personal journey, navigating male-dominated industries, and balancing professional and personal life. The episode wraps up with Linda’s bold predictions for the next 30 years of global entrepreneurship and her vision for Endeavor's future. Show Notes: (00:41) Introducing Linda Rottenberg: The Unstoppable Force (04:25) Linda's Journey: From Harvard to Latin America (06:59) The Birth of Endeavor: A Vision for Global Entrepreneurship (10:04) Early Success Stories: Building Role Models (21:00) The Multiplier Effect: Creating Sustainable Ecosystems (27:32) Global Innovations: Outsiders Becoming Pioneers (36:59) Balancing Personal and Professional Life (40:18) Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs (44:16) Future Vision for Endeavor (48:38) Beyond The Bio with Linda Rottenberg ✅ Host: Ian Hathway - Co-Founder & Managing Partner, FOVC ✅ Guest: Linda Rottenberg - Co-Founder & CEO, Endeavor Produced by Spellbinder Media. Executive Produced by Bridge Five Ventures. Copyright ©️2025, Bridge Five Ventures, LLC, All rights reserved. Listen & subscribe wherever you get your podcasts or at outsiderinc.substack.com

Apr 16, 2025 • 51min
From Central Missouri Hackathon to $5B Automation Platform w/ Wade Foster, Co-Founder & CEO, Zapier
In this episode of Outsider Inc., host Ian Hathaway sits down with Wade Foster, co-founder and CEO of Zapier, an automation platform valued at $5 billion. Wade discusses his unique path to success, starting from a typical middle-class environment in Missouri, leveraging lessons from early marketing roles, and winning a local hackathon with his initial idea. He shares insights into his journey through Y Combinator, the intentional choices behind Zapier's remote workforce, the importance of solving urgent problems, and a cautious approach to raising capital. Wade’s story offers powerful takeaways on resilience, staying focused, and holding tight to your values—especially when building a culture for a remote workforce. Show Notes: (02:07) Wade's Early Career and Startup Experience (07:00) The Birth of Zapier (11:32) Early Challenges and Breakthroughs (16:27) Joining Y Combinator (23:04) Building a Remote Workforce (28:03) Building Team Comradery Remotely (30:00) Principles for Hiring in a Remote Setup (32:08) Zapier's Unique Approach to Funding (37:02) Advice for Early-Stage Founders (42:23) Reflections on Silicon Valley and Outsider Geographies (44:58) Beyond the Bio: Personal Insights ✅ Host: Ian Hathway - Co-Founder & Managing Partner, FOVC ✅ Guest: Wade Foster - Co-Founder & CEO, Zapier Produced by Spellbinder Media. Executive Produced by Bridge Five Ventures. Copyright ©️2025, Bridge Five Ventures, LLC, All rights reserved. Listen & subscribe wherever you get your podcasts or at outsiderinc.substack.com.