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Over the past couple of decades barrel aged beers have become increasingly popular among craft beer enthusiasts. From intensely flavourful spirit barrel aged strong stouts, to more nuanced and complex sour and wild ales matured in former wine casks, the range of barrel aged beers is as breathtaking as some of the beers which eventually emerge from the barrels themselves.But as the market has become saturated with these often costly beers, and the post-pandemic, cost of living crisis driven drinker looks towards simpler, less wallet-intensive beverages, what does the future look like for this subgenre within the beer category? Who’s actually buying them? And perhaps more importantly: how are breweries making any profit from a project that takes an immense amount of time and space to produce, and is largely driven by passion?For this panel we put together a group of brewers making (in our opinion) some of the best barrel aged beers in the UK: Toby McKenzie of Macclesfield’s RedWillow Brewery, Dave McHardy of Fierce Beer in Aberdeen, and Lee Grabham of York’s appropriately named Brew York. The trio discuss everything from the processes behind their barrel aged beers, to what they think the future of the market looks like for them.

Mental health is a seldom talked about subject within the brewing industry. Perhaps this is because the demographic working within brewing skews highly male, and men are infamous for often being unable to discuss this topic adequately. Thankfully, in more recent times, the discussion is becoming more open and more frequent—valuable indeed, considering how tumultuous the past couple of years have been on our minds, as well as our bodies. In this discussion recorded at FyneFest 2022, host Matthew Curtis is joined by Miranda Hudson of Duration Brewing, Vik Stronge of Magic Rock, and Dominic Driscoll of Thornbridge. The panel discusses a range of points within the subject of mental health, from setting boundaries within the workplace, to managing the mental health of our colleagues, employees and friends, as we try to make the beer industry a safer, friendlier place to work.CW: Topics discussed include depression and alcoholism. If you’re struggling with your mental health we urge you not to suffer alone, and recommend contacting an organisation such as The Drinks Trust or The Samaritans for support.

Throughout this month we’ll be bringing you our panel discussions from FyneFest 2022, kicking off with a fantastic, in-depth conversation with Fyne Ale's managing director, Jamie Delap. Founded in 2001 by his parents Jonny and Tuggy Delap, the day-to-day running of the brewery passed on to Jamie when his father passed away in 2009. The following year, Fyne Ales held a small gathering for a few hundred people on the family farm within Glen Fyne, where the brewery is located. They even brewed a special beer for the event at 3.8% ABV, hopped with a new variety of hops from North America called Citra. The event was a huge success, and today FyneFest sees over 3000 people travel from all over Europe (and even from the US) to attend. The beer didn’t go down too badly either, and was eventually given the name Jarl. It now accounts for well over half of the brewery's total production volume. In this conversation Jamie and I discuss everything, from these origins, to how the pandemic affected the brewery, to how it's looking at taking on challenges such as the cost of living crisis, and the means of making the brewery more sustainable. Jamie is undoubtedly one of the keenest minds within the UK brewing industry, and it was a true privilege to have such an open and honest discussion about these issues during the business of the festival. We’re pleased to say we’ll be back at FyneFest in 2023, with a whole new host of guests and topics to discuss. Tickets are available now from FyneFest.com, and trust us when we say this is an event you don’t want to miss. We look forward to seeing you in the Glen later this year. Special thanks to Fyne Ales for hosting us at the event, and for being one of our pro-tier Patreon supporters. Pellicle is supported by our Patreon subscribers—please consider helping to keep our independent magazine and podcast sustainable with a monthly, or yearly donation. If you are interested in sponsoring future episodes, please get in touch.

At the beginning of the year I arrogantly tweeted that this would be my “year of podcasts.” For various reasons I ended up managing to produce less than half of my target number of 20 episodes, but I hope that those who’ve been waiting for new episodes have enjoyed what we’ve managed to publish this year. This brings us to one of my favourite, and our most popular episodes, now in its third edition: our beers, w̶i̶n̶e̶s̶ and ciders of the year. Why are wines struck out, you ask? Simply because when recording myself talking about this year's favourites I didn’t find myself vibing with my selections. I don’t want to disappoint our listeners, and I didn’t feel there was enough conviction (or indeed, knowledge) about my favourite wines of the year to warrant including them in the show. This is something I’ll figure out in future years by hopefully bringing the rest of the team into this episode somehow. Either way, I’m considering shaking up this format a little next year. What this did give me is plenty of space to talk about my favourite ciders—as well as sharing a few thoughts on how my cider drinking has changed this year. I also reveal a handful of my favourite pubs in 2022, before ploughing into another bumper beer list—with no less than 10 beers—including announcing what I'll be awarding my coveted beer of the year prize. This being our third edition I also decided to hand out a few accolades, including cider/cidermaker of the year, brewery of the year, new brewery of the year, as well as naming the beer I enjoyed more than any other over the past 12 months. Initially, these will only be revealed on the podcast, so make sure you listen in to find out which beers really rocked my world in 2022.Thanks to all of you for listening this year. Here’s to a fantastic holiday season, and a promise from me to deliver all of those long awaited episodes in 2023.Pellicle is supported by our Patreon subscribers — please consider helping to keep our independent magazine and podcast sustainable with a monthly, or yearly donation. If you are interested in sponsoring future episodes, please get in touch.

I’ve never given Birmingham the credit it’s due. The City of 1000 Trades knows and loves its beer. And yet, for some unknown reason, for many drinkers who live outside the area it doesn’t rank among the UK’s top beer towns. As I learned on my most recent visit, this sentiment is neither fair nor accurate. In reality, Birmingham has not only a thriving but a varied scene. In the town centre you can hop from proper pubs such as the Post Office Vaults or The Wellington, to craft beer joints like Tilt or Kilder, or to brewery taprooms such as Dig or Burning Soul. Like a lot of bigger cities, however, some of the best beer in modern beer culture lies beyond this periphery. Neighbourhood bars and bottle shops are becoming cornerstones of the suburban communities, as are its breweries. In Stirchley, to the south of central Birmingham, the scene is thriving, and it’s here where Glasshouse Beer Co. has made its home. Founded in 2018, the brewery has quickly established itself both locally, and in some of the more beer savvy venues around the UK. This is largely thanks to its mastery over hazy pale ales, which range from sessionable table beers, right the way through to almighty DIPAs. There’s far more to this young brewery than a bit of fuss though, and it’s already dialling in other styles, from lagers, to barrel aged sour beers. I sat down for a fun, beer fuelled chat with founder Josh Hughes, lead brewer Dave Sharp, and head of sales Josh Mitchell. We cover a lot of ground, talking about the brewery and the beers themselves, to digging into why Birmingham’s beer scene doesn’t get its fair share of the limelight. Seeing as its four blokes sat around the table (a classic beer podcast scenario, one might say) we also take time to discuss the recent reckoning within craft beer, and how groups like ours can take proper accountability and action in light of accusations of sexism and workplace abuse. Pellicle is supported by our Patreon subscribers — please consider helping to keep our independent magazine and podcast sustainable with a monthly, or yearly donation. If you are interested in sponsoring future episodes, please get in touch.

I worry about the beer industry, it sometimes keeps me awake at night. Following the unprecedented experience of the pandemic and lockdowns that changed our lives, to the newly realised cost of living crisis, the breweries and pubs we love are up against it. The reality is that many will not survive these challenges, and some already haven’t. While, relatively speaking, things have been pretty good for the past 10-15 years—during which the number of breweries in the UK has more than doubled—now, whether you’re operating a production brewery, or a hospitality business, the outlook is bleak. The cost of everything is increasing, from raw materials such as hops and malt, to chemicals, carbon dioxide, aluminum cans, and the devastating increases to utility bills. That’s even before you’ve considered your staff, and increasing their wages so they can work through this crisis too. When looking at the big picture, it feels like not only are the glory days over, but that we are yet to see the true extent of the damage this will cause to these livelihoods. But there’s always hope. Right? In this episode I decided to take a look at how the cost of living crisis is affecting the beer industry from two different perspectives. Inspired by the classic Red Dwarf episode ‘Confidence and Paranoia’ I listen to both of these internal voices, to try and make sense of what’s happening out there at the moment.This was inspired by the interview featured in this show with William Burgess, co-founder of Gan Yam Brew Co. Based in Kendal, on the edge of the Lake District. Back in February on a visit to the brewery I had the opportunity to William about what it’s like to set up a business during the middle of a pandemic, without really understanding (at this point) how the cost of living crisis was going to make things even worse. But if things are truly so awful, then why exactly are new breweries like Gan Yam deciding to make a go of it at all? Listen on to find out…This episode of The Pellicle Podcast is sponsored by Hand & Heart. We’ve partnered with them to offer listeners of The Pellicle Podcast a free 30-minute advice session. You could be a business owner wondering what the hell DEI means, an employee wanting to upskill, thinking about starting a business, or at a loss of how to develop your current business. To sign up head to www.handandheart.eu/pellicle.Pellicle is supported by our Patreon subscribers — please consider helping to keep our independent magazine and podcast sustainable with a monthly, or yearly donation.

I first met Chris Schooley, and his business partner Steve Clark, back in 2015—not long after they had established their business, Troubadour Maltings, in the city of Fort Collins, Colorado. I had visited malthouses in the UK before, and looked on in awe at their immense scale, but what I found at Troubadour was something different entirely, not just in terms of their smaller scale, but in terms of the quality and flavour of what they were producing. Initially working out of a concrete saladin box that allowed them to produce up to five tons of malt at a time, what I discovered at this little malthouse was familiarity; I saw craft beer in what they were producing. Over time, and repeated visits to the malthouse, I got to know Steve and Chris well, and they became good friends. I would love listening to Chris in particular wax lyrical about the “potential” of barley malt, so much in fact that I credit him in my book, Modern British Beer, for helping me to properly connect beer back to its agriculture. Troubadour has gradually grown into a well-regarded “craft maltster”—as they are known in the US—one of about 70 nationwide. And things didn’t slow down for them in lockdown, when they installed equipment that allowed them to triple capacity, as well as a new roaster that allows them to customise darker malts to brewers exacting specifications. Over their relatively short lifespan they’ve provided malt for large breweries like Odell, Oskar Blues, and New Belgium, as well as smaller breweries including TRVE, Cohesion, and Primitive. Honestly, you’ll have to take it from me that you can really taste the difference in Troubadour’s malt, and the beer it produces. Where often you’ll hear this ingredient forms the “backbone” of beer, for me it’s about more than that. It’s about flavour, and freshness. If you ever find yourself in Northern Colorado seek out a glass of TRVE’s Cold keller pils and taste it for yourself. Beers like this, and how maltsters like Troubadour are working closely not just with brewers, but with farmers—closing the loop on the agricultural supply chain—make me excited for what could be ahead in beer’s future. This episode of The Pellicle Podcast is sponsored by Hand & Heart. We’ve partnered with them to offer listeners of The Pellicle Podcast a free 30-minute advice session. You could be a business owner wondering what the hell DEI means, an employee wanting to upskill, thinking about starting a business, or at a loss of how to develop your current business. To sign up head to www.handandheart.eu/pelliclePellicle is supporter by our Patreon subscribers — please consider helping to keep our independent magazine and podcast sustainable with a monthly, or yearly donation.

A disclaimer: this episode of The Pellicle Podcast is intended as a piece of escapism. Since this episode was recorded in early February, a lot has changed in the world around us. As much as we don’t want to minimize this, we also accept that this is a podcast largely about beer, and other tasty beverages, and this episode is presented very much in the spirit of that.While the majority of our episodes are either driven by an interviewee, or by an idea our host wants to spend a little time mulling over, this time we’ve changed things up. Several of our regular listeners have sent in questions over the past few weeks, which over the next hour Matthew dutifully works his way through. What came as a surprise is that it afforded the opportunity to really dig into what’s happening in beer at the moment, and expand on what that might mean for makers and drinkers alike over the next few months and years. We hope you enjoy this episode. If you enjoyed it and you think we should do it again, or if you have any feedback about the podcast in general, drop us a line to matthew@pelliclemag.com. This episode of The Pellicle Podcast is sponsored by Hand & Heart. We’ve partnered with them to offer listeners of The Pellicle Podcast a free 30-minute advice session. You could be a business owner wondering what the hell DEI means, an employee wanting to upskill, thinking about starting a business, or at a loss of how to develop your current business. To sign up head to www.handandheart.eu/pellicle

Speaking of Katie Mather as both a peer, and as a friend, she is someone who continually impresses me. I first came across her work through her old blog, called The Snap and The Hiss, and was enamoured with her writing from the very first sentence. Since then she’s gone from strength to strength, producing a series of wonderfully evocative articles, and taking on editorial roles both at new wine publication Glug and here at Pellicle.Having her on board as a regular contributor alone was a thrill, and if you read her pieces such as this one on the nostalgia of burger vans, or her epic taxonomy of the British bread roll (the most read feature we’ve ever published) you’ll soon understand why. Taking her on as an associate editor deepened her connection to the work we publish. What editors do largely happens behind the curtain, but you can see her influence on pieces such as Josh Barrie’s profile of a very special branch of Londis in North London, or in my own feature about Sheffield’s Brewery of St. Mars of the Desert. We are so stoked to get to work with her, and can’t wait to see what else she brings to our little magazine.But the depth of Katie’s talents don’t end there. In late 2019, she and her husband Tom finally got the keys to their bar, Corto. Based in their hometown of Clitheroe, situated in Lancashire’s Ribble Valley, Corto is part of a new wave of bars slowly emerging within the United Kingdom. Inspired by the food and drink culture of Northern Spain, the bar merges the concepts of craft beer, natural wine, cider and delectable small plates into something that is far greater than the sum of its parts. I’m biased, but you should visit. You’ll be planning your next trip there before you’ve got halfway through your first pint, or whatever’s by the glass on that particular day.As a bonus, before the interview I dig into some of the bigger beer news that’s occurred lately. From Monster acquiring the Canarchy collective of breweries in the United States, to Lion announcing it is to sell UK acquisitions Fourpure and Magic Rock, there’s a lot to dig into. And that’s before I take the chance to chew through the BBC’s recent documentary on Scottish brewery BrewDog, and why I think its behaviour reflects badly on the entire British craft beer scene.It’s a bumper episode, and I hope you enjoy listening. Don’t forget to hit subscribe and leave a rating if you’ve got a second, as this will help more folks find the show. You might also see we’ve got a new logo thanks to our resident designer Tida Bradshaw. It felt like it was time to give the podcast a little spruce up, so we hope you like that. This episode of The Pellicle Podcast is sponsored by Hand & Heart. We’ve partnered with them to offer listeners of The Pellicle Podcast a free 30-minute advice session. You could be a business owner wondering what the hell DEI means, an employee wanting to upskill, thinking about starting a business, or at a loss of how to develop your current business. To sign up head to www.handandheart.eu/pellicleIn the show an article I wrote for Novara Media is referenced, which can be read here: https://novaramedia.com/2021/06/15/could-brewdogs-cancellation-trigger-a-reckoning-across-the-craft-beer-industry/

Look, here’s the truth. I would love it if more of you listened to my podcast, and so please accept this episode as a bribe. I want you to know what my favourite beers, wines and ciders of the year are, and I want you to revel in the joy of experiencing them as much as I did. But if you want to find out what they are, which includes no less than 17 beers (in hindsight, post-edit, I will make this smaller next year) then you’ve got to tune in. I won’t be sharing this list anywhere else.I love making this podcast, it’s become one of my favourite mediums for creativity. This has become especially the case since I switched up the format of the show towards the end of 2020. I’m stoked that those who listen to it enjoy the style, and my off the cuff riffing on our favourite beverages, and I pledge to try and record as many as I’m physically capable of in 2022.I’m especially thankful of the support of both our new sponsor, Hand & Heart, along with our generous Patreon subscribers. Thanks to them I’ve got a bit more time and space to spend more time producing podcasts this year, which means more episodes for you to enjoy! If you’re able to support our content at Pellicle, then please consider signing up to our Patreon. Every penny goes back into making more features and podcasts.Please enjoy this list of things I really enjoyed over the past 12 months, and stay tuned, because we’ve already got more episodes in post production that should be released soon!This episode of The Pellicle Podcast is sponsored by Hand & Heart. We’ve partnered with them to offer listeners of The Pellicle Podcast a free 30-minute advice session. You could be a business owner wondering what the hell DEI means, an employee wanting to upskill, thinking about starting a business, or at a loss of how to develop your current business. To sign up head to www.handandheart.eu/pellicle