

This Is TASTE
Aliza Abarbanel & Matt Rodbard
If you're a fan of smart and lively conversations about food, home cooking, and culture, this is the place. We interview the most interesting characters in the world of food, media, and cookbooks and release episodes several times a month. The program is hosted by TASTE editors Aliza Abarbanel and Matt Rodbard, and is sometimes recorded live at Rizzoli Bookstore in New York City. Visit TASTE online: tastecooking.com
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Mar 18, 2022 • 30min
97: Ali Slagle
If you’re a fan of recipes that make clever use of a handful of ingredients and a few swift moves in the kitchen, then chances are, you’ve probably cooked an Ali Slagle recipe. Maybe it was her margherita pizza reimagined as beans on toast, or maybe it was her oat milk chocolate pudding. Ali’s new book, I Dream of Dinner, is full of these types of recipes that manage to be both wildly efficient and gently playful at the same time. In this episode, we talk about the book and Ali’s life on the road this past year, developing recipes from a camper van.Also in this episode, TASTE editors Anna Hezel and Matt Rodbard discuss three things each of them have been excited to eat, cook, or read lately.Check out Ali’s Book: I Dream of DinnerAdditional Reading:
I’ve Made Everything from Gnocchi to Mapo To ] fu in My Camper Van’s Kitchen [The Strategist]
Masa Harina Cornbread [Los Angeles Times]
Eric Kim’s Maple Milk Bread [The New York Times]
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Mar 15, 2022 • 34min
96: Jenny G. Zhang
We’ve long been fans of Jenny G. Zhang’s incisive journalism and podcasting, and we couldn’t wait to have the current Gawker editor and writer on the show. In this wide-ranging conversation, we talk about food in the time of TikTok, Zhang’s memorable 2018 Eater story about Pizza Hut in China, and the regular food she covers in her Gawker column Regular Food Reviews. We also talk about the world of NFTs in food. Additional Reading and Listening:
American Pie [Eater]
Why do people on TikTok Chew Like This? [Gawker]
I’m Sick of Scrolling Past Essays to Get to Recipes I’m Not Paying For [Eater]
Give Your Dumpling a Crispy Skirt [TASTE]
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Mar 10, 2022 • 55min
95: Emily Weinstein
On today’s episode, we have a great conversation with Emily Weinstein, the Food and Cooking editor of the New York Times. We’ve been great admirers of the work at NYT Cooking, and we took the opportunity to cover many subjects in home cooking and food media. We talk about what makes a great story and some of the cooking trends Weinstein is most interested in covering. We also discuss Weinstein’s long journey working at the paper, starting as a dining listings fact-checker and rising to various editorial roles, eventually taking the top spot. Also on the episode, TASTE editors Anna Hezel and Matt Rodbard have a discussion about language, particularly the words they’ve effectively banned from the pages of TASTE. Can you guess what they are?Additional Reading:
Subscribe to Emily’s newsletter: Five Weeknight Dishes
The Fish That Makes Me Want to Cook [New York Times]
One Huge Hog, One Long Day and a Nourishing Southern Tradition [New York Times]
Why Does Every Recipe Have to Be Magic? [TASTE]
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Mar 4, 2022 • 35min
94: Nisha Melvani
Today on the TASTE Podcast, we’re talking to Nisha Melvani, the author of Practically Vegan. Nisha is the creator of the website and Instagram account Cooking for Peanuts, a source for colorful, practical, no-nonsense plant-based recipes. We talk about how much range cashews have as an ingredient for creamy dishes, and about why tempeh has such a bad reputation (and how to make it taste truly delicious). We also discuss how using less salt can actually make you a much better cook.Also on the show, TASTE editors Anna Hezel and Matt Rodbard return with a Three Things segment. Matt is excited about two upcoming barbecue cookbooks and Anna discusses her tinned fish storage situ, while shouting out some favorite recipes from Caroline Schiff and Sohla El-Waylly.Check out Nisha’s book: Practically VeganAdditional Reading:
Caroline Schiff’s Salted Honey Focaccia [TASTE]
Yurrita Boquerones in Vinegar [Fresh Direct]
Sohla El-Waylly’s Braised Lamb Shoulder with Dried Chiles and Dates [Serious Eats]
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Mar 1, 2022 • 42min
93: J. Kenji López-Alt
On today’s episode, we have a really fun conversation with the one and only J. Kenji López-Alt. As the author of The Food Lab, Kenji has been a guiding force in home cooking for over a decade. He’s back with a new book, The Wok: Recipes and Techniques, and we discuss creative ways to cook with one of the best tools around. We go all the way back to the heady days of early Serious Eats, a time when food blogging was starting to find its footing, and Kenji reflects on his time working at the scrappy start-up. We also talk about some of his favorite condiments and spices and what foods he enjoys most in the kitchen.Additional Reading:
A Lamb Stew With a French Onion Twist [New York Times]
The Scientific Methods of J. Kenji López-Alt [Seattle Met]
J. Kenji López-Alt says Seattle’s bagels are as good as New York’s [Seattle Times]
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Feb 24, 2022 • 24min
92: Cathy Barrow
On today’s episode, we’re sitting down with longtime food writer and cookbook author Cathy Barrow. Cathy’s the author of Mrs. Wheelbarrow’s Practical Pantry, Pie Squared, and When Pies Fly. Her most recent book, Bagels, Schmears, and a Nice Piece of Fish, makes the case for bagels at home. As she points out, if you throw together the dough before bed and proof it in the refrigerator overnight, boiling and baking in the morning is a complete breeze. We discussed some of the biggest bagel myths and truths out there. It turns out that using New York City tap water isn’t really a necessity, but getting the right flour is.Check out Cathy’s book: Bagels, Schmears, and a Nice Piece of Fish Pick up Some Ingredients for Bagels at Home:
High-Gluten Flour
Non-Diastatic Malt Powder
Pumpernickel Flour
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Feb 17, 2022 • 36min
91: Missy Robbins
Today on the show we are speaking with one of the clearest and most singular voices in Italian cooking in New York City, Missy Robbins. In the episode, we turn back the clock to the heady days of Missy running two major NYC restaurants in the late aughts, as well as discuss her current hit Brooklyn restaurants Lilia and Misi. We also talk about her new cookbook, Pasta: The Spirit and Craft of Italy’s Greatest Food, with Recipes, which she wrote with our former TASTE colleague and friend Talia Baiocchi. We find out about the duo’s extensive research and reporting, and how the book has taken off online since it was released last fall. Have you spotted folks stamping out pasta coins on the internet? We have.Additional Reading:
45 Pasta Shapes and Counting [TASTE]
Recipe: Spaghetti alla Puttanesca [Pasta]
Recipe: Spaghetti with Colatura and Bread Crumbs [Pasta]
Buy the book: Pasta: The Spirit and Craft of Italy’s Greatest Food, with Recipes
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Feb 10, 2022 • 33min
90: Mark Canha
In this episode, we’re sitting down with Mark Canha, the biggest food personality in Major League Baseball. Mark is an itinerant diner who documents his eating and cooking on Instagram as @bigleaguefoodie. We asked him about his pregame eating rituals, as well as some of the restaurants in New York that he’s most excited to check out as a new player for the New York Mets. We also talked about some untapped markets for Italian stadium food served in plastic souvenir helmet bowls.Later in this episode, hosts Matt Rodbard and Anna Hezel catch up about the most exciting things they’ve cooked and eaten in the last few weeks.Additional Reading:
In Singapore, Lunar New Year is a Multicultural Feast [New York Times]
Skillet Greens with Runny Eggs, Peas, and Pancetta [New York Times]
NY Indonesian Food Bazaar [Facebook]
Smorgasburg LA
Danny Boy’s Famous Original
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Feb 3, 2022 • 32min
89: Daniela Galarza
For the past year and a half, Daniela Galarza has written one of our favorite things on the internet: a four-day-a-week cooking column for the Washington Post food section, Eat Voraciously. In this episode, we hear about Daniela’s journey from pastry cook and private chef to holding down editorial jobs at LA Weekly, Eater, and the Post. We also talk about some of the great work she’s done as a writer for TASTE, particularly focusing on pastry and desserts. And she answers the burning questions of the day: What makes a great recipe, and what makes a great food newsletter? Additional reading:
The Tart That Launched a Thousand Tarts [TASTE]
Spain’s Burnt Cheesecake Breaks All the Rules [TASTE]
Big Crisp Energy [TASTE]
How do you like to cook your least favorite veggies? We’ve got ideas, too. [WaPo]
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Jan 27, 2022 • 35min
88: Gary Shteyngart
Today on the show, we’re catching up with Gary Shteyngart, a New York Times best-selling novelist and food writer who has written memorable books including The Russian Debutante’s Handbook, Super Sad True Love Story, and his most recent work, the rollicking pandemic satire Our Country Friends. In this episode, we talk about some of Shteyngart’s world travels, both as a hired gun and for fun, as well as what he’s eating and drinking in his Upstate New York home. We also remember New York City restaurants from the 1990s and early 2000s, including fond memories of the long-lost Meatpacking District bistro Florent, which plays a role in his most recent novel.Check out Gary Shteyngart’s recent book Our Country Friends.
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