
Before AGI
Artificial General Intelligence — the type of AI that reaches or even surpasses human capabilities — is an exciting topic. But what is not explored as much is an equally important question: what happens before AGI is here? That is, what should we be doing to prepare?
In Before AGI, I hope to have honest conversations about what are the goals, what are the problems, and what lies ahead as we develop AI.
Latest episodes

Jul 15, 2025 • 1h 21min
Jonathan Zittrain: AI Agents and Trust
Jonathan Zittrain, a Harvard Law professor and co-founder of the Berkman Klein Center, explores the intricate relationship between AI and human agency. He dives into the risks of autonomous decision-making by AI and the ethical implications of user privacy and rights. Zittrain shares insights on the historical lessons from internet governance, emphasizing the need for robust regulatory frameworks. He discusses how AI can empower marginalized communities while advocating for responsible innovation to maintain human judgment in our increasingly digital lives.

Jul 1, 2025 • 1h 14min
Reid Hoffman: AI and Superagency
As AI becomes more integrated into daily life, it raises urgent questions about trust, accountability, and human agency. What happens when people over-rely on AI or when helpful tools are held back by perfectionism? Can we deploy imperfect systems while still earning public confidence?Reid Hoffman, Co-Author of “Superagency: What Could Possibly Go Right with Our AI Future,” joins this episode to explore how AI can enhance, not replace, human judgment. He discusses democratic leadership, global competition, and the design choices that shape user agency. Reid also shares his perspective on long-term AI investment beyond short-term hype.03:00 - Superagency and human-centered design17:27 - Risk, regulation, and collective action21:42 - Rethinking agency in the age of agents31:18 - Trust, regulation, and system design55:09 - Building trust through real-world AI benefits1:06:07 - China’s ambition and multipolar competition1:09:00 - Investing in applied AI with real impact1:14:00 - Reid’s hope for AI engagement

Aug 23, 2024 • 1h 4min
Sendhil Mullainathan: AI and Algorithmic Bias
Sendhil Mullainathan, a respected economist and professor, tackles the complexities of AI and algorithmic bias. He highlights how AI can transform decision-making in healthcare while warning of potential pitfalls linked to biased algorithms. The discussion also explores the cognitive burdens of poverty and how they shape irrational choices. Mullainathan shares insights from his journey bridging computer science and behavioral economics, advocating for responsible AI development that prioritizes fairness and equity.

Aug 16, 2024 • 1h 28min
Luis Videgaray: AI Policy Around the World
Luis Videgaray, a professor at MIT and director of the MIT AI Policy for the World Project, discusses the intricate challenges of AI governance worldwide. He shares insights from his government experience in finance and foreign affairs, exploring the evolution of AI policy and how different countries are adapting. Videgaray emphasizes the importance of international collaboration to address safety concerns and contemplates the geopolitical dynamics between AI 'makers' and 'takers.' He also highlights the need for developing nations to gain control over AI technology.

Aug 9, 2024 • 1h 16min
Anna Makanju: AI and Government
Anna Makanju, VP of Global Affairs at OpenAI, brings her expertise from national security and foreign policy to discuss the vital role governments play in AI deployment. She highlights the need for ethical AI practices and the importance of citizen engagement in this dialogue. Anna shares insights from her global tour alongside Sam Altman, addressing how AI intersects with geopolitics, regulatory challenges, and military applications. She emphasizes the urgency of international cooperation in establishing safety norms and navigating the evolving landscape of AI.

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Aug 2, 2024 • 1h 41min
Reid Hoffman: AI and Human Collaboration
Reid Hoffman, co-founder of Inflection AI and LinkedIn, discusses the fascinating intersection of AI and human collaboration. He shares insights from his experience at OpenAI and the ethical frameworks guiding AI development. Hoffman explores the innovative use of AI digital twins and the transformative potential of technology in education and creativity. He addresses the complexities of AI companions, emphasizing the need for compassion in design. The conversation also touches on global collaboration dynamics and the importance of ethical governance in shaping the future of AI.

Jul 26, 2024 • 1h 16min
Sal Khan: AI in Education
Sal Khan, founder of Khan Academy, discusses the potential of AI in education, personalized learning, and the impact on human relationships. He explores the economics of education, standardized testing, and the future societal impacts of AI. The podcast highlights the role of AI in transforming learning experiences and the challenges and opportunities it presents in education.

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Jul 12, 2024 • 1h 19min
Erik Brynjolfsson: Economics and AI
Erik Brynjolfsson, Stanford Professor, discusses AI's potential to enhance productivity without replacing jobs. Topics include AI's impact on labor productivity, GPTs, self-driving cars, negative impacts, historical context, job markets, optimism, and strategies for a positive AI future.