We Want Them Infected Podcast

This episode of "We Want Them Infected" explores the early pandemic predictions made by Dr. John Ioannidis and the subsequent misinformation that spread from credible academic sources to conspiracy theorists and political figures. Hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orant analyze Ioannidis's claims, such as the prediction that only 40,000 Americans would die from COVID-19 and the assertion that most deaths were not directly caused by the virus. They also discuss the impact of these predictions on public perception and policy. The episode includes an open invitation for doctors criticized on the podcast to join for a civil and evidence-based debate, highlighting the importance of accurate information and scientific integrity.   List of Resources Stat News Article by Dr. John Ioannidis: "A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data" - March 17, 2020. BMJ Article by Dr. Ioannidis: "Coronavirus 2019: the harms of exaggerated information and non-evidence-based measures" - March 19, 2020. Science-Based Medicine Blog: Articles by Jonathan Howard critiquing pandemic misinformation. Fareed Zakaria Interview with Dr. Ioannidis: "Why the coronavirus models aren’t totally accurate" - April 9, 2020. Neil Ferguson's COVID-19 Model: Early pandemic predictions and their context. Fox News Segment: Mark Levin's introduction of Dr. Ioannidis and the subsequent interview. CDC Report: COVID-19 deaths and comorbidities. QAnon Social Media: Misinformation posts regarding COVID-19 death statistics. President Trump's Retweets: Amplification of COVID-19 misinformation. Santa Clara Antibody Study: Analysis and critiques of the study's findings. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss Jonathan's recent experience of being cancelled, censored, and silenced. Jonathan shares his story about being disinvited from speaking at a conference because his talk was considered "too political." The conference organizers, fearing backlash from powerful politicians and the potential negative impact on their organization, decided to cancel his talk. Jonathan challenges prominent figures like Bari Weiss, who advocate for free speech, to come to his defense. The episode critiques the misinformation spread by prominent doctors during the COVID-19 pandemic, emphasizing the contrast between genuine scientific discourse and the misleading information propagated by some well-known figures. Jonathan highlights how these doctors, despite their prestigious credentials, have contributed to the spread of COVID-19 misinformation and have influenced public health policies negatively. He contrasts their influence with that of known anti-vaxxers like Kelly Brogan, noting that while the latter's influence was predictable, the former's was more insidious due to their respected positions. The episode also underscores the real-world consequences of such misinformation, comparing it to the imaginary world these doctors seemed to inhabit. Jonathan and Wendy discuss the importance of accurate information and the dangers of allowing political influences to dictate scientific discourse. Key Points: Jonathan Howard's Cancellation: Jonathan was disinvited from a conference because his planned talk was deemed too political and potentially controversial. Challenge to Free Speech Advocates: Jonathan calls on Bari Weiss and other free speech advocates to defend his right to speak and challenge the silencing of scientific discourse. Critique of COVID-19 Misinformation: The episode criticizes doctors like Jay Bhattacharya, Vinay Prasad, and Scott Atlas for spreading misinformation about COVID-19, comparing their approach to that of known anti-vaxxers. Real-World Consequences: The discussion highlights the dangers of misinformation and the impact of political influence on scientific discourse and public health policies. Contrast with Anti-Vaxxers: The episode contrasts the influence of mainstream doctors spreading misinformation with that of known anti-vaxxers, emphasizing the former's more insidious impact due to their respected positions. Resources Mentioned: Jonathan Howard's Articles: Science Based Medicine - Platform where Jonathan publishes his articles critiquing COVID-19 misinformation. Key Figures Critiqued: Jay Bhattacharya Vinay Prasad Scott Atlas Bari Weiss John Ioannidis Martin Kulldorff Jeffrey Flier Referenced Media: JAMA Network - Journal of the American Medical Association, which hosted an interview with Jay Bhattacharya. The Hill - Publication that featured Scott Atlas's article "Re-entry after the panic." Related Movements and Concepts: "We Want Them Infected" Movement - Refers to the controversial approach of deliberately infecting young and healthy individuals to achieve herd immunity. Anti-Vaccine Movement - Mentioned in relation to Kelly Brogan and the disinformation dozen identified by the Center for Countering Digital Hate. By exploring these topics and resources, listeners can gain a deeper understanding of the complexities and controversies surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic and the broader implications for scientific discourse and public health.   Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent focus on the escalating hostility towards Dr. Anthony Fauci, spurred by political rhetoric and the divisive stances of certain doctors advocating for herd immunity. They explore the history of Fauci's comments on masks, the critiques from the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, and the broader implications of these conflicts for public health. The episode also touches on the parallels drawn between current public health debates and historical examples of persecuted scientists, emphasizing the detrimental impact of misinformation and personal attacks on public health efforts.   List of Resources Great Barrington Declaration - Website Newsweek Articles - Various critical op-eds on Dr. Fauci by Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya Science-Based Medicine - "The Road to Hitler is Paved with Masks and Vaccines" by Jonathan Howard Wikipedia - Information on Dr. Anthony Fauci and the Great Barrington Declaration Reason Magazine - Video titled "Stop Trusting Public Health" featuring Vinay Prasad Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) - COVID-19 Information National Institutes of Health (NIH) - Profile of Dr. Anthony Fauci Twitter - Official profiles of Dr. Martin Kulldorff, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and Dr. Vinay Prasad Books - "The Great Influenza" by John M. Barry, for historical context on pandemics and public health Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the pro-infection movement that supports infecting unvaccinated children to achieve herd immunity. They discuss the recent conviction of Trump and the public's reaction, highlighting the parallels between political and medical misinformation.  The episode critically examines statements made by figures like Dr. Scott Atlas and Dr. Vinay Prasad, pointing out their inconsistencies and the potential harm of their advocacy. The hosts stress the importance of relying on scientific evidence and the dangers posed by spreading misleading information.   Resources CDC COVID-19 Information: CDC World Health Organization (WHO) COVID-19 Updates: WHO Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 Tracker: Johns Hopkins Science-Based Medicine Articles: Science-Based Medicine FDA COVID-19 Vaccine Information: FDA Dr. Scott Atlas Interview with Tucker Carlson: Tucker Carlson Interview Vinay Prasad's Articles on COVID-19: Vinay Prasad ZDoggMD YouTube Channel: ZDoggMD Dr. John Ioannidis's Research: John Ioannidis National Institute of Health (NIH) COVID-19 Resources: NIH Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the problematic communication surrounding COVID-19 vaccines in 2021. They highlight the overly optimistic claims made by several doctors and how these statements contributed to public mistrust when vaccines did not completely eliminate transmission or provide long-term immunity. The episode critiques the medical community's handling of vaccine messaging and emphasizes the importance of honesty and caution in public health communications.   List of Resources: CDC COVID-19 Vaccine Information: Website: CDC COVID-19 Vaccine Information Description: The official CDC page provides up-to-date information on COVID-19 vaccines, including guidance on vaccine effectiveness, safety, and recommendations. World Health Organization (WHO) COVID-19 Vaccines: Website: WHO COVID-19 Vaccines Description: The WHO provides global information on COVID-19 vaccines, including updates on vaccine approvals, distribution, and international vaccination efforts. Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center: Website: Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center Description: Johns Hopkins offers comprehensive data and research on COVID-19, including vaccine distribution, effectiveness, and public health impacts. Nature: COVID-19 Vaccine Research: Website: Nature COVID-19 Vaccine Research Description: Nature provides access to scientific research articles and studies on COVID-19 vaccines, including their development, trials, and effectiveness. New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) COVID-19 Vaccine Articles: Website: NEJM COVID-19 Vaccine Articles Description: NEJM features peer-reviewed articles and research studies on COVID-19 vaccines, offering insights into their clinical trials and real-world effectiveness. Science-Based Medicine: COVID-19 Vaccine Debates: Website: Science-Based Medicine COVID-19 Vaccine Debates Description: This platform provides evidence-based discussions and critiques on various aspects of COVID-19 vaccines, including public health messaging and misinformation. BMJ: COVID-19 Vaccine Coverage: Website: BMJ COVID-19 Vaccine Coverage Description: The BMJ offers articles and opinion pieces on COVID-19 vaccines, addressing issues such as vaccine hesitancy, public health policies, and clinical findings. MedlinePlus: COVID-19 Vaccines: Website: MedlinePlus COVID-19 Vaccines Description: MedlinePlus provides consumer-friendly information on COVID-19 vaccines, including how they work, possible side effects, and vaccination guidelines. American Medical Association (AMA) COVID-19 Resource Center: Website: AMA COVID-19 Resource Center Description: The AMA offers resources for healthcare professionals and the public on COVID-19 vaccines, including policy updates, clinical guidance, and educational materials. Healthline: COVID-19 Vaccine Updates: Website: Healthline COVID-19 Vaccine Updates Description: Healthline provides updated news and information on COVID-19 vaccines, covering developments in vaccine research, distribution, and public health recommendations. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackle the contentious issue of school closures during the COVID-19 pandemic. They explore the narrative that school closures were merely a choice influenced by cautious politicians and unions, contrasting it with the reality that the virus itself forced many schools to shut down. The hosts discuss the devastating effects on students, teachers, and families, highlighting cases of illness, death, and the rise in COVID orphans.    They also criticize certain medical professionals for advocating mass infection strategies and collaborating with child labor proponents. The episode aims to debunk pandemic revisionism and emphasize the real costs of the pandemic on education and public health.   Resources "COVID has left thousands of U.S. children orphans. Few states are addressing the crisis," The Guardian, 2023. "New York City students are missing school in record numbers," The New York Times, 2021. "Child COVID deaths more than doubled in Florida as kids returned to the classroom," Politico, 2021. "Teen Suicide Plummeted During COVID-19 School Closures, New Study Finds," Forbes, 2023. "Let the Kids Work," Jeffrey Tucker, 2016. "Was Closing Schools an Obvious and Colossal Mistake?" Science-Based Medicine, 2022. "We Want Them Infected: The Realities of COVID-19 School Policies," We Want Them Infected Podcast, 2024. "The case against COVID tests for the young and healthy," Jay Bhattacharya and Martin Kulldorf, 2020. "Should we let children catch Omicron?" Vinay Prasad, 2022. "Leak Brownstone Institute Emails Reveal Support for Child Labor and Underage Smoking," Walker Bragman, 2022. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

The episode explores the complex narrative surrounding COVID-19's impact on cardiac health and the conflicting views on vaccine-induced myocarditis.  By examining the discourse and publications of medical conservatives, the hosts illustrate a significant discrepancy in how COVID-19 cardiac problems are portrayed compared to those related to the vaccine. Highlighting specific cases and statistical misinterpretations presented by doctors like Prasad and Mandrola, the episode argues that such narratives could lead to public misunderstanding about the risks of COVID-19 compared to the relatively minor risks associated with the vaccine. The discussion extends to the broader implications of such medical communications during crises, emphasizing the need for balanced, data-driven information.   List of Resources: Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA): Studies on COVID-19 vaccination and cardiac health. CDC Reports: Data on vaccine-induced myocarditis. Science Based Medicine: Articles analyzing medical claims and COVID-19. Medical Literature: Research papers on COVID-19 induced cardiac problems and vaccine side effects. Social Media and Public Statements: Analyses of tweets and public communications from Drs. Prasad and Mandrola.   Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/  The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the concerns around vaccine myocarditis in children, emphasizing the rarity and mild nature of this side effect in the context of broader COVID-19 impacts.  They provide a detailed analysis of the incidence and severity of COVID-19 among different age groups, underlining the disproportionate effects on black and Hispanic children.  The hosts critically examine the statistical representation of COVID-related deaths and hospitalizations, shedding light on underestimation and overestimation issues. By comparing the effects of the disease and the side effects of the vaccine, they argue for the importance of vaccination, supported by numerous studies indicating lower risks of severe outcomes from vaccination compared to infection.  The episode serves as an informative session on making informed health decisions based on scientific evidence.   List of Resources: CDC Reports and Investigations: Examination of COVID death certificates and hospitalization rates during the pandemic. "Real World Analysis: COVID-19 vaccine is strongly effective for children and adolescents during Delta and Omicron": Published study from the University of Pennsylvania, highlighting vaccine effectiveness. "IL-1RA antibodies in myocarditis after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination": Study from the New England Journal of Medicine, focusing on diagnostic criteria and outcomes "Medical Conservatives: a high rate of COVID myocarditis is 'good news'; a low rate of vaccine myocarditis is 'deeply concerning'": Article by Jonathan Howard on science-based medicine, addressing misconceptions and providing extensive references on the topic. American Heart Association and American Academy of Pediatrics Statements: Official responses to the vaccine myocarditis data, emphasizing its rarity and mild impact compared to COVID-19.   Connect with us further on https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

This episode of "We Want Them Infected" features a critical examination of the role and challenges of randomized controlled trials (RCTs) in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic. Hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orange discuss how the pandemic has tested the limits of RCTs, which are often considered the gold standard in medical research. They address the ethical concerns that arise when implementing RCTs during a crisis, such as the risk to participants and the feasibility of obtaining informed consent under emergency conditions. Jonathan shares his experience participating in an RCT for the AstraZeneca vaccine, highlighting both the personal commitment involved and the broader implications of such trials. The conversation also touches on the practical challenges faced by medical teams during the pandemic, including resource limitations and the psychological toll on healthcare workers. The hosts critique the weaponization of RCT rhetoric to undermine public health measures, discussing specific cases where RCTs were demanded as the only valid proof of effectiveness, despite the urgent need for timely action. They emphasize the importance of balancing scientific rigor with ethical responsibility and practicality, advocating for adaptive research methods that can respond to the dynamic nature of a global health emergency.   List of Resources: Journal Articles on RCTs - Research papers that discuss the methodology, outcomes, and ethical considerations of randomized controlled trials. COVID-19 Studies - A collection of published studies specifically related to COVID-19 treatments and vaccine trials. Ethics in Medical Research - Books and articles that explore ethical dilemmas in conducting medical research during pandemics. History of RCTs - Publications detailing the development and evolution of randomized controlled trials in medical science. Public Health Policy During Pandemics - Resources that examine the intersection of public health policy, research methodology, and crisis management. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com  The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.  

The focus of today’s episode turned to Dr. Vinay Prasad, a once-distinguished oncologist who has become a leading advocate for the controversial pro-infection movement. Hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent criticized Prasad's shift towards advocating for natural COVID-19 infection over vaccination in children, an approach they argue is both unethical and scientifically unfounded. The discussion highlighted Prasad's journey from a reputable medical expert to a figure promoting potentially harmful public health strategies. By tracing his public statements and writings, the hosts illustrated how his views have evolved, seemingly influenced by anti-vaccine rhetoric and the misinterpretation of scientific data. They pointed out the contradiction between Prasad's earlier professional achievements and his current advocacy, which includes supporting exposure to COVID-19 in children as a means to achieve herd immunity. The episode also touched on the broader implications of promoting such ideas, particularly the risk they pose to pediatric health and the potential erosion of public trust in vaccinations and established medical guidance. The hosts argued that this approach could lead to increased susceptibility to preventable diseases, not just for individuals but for public health at large. This stark transformation in Prasad's professional stance serves as a cautionary tale about the influence of misinformation in medicine and the delicate balance required in public health policy. As the debate over natural immunity versus vaccination continues, the episode underscores the importance of grounding public health strategies in robust scientific evidence and ethical considerations.   List of Resources Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC): Updates on COVID-19 vaccinations and health guidelines. World Health Organization (WHO): Information on global health standards and COVID-19 response. Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center: Real-time data and expert analysis on COVID-19 trends. National Institutes of Health (NIH): Research and guidelines on COVID-19 and vaccinations. Peer-reviewed medical journals (such as The Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine): Research articles on COVID-19, vaccinations, and public health policy. Books on epidemiology and public health policy: For comprehensive understanding and historical context on pandemics and health strategies. Science Based Medicine: Critical analysis of medical treatments, including debates on vaccination and natural immunity. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com  The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.    The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.   The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.   The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.   Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.   Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.