

The Accountant Quits Podcast
Umar Mallam Hassam
Welcome to The Accountant Quits podcast, an idea born from an inquisitive attempt to find one’s calling. I’m Umar and I will be your host on this series where we look into the impact of blockchain in accounting.
From topics around the accounting treatment of cryptocurrencies, the new framework of triple entry accounting, the challenges at hand for audit and tax, and many more, we will look into how the profession of accounting is evolving and how accountants should prepare themselves for the future of work.
Website - www.theaccountantquits.com
From topics around the accounting treatment of cryptocurrencies, the new framework of triple entry accounting, the challenges at hand for audit and tax, and many more, we will look into how the profession of accounting is evolving and how accountants should prepare themselves for the future of work.
Website - www.theaccountantquits.com
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May 13, 2022 • 48min
Episode 31 | Michele D'Aliessi from Superfluid on Streaming Payments
Smart contracts allow the transfer of digital assets automatically without the need for manual periodic transactions, in the form of a payment stream.
Payment stream you ask? Allow me to break it down for you through a simple example.
As an employee/freelancer, you are familiar with receiving your salary/fees in the form of a lump sum transfer.
What if I told you could now receive crypto payment every second, in the form of a payment stream?
On Episode 31, I had the opportunity to speak to Michele D’Aliessi, co-founder at Superfluid.
Superfluid is pioneering the idea of programmable cash flows, or simply put, allowing a constant flow of transactions that are executed automatically on-chain.
Payment streams would be impossible to do in traditional finance and have the potential to change how money works.
Topics covered;
Michele’s story on how he first became interested with blockchain, and co-founded Superfluid (2:00)
What is Superfluid and how it works (8:00)
Basic uses cases for Superfluid protocol (subscriptions, salaries payments, dollar cost averaging, vesting) (10:37)
DeFi use cases with Ricochet for Dollar Cost Averaging & Idle Finance for optimizing yield as you earn (11:51)
NFT uses cases when buying land in the Metaverse (14:37)
How to convince my employer to receive my salary in the form of a payment stream (16:39)
Superfluid ecosystem (Diagonal, Request Finance) (23:50)
Accounting for payment streams (30:07)
Challenges faced by Superfluid for adoption (40:50)
What Michele is looking forward to in 2022 in terms of adoption (44:09)
Brought to you by
Request Finance - an all in one platform to manage and track invoices, salaries & expenses in crypto.
👉 Earn $10 in REQ tokens when you sign up using promo link at theaccountantquits.com/request
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Apr 29, 2022 • 35min
Episode 30 | Jamiel Sheikh on DeFi for CFOs
We’re currently at a tipping point. The traditional CFO with a traditional finance background may soon become obsolete , and be replaced by the progressive CFO embracing the possibilities of DeFi.
But there are no universities and there is no universal playbook offering a curriculum on how to be a Web3 CFO. To get there, it involves one being crypto curious and not being afraid to experiment by dabbling into DeFi.
To help us understand why CFOs should care about DeFi, I had the pleasure to speak to the highly sought after Jamiel Sheik.
Jamiel is the founder of Instamint a B2B NFT minting platform, also the founder of Chainhaus, a blockchain / DeFi advisory firm, an educator at Blockchain 101, an online blockchain education portal and founder of the Central Bank Digital Currency Think Tank
Topics covered;
Jamiel’s story on how he started his crypto journey and the ecosystem he founded (Instamint, Chainhaus, Blockchain NYC, CBDC Think Tank) (2:38)
Comparing Web2 and Web3 CFOs, how to transition between the two and what makes a good Web3 CFO (5:00)
Insights on how institutions should invest in DeFi, the risks, the possibilities (7:00)
Compliance issues when institutions enter DeFi (10:24)
Is permissioned DeFi the future of institutional finance? (12:27)
The future of work for CFOs (17:17)
Commercial Break from Request Finance (21:22)
Sneak peak of Jamiel’s new book, topics covered and his vision for this book (23:31)
What is Instamint, B2B NFT minting platform, and use cases (27:31)
Jamiel’s expectations for 2022, the year of DAOs and DeFi (30:44)
Brought to you by
Request Finance - an all in one platform to manage and track invoices, salaries & expenses in crypto.
👉 Earn $10 in REQ tokens when you sign up using promo link at theaccountantquits.com/request
Review
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Website
For show notes and past guests, please visit theaccountantquits.com/podcast/
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Apr 15, 2022 • 33min
Episode 29 | Kevin Ngo from Polywrap on DAO Accounting
The legal nature of DAOs is a gray zone and there is no playbook for creating a legally compliant DAO yet, but accounting can nevertheless be done right.
The accounting equation is universal and accounting principles are timeless. The only difference now is the addition of blockchain technology, and that now transactions for the DAO reside onchain.
With the number of DAOs expected to soar in the years to come, accountants are set to play a key role in the adoption of DAOs.
To discuss DAO accounting, I speak to Kevin Ngo, the DAO Accountant at Polywrap DAO.
Kevin has forged his own path into web3, by wearing many hats at Polywrap, and using the emerging web3 technological stack for the DAO’s accounting.
Topics covered;
Story of Kevin, starting at a CPA firm to becoming a freelancer (2:14)
How Kevin found out about Polywrap and went full time into DAO accounting (5:42)
Managerial accounting v/s compliance accounting for a DAO (8:29)
Difference between web2 accounting and DAO accounting (10:57)
Can DAOs offer real time accounting (12:55)
How Kevin tackles budgeting at Polywrap DAO, and shares actual spending to the community (15:02)
Challenges DAOs are facing for accounting (19:26)
Skills and knowledge for accountants to transition from web2 to web3 (21:38)
Compensation between fiat and DAO native tokens for contributors (23:49)
Tools to facilitate DAO accounting (25:55)
How should DAO contributors separate DAO income to remain compliant (27:12)
Word of advice to DAO founders to simplify accounting (29:16)
Brought to you by
Request Finance - an all in one platform to manage and track invoices, salaries & expenses in crypto.
👉 Earn $10 in REQ tokens when you sign up using promo link at theaccountantquits.com/request
Review
If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes.
Website
For show notes and past guests, please visit theaccountantquits.com/podcast/
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Apr 1, 2022 • 46min
Episode 28 | Joe David from Myna Accountants on Accounting for DeFi
The growth of financial instruments powered by DeFi is inevitable.
But if the time for DeFi has come, the accounting bodies are still in their starting block (no pun intended).
One firm that has gained traction and made a name for itself as the leading crypto accounting firm in the UK, is Myna Accountants.
& Its founder Joe David, has been devoting his working hours to provide much needed answers to crypto accounting.
Topics covered;
Joe shares his nonlinear career path, and how he founded Myna (2:24)
Why more institutions are adopting DeFi (exponential TVL growth) (6:38)
Accounting change from ETH as intangibles to CETH as receivables in decentralized lending with Compound (8:52)
Accounting challenges for liquidity mining & yield farming (12:57)
Wrapped Bitcoin and its accounting implications (16:38)
Airdrops accounted for as income (19:10)
Challenges faced by clients for DeFi adoption (22:34)
Tools like Cryptio & Request Finance facilitate crypto accounting (25:22)
Can accounting be a bottleneck for DeFi adoption (29:19)
HMRC guidance of DeFi lending and capital gains tax treatment (31:37)
Challenge for Myna Accountants to scale (34:58)
Brought to you by
Request Finance - an all in one platform to manage and track invoices, salaries & expenses in crypto.
👉 Earn $10 in REQ tokens when you sign up using promo link at theaccountantquits.com/request
Review
If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes.
Website
For show notes and past guests, please visit theaccountantquits.com/podcasts/
Follow The Accountant Quits:
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Mar 18, 2022 • 36min
Episode 27 | Maximilian Bruckner from 21e6 Capital on an Intro into DeFi
Blockchain has democratized access to financial services by removing the middleman, and fuelled a new movement with Decentralized Finance, better known as DeFi.
DeFi enables anyone in the world to have access to financial services on the internet, and uses smart contracts that replaces the intermediary such as a bank.
But no intermediary means 2 things;
The onus is now on you to manage your assets diligently and;
Recognize that you are now on a new learning journey, and will have to get accustomed to a new DeFi jargon (like what a DEX means, what is staking, is non custodial important)
To give you an intro into DeFi, I had the pleasure to have Maximilian Bruckner, the Head of Marketing & Sales at 21E6 Capital.
Topics covered;
How Maximilian became interested with blockchain (2:24)
What is DeFi (6:24)
How anyone can start with DeFi (7:53)
Compare DEX (Uniswap) with centralized exchange (9:14)
Difference between staking and liquidity mining (11:55)
Trading pairs on a DEX (14:03)
Key considerations before investing in a liquidity pool (14:57)
What is an impermanent loss (15:49)
Risks with staking (smart contract risks, lock-up risks) (17:50)
Yield farming and risks involved (22:05)
Alternative blockchain networks to start yield farming other than Ethereum (24:24)
Anchor protocol, earn 20% interest on UST deposit (25:42)
How Abracadabra.money works (27:27)
Start by downloading a metamask wallet, and send funds from centralized exchange to wallet (closing thoughts) (31:40)
👉 Brought to you by
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Earn $10 in REQ tokens when you sign up using promo link at theaccountantquits.com/request
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Feb 19, 2022 • 53min
Episode 26 | Antoine Scalia from Cryptio on Digital Assets Bookkeeping
Antoine Scalia, founder of Cryptio, dives into the world of digital asset bookkeeping. He discusses the challenges of tracking and reporting on-chain data and highlights how Cryptio automates the integration of blockchain transactions with accounting software. Antoine elaborates on the complexities of DeFi transactions and the need for robust data infrastructures. He also addresses the unique bookkeeping needs of DAOs and the importance of transparency and partnerships in the crypto space, offering a glimpse into the future of accounting in cryptocurrency.

Feb 12, 2022 • 1h 1min
Episode 25 | Bryan Peters from Sobol on The Future of Work
The onset of web3 being decentralized is fueling a paradigm shift in how work is organized on the internet, and DAOs, short for decentralized autonomous organizations, is the vehicle driving the change.
With DAOs being internet-native entities with no central management, where people are incentivized to work on common shared goals, we need new tools that allow these organizations to hold people accountable.
One of the emerging tools to address the accountability challenge is Sobol.
Sobol provides an accountability map for DAOs that enables them to organize the roles of different participating members and their respective goals.
To discuss the future of work with decentralized teams, I had the pleasure to speak to Bryan Peters, the co-founder at Sobol.
In this episode you will learn;
Why the future of work is built around the idea of decentralized teams
How Sobol provides an accountability map for DAOs
How to be incentivized working for DAOs through bounty programs today
How to build an on-chain resume and its current challenges and much more.
If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes. It takes less than 60 seconds, and it really makes a difference in helping to convince hard-to-get guests. Together we can help accountants prepare themselves for a blockchain future.
For show notes and past guests, please visit theaccountantquits.com/podcasts/
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Feb 5, 2022 • 59min
Episode 24 | Will White on a Career Change from Accountant to Web3 Architect
Ever since I started this podcast, I’ve always been looking for people with accounting backgrounds who have successfully steered their career into crypto.
For episode 24, I could not be more excited to have Will White, a Chartered Accountant, who completed his ICAEW course and has had a unique career trajectory.
Will started working at PWC where he was part of the administrators team of the famous Lehmann Brothers case, and continued to be an advisor at numerous Fintech companies, Neo Banks and Venture Capital Firms.
Will is not your typical accountant, and being also a tech enthusiast, was an early advocate for crypto.
Today Will is a founding team member at Twali, a decentralized job marketplace for freelancers.If you’re an expert in accounting, tax, legal, HR and a lot of more, Twali is building a platform to help you cross the chasm and work in Web3.
In this episode, you will learn;
The different ways to work in Web3 today;
The idea of building on chain verificable reputation;
How can contributor in DAOs earn bounties/rewards for work done;
Emerging skills for accountants and finance professionals to have for Web3 and much more.
This episode is brought to you by AuditChain - the world's first decentralized continuous audit and real time reporting protocol.
Traditional audit methodology focuses on “materiality”, not accuracy. We are constrained by time and cannot audit 100% of the transactions, and therefore we perform sampling.
AuditChain decentralizes audit and uses an independent assurance methodology that automates auditing tasks, and continuously audits 100% of the transactions.
With AuditChain, Chartered Accountants and professionals will write and own Process Control NFTs that automate internal and disclosure controls, where these NFTs pay royalties in return.
With more and more automation, accountants will increasingly find themselves becoming redundant. If you are a forward thinking CPA or Chartered Accountant, and want to participate and be in touch with the latest developments from AuditChain in decentralizing the audit profession using blockchain, you should apply for membership by visiting DCARPE Alliance.
If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes. It takes less than 60 seconds, and it really makes a difference in helping to convince hard-to-get guests. Together we can help accountants prepare themselves for a blockchain future.
For show notes and past guests, please visit theaccountantquits.com/podcasts/
Follow The Accountant Quits:
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Jan 29, 2022 • 38min
Episode 23 | Christophe Lassuyt from Request on Building a Financial Suite for Cryptocurrencies
The very nature of cryptocurrencies is that it’s peer to peer, and there is no need for an intermediary to make payments.
But to streamline and facilitate the adoption of crypto payments in a compliant way, there is the need for a whole range of financial applications to be built around.
One company which has been building in this space and garnering substantial industry growth for a while now is Request.
Request is a payment protocol that enables you to request a payment and be paid with crypto in a compliant way.
One of the first financial applications built was Request Finance, an app that now helps over 1,200 businesses in managing their crypto payments and financial operations, including leading blockchain projects like Sandbox, Aave, Maker DAO, Ocean Protocol, to mention just a few.
On Episode 23, I speak to Christophe Lassuyt, the co-founder at Request. The success story of Christophe, a former CFO turned entrepreneur, is inspiring for all accountants out there, and it’s one of the many reasons I wanted to have Christophe on the show.
In this episode, you will learn;
What is Request network and the financial applications being built on top;
An overview into Request Finance, and how it’s being used for salaries, expenses and accounting;
The future of invoicing with Defi;
The new career opportunities with web3 and much more.
This episode is brought to you by AuditChain - the world's first decentralized continuous audit and real time reporting protocol.
Traditional audit methodology focuses on “materiality”, not accuracy. We are constrained by time and cannot audit 100% of the transactions, and therefore we perform sampling.
AuditChain decentralizes audit and uses an independent assurance methodology that automates auditing tasks, and continuously audits 100% of the transactions.
With AuditChain, Chartered Accountants and professionals will write and own Process Control NFTs that automate internal and disclosure controls, where these NFTs pay royalties in return.
With more and more automation, accountants will increasingly find themselves becoming redundant. If you are a forward thinking CPA or Chartered Accountant, and want to participate and be in touch with the latest developments from AuditChain in decentralizing the audit profession using blockchain, you should apply for membership by visiting DCARPE Alliance.
If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes. It takes less than 60 seconds, and it really makes a difference in helping to convince hard-to-get guests. Together we can help accountants prepare themselves for a blockchain future.
For show notes and past guests, please visit theaccountantquits.com/podcasts/
Follow The Accountant Quits:
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LinkedIN: linkedin.com/company/the-accountant-quits
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Jan 22, 2022 • 58min
Episode 22 | Suzanne Morsfield from Lukka on Valuation of Crypto Assets
Crypto Assets are challenging the accounting bodies and standard setters around the world, since they vary greatly to the traditional assets like equities, bonds, commodities and estimating their fair value is no straightforward task. They are mostly unregulated, their markets never close and many can’t be turned into fiat currency.
One company who wants to solve the complex post trade blockchain data is Lukka, and as a crypto focused tech company, has developed a proprietary valuation methodology for crypto assets.
In this episode, I speak to Suzanne Morsfield, the Global Head of Accounting Solutions from Lukka.
Suzanne brings more than 15 years of data-driven international corporate reporting experience, and has worked for JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Ernst & Young, Thomson Reuters.
Suzanne also worked for the IFRS Foundation, where she led projects on improving financial reporting standards. Today Suzanne is contributing to bring more clarity to Crypto Assets and is co-chair of the Global Digital Asset & Cryptocurrency Association Accounting & Tax Working Group
In this episode, you will learn;
What are the challenges valuing crypto;
Why the classification method of Crypto Assets under Intangibles is criticized;
The relevance of identifying a principal market for valuation;
The valuation methodology developed by Lukka and much more.
This episode is brought to you by AuditChain - the world's first decentralized continuous audit and real time reporting protocol.
Traditional audit methodology focuses on “materiality”, not accuracy. We are constrained by time and cannot audit 100% of the transactions, and therefore we perform sampling.
AuditChain decentralizes audit and uses an independent assurance methodology that automates auditing tasks, and continuously audits 100% of the transactions.
With AuditChain, Chartered Accountants and professionals will write and own Process Control NFTs that automate internal and disclosure controls, where these NFTs pay royalties in return.
With more and more automation, accountants will increasingly find themselves becoming redundant. If you are a forward thinking CPA or Chartered Accountant, and want to participate and be in touch with the latest developments from AuditChain in decentralizing the audit profession using blockchain, you should apply for membership by visiting DCARPE Alliance.
If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes. It takes less than 60 seconds, and it really makes a difference in helping to convince hard-to-get guests. Together we can help accountants prepare themselves for a blockchain future.
For show notes and past guests, please visit theaccountantquits.com/podcasts/
Follow The Accountant Quits:
Instagram: instagram.com/theaccountantquits/
LinkedIN: linkedin.com/company/the-accountant-quits
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