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Apr 9, 2020 • 2h 12min

So This Is Purgatory, with Special Guest Co-host Eric Holthaus

Live from quarantine! Mary and Amy talk to The Correspondent's Eric Holthaus about how to remain optimistic, the ways corona and climate do and don't intersect, and why you can't sleep on climate just because there's another catastrophe unfolding.Reading ListWe're Not Just Stopping Coronavirus, We're Building a New World, by Eric Holthaus in The Correspondent: https://thecorrespondent.com/385/we-arent-just-stopping-coronavirus-were-building-a-new-world/50968856015-625b9768Trump Moves Forward On Biggest Environmental Rollback To Date Amid Pandemic Chaos, by Alex Kaufman and Chris D'Angelo in HuffPost https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-auto-emissions_n_5e834685c5b6d38d98a50868States Quietly Pass Laws Criminalizing Fossil Fuel Protests Amid Coronavirus Chaos, by Alex Kaufman in HuffPost https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pipeline-protest-laws-coronavirus_n_5e7e7570c5b6256a7a2aab41Will Pandemic Relief Become a Petroleum Industry Slush Fund? by Amy Westervelt in Drilled News https://www.drillednews.com/post/will-pandemic-relief-become-a-petroleum-industry-slush-fundExxon Now Wants to Write the Rules for Regulating Methane Emissions, by Justin Mikulka in DeSmog https://www.desmogblog.com/2020/03/16/exxon-write-rules-regulating-methane-emissionsThe Analogy Between COVID-19 and Climate Change Is Eerily Precise, by Gilad Edelman in Wired https://www.wired.com/story/the-analogy-between-covid-19-and-climate-change-is-eerily-precise/What Climate Grief Taught Me About the Coronavirus, by Mary Annaise Heglar in The New Republic  https://newrepublic.com/article/157059/climate-grief-taught-coronavirusThe Climate Crisis Will Be Just as Shockingly Abrupt, by Melody Schreiber in The New Republic https://newrepublic.com/article/157078/climate-crisis-will-just-shockingly-abruptHere's Why We'll Never Treat the Climate Crisis With the Same Urgency as Coronavirus, by Amy Westervelt in HuffPost https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coronavirus-climate-change-fossil-fuel-profits_n_5e786da4c5b6f5b7c547329eSorry, But the Virus Shows Why There Won't Be Global Action on Climate Change, by Jason Bordoff in Foreign Policy https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-pandemic-shows-why-no-global-progress-on-climate-change/The Pandemic Isn't Fixing Climate Change, by John Sutter in CNN https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/opinions/pandemic-not-fixing-climate-change-sutter/index.htmlHow the Coronavirus Crisis May Hinder Efforts to Fight Wildfires, by Kendra Pierre Louis in The New York Times Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Apr 5, 2020 • 1h 9min

Disaster Denialism with Guest Co-Host Dr. Samantha Montano

Disasterologist Dr. Samantha Montano joins to answer all our questions about the coronavirus pandemic, what it does and doesn't tell us about climate change, and why we can't take a break from worrying about climate.Reading List:Kushner Puts Himself in Middle of White House’s Chaotic Coronavirus Response, by Peter Baker, Maggie Haberman, Zolan Kanno-Youngs and Noah Weiland, New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/jared-kushner-coronavirus-trump.htmlTrump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook, by Dan Diamond and Nahal Toosi, Politico https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285DHS wound down pandemic models before coronavirus struck, by Daniel Lippman, Politico https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/24/dhs-pandemic-coronavirus-146884Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’, by Nahal Toosi, Daniel Lippman, and Dan Diamond https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797Dr. Montano's Twitter thread on the climate-corona intersection https://twitter.com/samlmontano/status/1243622585801355271?s=21Dr. Montano's reading list: http://www.disaster-ology.com/home/2020/3/27/march-28th-covid-19-emergency-management-curated-articles-list Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Mar 22, 2020 • 1h 39min

March 22, 2020: Seeing Corona Through Climate-Colored Glasses with David Wallace-Wells

All the things the climate story has taught us, or not, about corona, with special guest co-host David Wallace-Wells. David is deputy editor of New York magazine and the author of The Uninhabitable Earth.Reading list:Coronavirus Poses Threat to Climate Action, Says Watchdog, Jillian Ambrose in the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/12/coronovirus-poses-threat-to-climate-action-says-watchdogWhat Coronavirus Teaches Us About Climate Change, David Wallace-Wells in New York Magazine https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/what-coronavirus-teaches-us-about-climate-change.htmlClimate Change Has Lessons for Fighting Corona Virus, by Somini Sengupta in The NY Times https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/climate/climate-change-coronavirus-lessons.html We’re Getting a Clearer Picture of the Climate Future and It’s Not as Bad as it Once Looked, David Wallace-Wells, New York Magazine https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/climate-change-worst-case-scenario-now-looks-unrealistic.html The Coming Avocado Politics: What Happens When the Ethno-Nationalist Right Gets Serious about the Climate Emergency, Nils Gilman in The Breakthrough https://thebreakthrough.org/journal/no-12-winter-2020/avocado-politics White Supremacy Goes Green, by Beth Gardner in The NY Times https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/28/opinion/sunday/far-right-climate-change.htmlVigilantes in Greece Say ‘No More’ to Migrants, by Martina Stevis Gridneff in The NY Times https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/world/europe/greece-turkey-migrants.html Coronavirus thread https://threader.app/thread/1220919589623803905 by Eric Feigl DingGood Grief, by Emily Atkin in Columbia Journalism Review https://www.cjr.org/special_report/good_grief.php Are We Thinking About Climate Migration All Wrong? by Alexandra Tempus in Rolling Stone https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/climate-migration-predicted-number-climate-refugees-962251/amp/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Mar 15, 2020 • 55min

March 15, 2020: Pandemic, Primaries, and Not Asking Permission, with Guest Co-Host Sarah Miller

Amidst a global pandemic and the meltdown of the U.S. Democratic primary, guest co-host Sarah Miller joins us to talk about how change gets made outside of existing systems. .Reading List; Heaven or High Water, Popula: https://popula.com/2019/04/02/heaven-or-high-water/The Movie Assassin, Popula:https://popula.com/2018/09/30/sarahs-magnum-opus/Joe Biden's Sketchy Climate Record, The New Republic: https://newrepublic.com/article/156801/joe-bidens-sketchy-climate-recordWhat Would Happen if the World Reacted to Climate Change Like It's Reacting to Coronavirus, Fast Company: https://www.fastcompany.com/90473758/what-would-happen-if-the-world-reacted-to-climate-change-like-its-reacting-to-the-coronavirusDetained at Gidimt’en: Inside the media confinement zone, Ricochet: https://ricochet.media/en/2927/detained-at-gidimten-inside-the-media-confinement-zoneA Pipeline Runs through Southern News Deserts, Columbia Journalism Review: https://www.cjr.org/covering_climate_now/atlantic-coast-pipeline-news-deserts.phpBetween the Devil and the Green New Deal, Commune: https://communemag.com/between-the-devil-and-the-green-new-deal/What Do We Do With Feelings Now That They Don't Matter Anymore?, Longreads: https://longreads.com/2020/03/11/what-do-we-do-with-feelings-now-that-they-dont-matter-anymore/Shell Is Looking Forward, New York Magazine: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/shell-climate-change.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Mar 1, 2020 • 1h 32min

Feb 2020: More Fucking Greenwashing! With Guest Co-Host Maddie Stone

Guest co-host Maddie Stone, Earther founder-turned-freelance science journalist talks us through the latest tech and climate angles. Plus: shifts in how financial reporters are talking about climate, the spread of climate misinformation, and media taps into the climate feelings of Gen Z.Transcript: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/171s0nlm8xvncu4/AAB9wsO7RJNFMnio5J3poKVva?dl=0Reading list: The High Stakes Fight Over Bolivia’s Lithium, Protocol:  https://www.protocol.com/bolivia-lithium-morales$10 Billion? In This Climate?? The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/02/jeff-bezos-will-struggle-spend-10-billion-climate-change/606733/The Jeff Bezos Climate Superpower that's Bigger than $10 Billion Earther: https://earther.gizmodo.com/the-jeff-bezos-climate-superpower-thats-bigger-than-10-1841771004Once Again, Why Fossil Fuels Are on the Wrong Side of History Real Money: https://realmoney.thestreet.com/jim-cramer/jim-cramer-once-again-why-fossil-fuels-are-on-the-wrong-side-of-history-15227698Climate has emerged as a real political issue The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/02/poll-us-voters-really-do-care-about-climate-change/606907/Trump's Biggest Vulnerability Is His Climate Change Denial Mother Jones: https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2020/02/trumps-biggest-vulnerability-is-his-climate-change-denial/Revealed: Quarter of all tweets about climate crisis written by bots The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/21/climate-tweets-twitter-bots-analysisBeware oil execs in environmentalists' clothing The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/14/oil-execs-environmentalists-bp-change-oil-climateGuardian to ban advertising from fossil fuel firms The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jan/29/guardian-to-ban-advertising-from-fossil-fuel-firms-climate-crisis#show-draft-epicsIs Your Favorite News Source Shilling for Big Oil? The Nation https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/media-fossil-fuel-ads/How climate experts think about raising children who will inherit a planet in crisis The Washington Post Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Feb 2, 2020 • 1h 33min

Jan 2020: No Chill

The first month of 2020 proves that the climate story has no chill at all. From the Australian bushfires to big important stories on everything from climate vision to radiioactive fracking, the story just keeps getting bigger and crazier. Special guest co-host Meera Subramanian joins Mary and Amy to break it all down.About Meera: Meera Subramanian is an award-winning freelance journalist whose work has been published around the world, and her first book is A River Runs Again: India’s Natural World in Crisis from the Barren Cliffs of Rajasthan to the Farmlands of Karnataka, published in 2015 by PublicAffairs. She is currently serving as the president of the Society of Environmental Journalists and the Currie C. and Thomas A. Barron Visiting Professor in the Environment and the Humanities at Princeton University.Transcript: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/171s0nlm8xvncu4/AAB9wsO7RJNFMnio5J3poKVva?dl=0Reading list:United in Change, Meera Subramanian https://orionmagazine.org/article/united-in-change/ It’s Not Just Australia, Rachel Ramirez: https://t.co/xCu8Qh7LUn?amp=1  ‘Scarier’ Than Hurricane Maria: A Deadly Earthquake Terrifies Puerto Rico https://t.co/Gwlecq5FhV?amp=1 At the 7th Democratic debate, candidates took every opportunity to talk climate, Zoya Tierstein  https://grist.org/politics/at-the-7th-democratic-debate-candidates-took-every-opportunity-to-talk-climate/For the first time, the Alarmed are now the largest of Global Warming’s Six Americas https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/for-the-first-time-the-alarmed-are-now-the-largest-of-global-warmings-six-americas/ Emily Townsend's Resignation Email https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jan/10/news-corp-employee-climate-misinformation-bushfire-coverage-email We, the Media, must take some of the blame as Australia Burns, John Birmingham https://t.co/eIp4YB9aOO?amp=1 It's Not Arson, You Absolute Fucking Morons, Brian Kahn https://earther.gizmodo.com/its-not-arson-you-absolute-fucking-morons-1840862475 Pregnant Women are Asking for Ultrasounds in Australia, Gina Rushton https://t.co/XUTwPTsdWp?amp=1 The Concession to Climate Change I Will Not Make in the Atlantic, Jedediah Britton-Purdy https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/01/becoming-parent-age-climate-crisis/604372/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share Noah’s Rainbow , James Murray https://www.businessgreen.com/blog-post/3084916/noahs-rainbow-raising-children-in-an-age-of-climate-crisis Amazon’s New Rationale for Working with Big Oil: Saving the Planet, Maddie Stone:  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Jan 10, 2020 • 2h 16min

2019: It's Go Time

2019 brought an explosion of climate coverage in a variety of forms, and from the broadest coalition of voices yet. The movement grappled with gatekeepers and finally looked honestly at its racist past. Good thing too, because with increasing disasters, growing eco-fascism, and a total absence of global political leadership on climate, we need all hands on deck. It's go time.Transcript: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/171s0nlm8xvncu4/AAB9wsO7RJNFMnio5J3poKVva?dl=0Reading list:Kanaka Maoli: Don't Mistake our Aloha for Weakness: https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/news/kanaka-maoli-do-not-mistake-our-aloha-for-weakness-c0x8lkRr90miH95TkZcfZAPlastics: The New Coal in Appalachia? https://insideclimatenews.org/news/25022019/plastics-hub-appalachian-fracking-ethane-cracker-climate-change-health-ohio-riverCop Out: https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/cop-out/I'm the 13-year-old Police Threatened to Arrest at the Kirribilli House Protest. This Is Why I Did It: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2019/dec/21/im-the-13-year-old-police-threatened-to-arrest-at-the-kirribilli-house-protest-this-is-why-i-did-it?CMP=share_btn_twEuropean colonization of Americas killed so many it cooled Earth's climate: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/31/european-colonization-of-americas-helped-cause-climate-changeThe Environmental Movement Needs to Reckon with Its Racist History: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjwvn8/the-environmental-movement-needs-to-reckon-with-its-racist-historyBlack Women Are Leaders in the Climate Movement: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/opinion/black-women-leaders-climate-movement.htmlWhat Listening Means in a Time of Climate Crisis: https://lithub.com/what-listening-means-in-a-time-of-climate-crisis/When the Hero Is the Problem: https://lithub.com/rebecca-solnit-when-the-hero-is-the-problem/Thunberg Isn't the Only Young Voice We Should Be Listening To: https://newrepublic.com/article/155861/thunberg-isnt-young-voice-listeningMeet the Young Activists of Color Who Are Leading the Charge against Climate Disaster: https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/10/11/20904791/young-climate-activists-of-colorWhy the Guardian Is Changing the Language It Uses about the Environment: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Dec 20, 2019 • 1h 39min

2018: The Wake-Up Call

2018 brought massive change to the ways we talk about climate. Global climate scientists put out the most alarming report yet on climate change impacts and projections, and media covered that report with the seriousness it deserved. The climate movement finally started moving past the hope narrative, and with megastorms ramping up and a town called Paradise burning down, climate change became impossible to ignore. Reading List: The Atlantic, The Media Barely Covered One of the Worst Storms to Hit U.S. Soil, by Alia Wong and Lenika CruzOn Being, We Need Courage, Not Hope to Face Climate Change, by Kate MarvelSlate, Who is the WE in “We Are Causing Climate Change”? by Genevieve GuentherThe New York Times Magazine, Losing Earth: The Decade We Almost Stopped Climate Change, by Nathaniel RichThe New York Times, A Man Set Himself on Fire. We Barely Noticed, by Nathan EnglanderThe Atlantic, Climate Change May Cause 26000 More U.S. Suicides by 2050, by Robinson MeyerThe Guardian Suicides of Nearly 60,000 Farmers Linked to Climate Change, Study Claims, by Michael SafiThe New York Times, A Warming World Creates Desperate People, by Lauren MarkhamThe New Republic, Climate Kings, by Samuel Miller McDonaldThe Intercept, There's Nothing Natural about Puerto Rico's Disaster, by Naomi KleinProPublica and Reveal, Flood Thy Neighbor, by Lisa Song and Patrick MichelsThe New York Times, California's Underwater Forests Are Being Eaten by the 'Cockroaches of the Ocean,' by Kendra Pierre-LouisVice, Sons of the Pre-Apocalypse, by Brian MerchantThe Guardian, Don't Despair: The climate fight is only over if you think it is, by Rebecca Solnit Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Dec 6, 2019 • 1h 26min

2016-2017 in Review: The Hangover

What happened in climate coverage in the lead-up to and aftermath of the 2016 election, how natural disasters rocked our world and our stories in 2017, Standing Rock, pieces that changed the narrative forever, and more.Stories discussed in this ep:ProPublica, "Houston's Perfect Storm" https://projects.propublica.org/houston/Rolling Stone, “Can New York Be Saved in the Era of Global Warming?” https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/can-new-york-be-saved-in-the-era-of-global-warming-240454/Sierra Magazine, “How Can We Talk about Global Warming” https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/how-can-we-talk-about-global-warming Chicago Review of Books cli-fi column https://chireviewofbooks.com/2017/04/13/11-climate-fiction-authors-favorite-books/Standing Rock; Eviction Letter to the Army Corps of Engineers by Harold Frazier of the Sioux http://nativenewsonline.net/currents/cheyenne-river-sioux-tribe-reacts-u-s-army-corps-engineers-eviction-notice-letter-makes-grave-dangerous-mistake/The Guardian, "I Was Arrested for Protesting," https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/03/i-was-arrested-for-protesting-my-idealism-did-not-prepare-me-for-that-experience Mother Jones, "“This is How Puerto Ricans are Talking about Climate Change” https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/09/heres-how-puerto-ricans-are-talking-about-climate-change/New York Magazine, "The Uninhabitable Earth," http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-hot-for-humans.htmlThe Atlantic, "Democrats are Shockingly Unprepared to Fight Climate Change" https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/11/there-is-no-democratic-plan-to-fight-climate-change/543981/Inside Climate News, "Finding Middle Ground" series https://insideclimatenews.org/content/middle-groundThe Nearly Now, "The Smokestacks Come Tumbling Down" https://thenearlynow.com/the-smokestacks-come-tumbling-down-c03ba1294522Bitch, "The Least Convenient Truth" series https://www.bitchmedia.org/article/least-convenient-truth/climate-change-and-white-supremacyIsland, "Endlings" https://www.taswriters.org/wildcare-winner-harriet-rileys-essay-endlings/The New York Times Magazine, "How Singapore Is Creating More Land for Itself," Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Nov 22, 2019 • 56min

Fangirl vs. Fangirl

In this intro episode, Mary Annaïse Heglar and Amy Westervelt share their own approaches to climate storytelling and what they love most about each other's work.Mary's work:The big lie that we're told about climate change is that it's our own faultI work in the environmental movement. I don't care if you recycle.Home is always worth itAfter the StormAmy's work:Of course U.S. birthrates are fallingThe Case for Climate RageWhy Are The New York Times and Washington Post Producing Ads for Big Oil?Drilled Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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