

The Accountant Quits Podcast
Umar Mallam Hassam
Welcome to The Accountant Quits podcast, an idea born from an inquisitive attempt to find one’s calling. I’m Umar and I will be your host on this series where we look into the impact of blockchain in accounting.
From topics around the accounting treatment of cryptocurrencies, the new framework of triple entry accounting, the challenges at hand for audit and tax, and many more, we will look into how the profession of accounting is evolving and how accountants should prepare themselves for the future of work.
Website - www.theaccountantquits.com
From topics around the accounting treatment of cryptocurrencies, the new framework of triple entry accounting, the challenges at hand for audit and tax, and many more, we will look into how the profession of accounting is evolving and how accountants should prepare themselves for the future of work.
Website - www.theaccountantquits.com
Episodes
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Sep 18, 2023 • 28min
#51: Subscription Billing with Fiat & Crypto with Bisola Asolo from Super
If a business has a subscription pricing model and wants to accept both fiat & crypto as payments, that would mean using a combination of fiat and crypto payment gateways.
For example, Stripe works for fiat, and Coinbase Commerce works for crypto payments.
The issue here is that the merchant has to manually reconcile payments flowing through these 2 payment gateways, and so far a unified web3 billing solution did not exist.
Enter Super, a Web3 Subscription billing platform acting as a bridge between fiat and crypto payments.
Super allows you to manage your subscribers' data and their subscriptions and helps you to get rid of the manual work involved in connecting fiat and crypto payments.
On Episode 51, I spoke with its Co-Founder & CEO, Bisola Asolo.
Topics covered;
Episode intro (00:37)
Story of Bisola co-founding Super (2:20)
Subscription billing platform v/s Payment gateway (3:53)
Are web3 teams collecting payments in crypto today (7:14)
Thank you to our sponsor Cryptoworth (8:31)
What is Super, & features for subscription billing (10:05)
Onboarding new customers (12:05)
Finding 1st customers with Super (13:23)
Use cases & how clients use Super (15:13)
Thank you to our sponsor Convoy Finance (16:51)
Roadmap & upcoming milestones (18:46)
Challenges on adoption from web2 businesses (20:15)
Lessons learned in scaling a business (22:48)
Closing thoughts (24:37)
Follow The Accountant Quits:
LinkedIN: linkedin.com/company/the-accountant-quits
Twitter: twitter.com/accountantquits
Follow Super:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/trysuper_
Follow Bisola Asolo:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/bisasolo
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Aug 31, 2023 • 53min
#50: Tracking DeFi & TradFi Transactions Simultaneously with Tal Zackon from Tres Finance
The theme of this episode is tracking DeFi transactions, and providing the CFO managing their crypto treasury with how to generate a historical report of their DeFi positions, with their realized & unrealized gains/losses, interest income & losses & rewards earned.
If you’re not using a dedicated crypto tool, and having to manually retrieve the data from inspection tools, like block explorers, the monthly/annual reporting and cash flow forecasting can be very time-consuming.
On episode 50, I spoke with Tal Zackon, the Co-Founder & CEO of Tres Finance.
Tres Finance provides you with a one-source truth to track and consolidate your DeFi and TradFi transactions simultaneously and stay compliant with your accounting and audit.
Topics covered;
Episode intro (00:40)
Story of Tal co-founding Tres (2:20)
Challenges tracking on-chain transactions (8:27)
What is Tres Finance (10:59)
What is a financial data lake (15:02)
Sub ledgers v/s financial data lake (18:16)
Onboarding with Tres (19:13)
Thank you to our sponsor Convoy Finance (20:54)
Capturing onchain & offchain transactions with Tres Link (22:30)
Use cases of clients using Tres (23:30)
Automation practices & labeling (27:38)
Integration with Xero, Quickbooks, Oracle Netsuite (29:27)
Reconciliation with ERP integration (32:06)
How Tres compares to its competitors - Bitwave, Cryptio, Cryptoworth (33:05)
Banking integrations - Plaid (36:54)
Thank you to our sponsor Web3CFO Club (37:53)
Pricing with Tres (39:36)
Certification program for accounting & audit firms (44:11)
Roadmap and upcoming milestones (46:28)
Challenges for adoption (48:57)
Closing thoughts (50:15)
How to reach out to Tal (51:43)
Brought to you by
Web3CFOclub - A community of web3 CFOs sharing best practices around web3 financial operations
👉 Join now for in-person events and grow your network at theaccountantquits.com/web3cfo/
Follow The Accountant Quits:
LinkedIN: linkedin.com/company/the-accountant-quits
Twitter: twitter.com/accountantquits
Follow Tres Finance:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/TresDotFinance
Follow Tal Zackon:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/TalZackon
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Aug 18, 2023 • 52min
Episode 49 | Tarun Gupta from Coinshift on Transforming the Multi-Signature UX through Safe for simplifying Treasury Management
While Safe (previously Gnosis Safe) has become the gold standard for self-custodial wallets, anyone listening who has previously used Safe, which requires the approval of more than one user for transaction execution, would often say that the user experience is sub-optimal.
Some of the examples of the recurring pain points using a Safe alone for approving multisig transactions are that only the safe signer can create a safe transaction or that transactions cannot be easily edited without canceling the initial transaction.
One company helping crypto organisations better manage their multi-sig treasury transactions on top of Safe, is Coinshift.
Coinshift’s mission is to simplify on-chain treasury operations , whether for payments, reporting, and asset management.
On episode 49, I spoke to its Founder & CEO Tarun Gupta.
Topics Covered
Episode intro (00:40)
The story behind Coinshift (2:40)
How Safe works (7:54)
Pain points for users with Safe alone for multi-sig transactions (11:52)
Overview of Coinshift (13:18)
Thank you to our sponsor Cryptoworth (16:43)
Onboarding with Coinshift (18:22)
Pricing for Coinshift (21:36)
Proposal on Coinshift v/s transaction on Safe (23:28)
Most used chains & tokens (26:15)
Financial reporting & asset management feature (27:17)
Coinshift apps - CowSwap, Aave, LiFi, Request Finance (30:49)
How CowSwap works with Coinshift (33:18)
Integration with Request Finance (35:27 )
Why use Coinshift in combination with Request Finance (36:44)
Thank you to our sponsor Web3CFO Club (38:40)
Positioning against competitors like Utopia Labs, Multis, Parcel (40:24)
Account abstraction and onboarding the next billion of web3 users with Safe (44:37)
Closing thoughts of Tarun (49:24)
How to reach out to Tarun & Coinshift (51:03)
Brought to you by
Web3CFOclub - A community of web3 CFOs sharing best practices around web3 financial operations
👉 Join now for in-person events and grow your network at theaccountantquits.com/web3cfo/
Follow The Accountant Quits:
LinkedIN: linkedin.com/company/the-accountant-quits
Twitter: twitter.com/accountantquits
Follow Coinshift:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/0xCoinshift
Follow Tarun Gupta:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/tarungupta1475
Review
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Website
For show notes and past guests, please visit theaccountantquits.com/podcast/

Jul 23, 2023 • 37min
Episode 48 | Jozef Vogel from Ether.fi on Becoming a Web3 CFO
Jozef Vogel, the newly appointed VP of Finance and Operations at Ether.fi, shares his fascinating journey from CPA at BDO to a key player in the crypto world. He dives into the essentials of transitioning to web3, discussing vital skills for crypto accountants. Jozef highlights the unique challenges of financial management in decentralized finance, revealing how web2 tools integrate with blockchain technology. He also emphasizes emerging opportunities in Web3 for finance professionals and the importance of adaptability in this rapidly evolving landscape.

Jul 7, 2023 • 35min
Episode 47 | Mo Yang from Fuel Labs on Becoming a Web3 CFO
The ‘Becoming a Web3CFO’ Series, is where I dive into the inspiring stories of accounting & finance professionals who transitioned from TradFi to web3.
In this series, we explore their unique experiences, challenges, motivations, and career advice.
The reason I started this podcast was to inspire and prepare accountants for blockchain. If people with similar roles at similar companies have successfully transitioned to blockchain, why can’t you?
For the 1st episode of this series, I spoke with Mo Yang, The CEO & Co-Founder of Nexoa and the Group CFO at Fuel Labs.
As a Chartered Accountant and CFA charter holder, Mo started his career at traditional accounting firms like Grant Thornton and BDO, worked as a capital markets trader, undertook CFO roles at multiple web2 and web3 startups.
Topics covered;
Episode intro (00:39)
Mo’s early career path in web2 (2:44)
How Mo fell into the blockchain rabbit hole (4:12)
Pre-requisite for accountants to get crypto jobs (6:09)
Launching Nexoa, a Fractional CFO services firm (8:42)
Thank you to our sponsor Cryptoworth (11:34)
What does a Fractional CFO do (13:31)
Challenges being a web3 CFO (17:54)
Treasury Management advice for the new web3 CFO (20:03)
Thank you to our sponsor Web3CFO Club (23:01)
Tooling for web3 accounting: Cryptio & Request Finance (25:01)
Set up for wallet management (26:40)
Impact of AI on accountants & opportunities to work in web3 (29:09)
Taking time off (31:07)
Brought to you by
Web3CFOclub - A community of web3 CFOs sharing best practices around web3 financial operations
👉 Join now for in person events and grow your network at theaccountantquits.com/web3cfo/
Follow The Accountant Quits:
LinkedIN: linkedin.com/company/the-accountant-quits
Twitter: twitter.com/accountantquits
Follow Mo Yang:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/_Mo_Yang
Review
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Website
For show notes and past guests, please visit theaccountantquits.com/podcast/

May 26, 2023 • 42min
Episode 46 | Charles Naut from Rain on Crypto Corporate Cards
Many web3 projects have a significant portion of their treasury in crypto, and paying for expenses like travel bills, SaaS tools subscriptions can be a headache as offramping often comes with friction points.
Having spoken to a few founders in web3 startups & DAOs, often times these teams would rather pay for such expenses using their personal accounts, and then later get reimbursed.
But that’s a messy way to build a web3 project.
Enter Rain, a corporate card for web3 projects. Rain’s mission is to allow you to spend in crypto, without ever needing a fiat bank account.
Their platform is non-custodial, integrates with Gnosis Safe and allows you to have as many virtual cards as you’d like for your team.
On Episode 46, I spoke to its co-founder, Charles Naut.
Topics covered;
Episode intro (00:39)
Charles’s background and how he got interested with blockchain (2:25)
Where the idea for Rain came from (4:24)
Friction points around off-ramping today (10:00)
How do crypto corporate cards work with off-ramping (11:19)
ACH & Wire transfer possible with Rain (13:26)
What is Rain, and its different features (15:44)
Thank you to our sponsor Cryptoworth (17:29)
Getting onboarded & due diligence requirements (19:24)
Does Rain plan to offer rewards/cash-back programs? (20:51)
Examples of web3 projects using Rain (22:54)
Using virtual cards as a spend management tool (23:45)
New model for expenses reimbursement (26:49)
Thank you to our sponsor Web3CFO Club (28:44)
Accounting integrations with Rain (31:01)
How does Rain differentiate from competitors like Brex, Ramp, Reap, AirWallex (33:28)
Challenges faced for adoption (35:10)
Upcoming trends for crypto spend management (36:43)
How to reach out to Charles (38:18)
Follow The Accountant Quits:
LinkedIN: linkedin.com/company/the-accountant-quits
Twitter: twitter.com/accountantquits
Follow Rain:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/raincards
Follow Charles Naut:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/cnaut
Review
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Website
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May 5, 2023 • 54min
Episode 45 | Chuck Cummings from Bankless Consulting on BUIDling a Web3 Consulting Firm
Whenever I speak to people who are currently working or have worked in large accounting, investment and consulting firms, there is a recurring pattern I hear.
The distribution of wealth is heavily skewed towards those in positions of power and authority, that is the partners of these firms
Besides the disproportionate gap in remuneration, the people down the hierarchical ladder do not enjoy as much recognition for their work in these white-collar factories.
So how does a consulting turn this broken business model to make sure everyone enjoys a fair piece of the pie
Enter Bankless Consulting, the world’s first web3-native professional services consultancy.
As a DAO, 90% of their revenue generated is allocated to the project team.
On Episode 45, I spoke with Chuck Cummings, the co-founder & Head of Finance of Bankless Consulting.
Topics covered
Episode intro (00:39)
Chuck’s background and how he got interested with blockchain (2:38)
Web3 consulting firm principles on shared ownership & profit sharing (4:39)
Creation of Bankless Consulting (8:02)
Services offered - tokenomics, DAO consulting, web3 marketing strategy (10:15)
Onboarding talent (13:36)
Lessons learned from scaling a remote first consulting firm (17:12)
Thank you to our sponsor Cryptoworth (18:47)
Governance at Bankless Consulting, under a DAO model (20:21)
Examples of projects working with Bankless Consulting (24:18)
Lessons learned from invoicing in crypto/stablecoins (28:03)
Using crypto accounting tools (31:20)
Most used tools as the Head of Finance, Request Finance, Circle (33:08)
Thank you to our sponsor Web3CFO Club (36:45)
Experience from contributing to DAOs, & new career opportunities (39:16)
Social impact projects Chuck is focusing on (44:11)
Alpha on social impact projects - decentralized data marketplaces (47:42)
Maxim that Chuck lives by (50:41)
Brought to you by
Web3CFOclub - A community of web3 CFOs sharing best practices around web3 financial operations
👉 Join now for in person events and grow your network at theaccountantquits.com/web3cfo/
Follow The Accountant Quits:
LinkedIN: linkedin.com/company/the-accountant-quits
Twitter: twitter.com/accountantquits
Follow Bankless Consulting:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/banklessconsult
Follow Chuck Cummings:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/mr_cgc
Review
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Apr 24, 2023 • 29min
Episode 44 | How to become a Crypto Accountant (Best of episode)
Explore the fascinating world of crypto accounting and its impact on traditional practices. Discover how technology is reshaping the profession and why many accountants might become redundant. Learn about triple entry accounting and the inefficiencies of spreadsheets. Hear insights from industry leaders on navigating the complexities of crypto assets and emerging career opportunities in Web3. This conversation emphasizes the need for accountants to adapt, innovate, and embrace automation in an evolving landscape.

Apr 9, 2023 • 46min
Episode 43 | Geeth Jay from Cryptoworth on Data Complexities with On-Chain Transactions
Even if it’s relatively straightforward to export transactions from block explorers, how do you know for a fact that the data is complete and accurate?
Block explorers have not been designed for accounting purposes, and turning the complexities of on-chain transactions into an enterprise grade data for your accounting is quite a challenge.
Cryptoworth provides the operating system to convert the complex blockchain data from wallets, exchanges, and custodians into your accounting software to facilitate your reporting, audits and tax filings.
Cryptoworth supports around 100 blockchains, 56 exchanges, over 700 DeFi protocols and has already onboarded more than 1,200 users using their platform.
Their users include web3 industry leaders, including Aave, Axie Infinity, Celo, Moonbeam, Request Finance amongst others.
On Episode 43, I spoke with its co-founder & CEO Geeth Jay.
Topics covered;
Geeth’s background and how he got interested with blockchain (2:24)
Completeness & accuracy of transactions from block explorers (5:17)
Different block explorers for the same blockchain (6:42)
Different block explorers for different blockchains (7:56)
Reconciliation exercises (9:49)
Common transaction deviations (11:12)
Running your own nodes & indexing the data yourself (12:19)
Public v/s private blockchains (14:42)
Overview of Cryptoworth (16:35)
How to get on boarded with Cryptoworth (19:03)
Use cases for using Cryptoworth (21:13)
Difference between using Excel v/s Cryptoworth (23:06)
How is Cryptoworth different to other competitors like Cryptio, Bitwave, Consola, Tres Finance, Integral (25:38)
Joining Web3CFO Club (17:29)
Can Cryptoworth be both a crypto sub ledger & main ledger (28:32)
How does pricing work (30:41)
Features available with minimum pricing package (33:50)
Overview of Cryptoworth Alliance program (35:05)
Challenges for adoption (36:32)
Should accountants specialize on specific chains (39:04)
Roadmap in 2023 (40:09)
DeFi & NFT modules for tracking positions, income & expenses (41:13)
Closing thoughts (43:28)
Brought to you by
Web3CFOclub - A community of web3 CFOs sharing best practices around web3 financial operations
👉 Join now for in person events and grow your network at theaccountantquits.com/web3cfo/
Follow The Accountant Quits:
LinkedIN: linkedin.com/company/the-accountant-quits
Twitter: twitter.com/accountantquits
Follow Cryptoworth:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/CryptoworthApp
Follow Geeth Jay:
LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/geeth-jay-44200690/
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Mar 24, 2023 • 41min
Episode 42 | Eleni Steinman from Loop on Crypto Autopay (subscriptions, payroll)
The autopay function is prevalent in TradFi - think about all instances where payments are automated, like your subscriptions , loan repayment, salaries, utilities payment, credit card repayment.
Having to manually approve such recurring payments would be a headache for you.
Today in the web3 space, projects having a subscription pricing model have a tough time automating these recurring payments if they want to be paid in crypto.
That’s because payments in crypto right now are push payments.
One company who wants to enable automatic recurring crypto payments, without locking up funds is Loop.
With Loop, you can embed a simple payment link on your application which allows your customers to pay their recurring subscriptions - with no code required.
On Episode 42, I spoke with Loop’s CEO & Co-Founder Eleni Steinman
Topics covered;
Eleni’s background and how he got interested with blockchain (2:24)
Difference between push and pull payments (4:55)
How does Loop automate recurring payments (6:24)
How to integrate Loop (11:24)
How to allow recurring payments using Loop’s SDK & API (14:14)
Integration with ChargeBee for crypto subscriptions (15:26)
Usage based subscription model (17:55)
Invoicing & receipts automatically generated with Loop (19:09)
Joining Web3CFO Club and network with high profile web3 CFOs (21:46)
Crypto2Fiat and Fiat2Crypto autopay with Loop (23:28)
Run payroll without involving multi-sig wallet owners (25:09)
Use cases for crypto autopay (29:00)
Barriers for adoption for Loop (32:15)
What is a token allowance (33:23)
Roadmap & upcoming features (34:45)
How can a protocol like Request Network build on top of Loop (36:24)
How to reach out to Loop (37:20)
Brought to you by
Web3CFOclub - A community of web3 CFOs sharing best practices around web3 financial operations
👉 Join now for in person events and grow your network at theaccountantquits.com/web3cfo/
Follow The Accountant Quits:
LinkedIN: linkedin.com/company/the-accountant-quits
Twitter: twitter.com/accountantquits
Follow Loop:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/loopcrypto_xyz
Follow Eleini Steinman:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/EleniThinks
Review
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