

Listing Bits
Greg Robertson
Greg Robertson, co-founder of W+R Studios and publisher of Vendor Alley, talks real estate tech with the people who are shaping it.
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Jun 24, 2019 • 34min
Listing Bits Episode 49: A Better Way to Follow Up with Prospects – with David Etheredge of SavvyCard
Ever wonder what happened to all the business cards you've handed out over the years? Wish there was a better way to engage with prospects beyond simply giving them your contact information and hoping for the best? The SavvyCard platform affords real estate professionals the opportunity to provide immediate value to new leads, sharing information relevant to their initial conversation with the prospect. And most importantly, SavvyCard gives the agent control of the follow-up! David Etheredge is the cofounder and CEO of SavvyCard, a lead development platform designed to facilitate proactive, tech-enabled follow-up with prospects. David and his team are committed to helping real estate agents, brokers, associations and affiliates build a direct relationship with buyers and sellers through technology and networking tools that put the customer experience first. Prior to SavvyCard, David managed software development teams for Disney Interactive, Microprose and Hasbro Interactive and cofounded a boutique digital marketing agency. Today, David shares the origin story behind SavvyCard, explaining the platform's intent to facilitate proactive follow-up by way of a digital business card. He discusses the SellerShare feature, describing how it can be used to engage sellers in promoting their own listing on social media. David also walks us through best practices for following up with prospects, addressing the data around how quickly agents should follow up and offering ideas for how to provide value. Listen in for David's insight around the role of advertising in growing a business and learn why real estate professionals should take advantage of social platforms to promote new property listings! What's Discussed: David's background managing software development teams How SavvyCard originated as a better way to engage prospects How progressive web apps will change the way content is distributed How SavvyCard facilitates tech-enabled, proactive follow-up Engaging sellers in promoting their listing on social via SellerShare The data around following up within 10 minutes of meeting a lead Following up with a relevant article or service recommendation Why it's valuable to post new property listings on Facebook David's insight around the role of advertising in growing a business SavvyCard's intent to become a part of the real estate toolkit Resources: SellerShare Connect with David: SavvyCard David on LinkedIn

May 28, 2019 • 36min
Listing Bits Episode 47: A Fearless Rebrand Around Customer Experience with Merri Jo Cowen of Stellar MLS
"We will never sacrifice service to our existing customers to growth. We just won't. Our first priority is taking care of our customers." Merri Jo Cowen is the CEO of Stellar MLS, the third-largest regional MLS in the US with nearly 60K members in 16 REALTOR Associations throughout Central and Southwest Florida and Puerto Rico. Formerly known as My Florida Regional MLS, the organization's recent rebrand is inspired by its reputation as the country's most customer-focused MLS and intention to design a curated experience for each subscriber. Merri Jo's resume also includes a 6-year run as CEO of Northern Nevada Regional MLS, and in her 35-plus years in the industry, she served as president of CMLSand played an integral role in the development of the CMLXprofessional accreditation program. Today, Merri Jo shares her journey from entering listing input at the Reno Board of Realtors to CEO of Stellar, offering insight around the challenges she faced in moving from NNRMLS to MFRMLS in 2008. She discusses her commitment to foster future industry leaders, her involvement in the MLS Grid, and her proactive approach to solving for front-end of choice. Listen in to understand how MFRMLS has grown under Merri Jo's leadership—without sacrificing service—and learn how the organization is working to create a 'curated customer journey' for each of its members. What's Discussed: Merri Jo's journey from entering listing input to MLS CEO Merri Jo's commitment to foster future industry leaders Merri Jo's leadership in developing the CMLX program The challenges of moving from NNRMLS to MFRMLS The experience of expanding Stellar to include Puerto Rico What inspired the rebranding of MFRMLS to Stellar MLS Stellar's emphasis on creating a curated customer journey Why Merri Jo sees value in being part of the MLS Grid Merri Jo's proactive approach to solving front-end of choice Resources: NNRMLS CMLS CMLX Shelley Specchio Chris Carrillo Sean Murphy T3 Summit MLS Grid Flexmls Matrix Remine Cloud MLX NAR Legislative Meetings Rapattoni Connect with Merri Jo: Stellar MLS Email: ceo [at] stellarmls [dot] com

May 22, 2019 • 31min
A Broker-Owner's Approach to Leading the MLS with Gene Millman of NNRMLS
Rather than trying to predict the future of real estate and act accordingly, Gene Millman is working to collaborate with brokerages to create the future together. He comes to MLS leadership from a unique perspective, leveraging his experience running a brokerage to find ways to say YES to his members and champion the industry as a whole. Gene is the CEO of Northern Nevada Regional MLS. With 32 years of experience in the real estate industry, he served as an agent, broker-manager and broker-owner before making the transition to MLS executive. Greg has held key leadership roles with various local, regional and state associations, and his recognitions and honors include Realtor of the Year for the Delaware Association of Realtors and Hall of Fame Inductee at the New Castle County Board of Realtors. Today, Gene explains how serving on the board at TRENDintroduced him to the MLS world and how working on consolidation ignited his passion for the space. He introduces us to his mission to partner with brokers and create a future together. Gene also offers his predictions around the potential iBuyer market share and shares his take on portals as a broker versus MLS exec. Listen in for insight on creating culture within a team and securing buy-in for your vision—and learn how Gene's background as a broker influences his approach to running an MLS. What's Discussed: How serving at TREND introduced Gene to the MLS world How MLS consolidation ignited Gene's passion for the space The differences among governance models from MLS to MLS Gene's approach to running the MLS to serve the brokers Why Gene doesn't believe that the MLS is under threat The MLS's responsibility to secure data, give brokers control Gene's aim to partner with brokers + create a future together How a market correction may impact views toward the MLS Gene's take on portals as a broker-owner vs. MLS executive Gene's predictions around the potential iBuyer market share The value in creating culture + getting buy-in for your vision Resources: T3 Summit TREND MLS Connect with Gene: Northern Nevada Regional MLS Gene on LinkedIn

May 9, 2019 • 50min
Mission-Driven to Make Real Estate Better for Consumers with Glenn Kelman of Redfin
Glenn Kelman has always had the ambition to make real estate better for consumers. But it took him a while to realize that he wasn't the only one who wanted to do that. He came into the game with an US vs. THEM mentality, assuming that all of Redfin's competitors were villains and snake oil salesmen. To his relief, it turned out that his industry rivals were actually good people. And while that doesn't make him any less driven, he does concede that this shift in perspective has made him 'not quite so insufferable.' Glenn Kelman is the President and CEO of Redfin, a technology-powered brokerage designed to redefine real estate in the customer's favor. Prior to Redfin, Glenn cofounded the startup Plumtree Software and served as its VP of Marketing & Product Management until its acquisition in 2005. Glenn has been the CEO of Redfin for the past 13 years, and under his leadership, the company was twice named Innovator of the Year by Inman News. Redfin went public in July of 2017, and today, its market cap is $1.82B. Today, Glenn explains why he still feels like an underdog, despite Redfin's success. He weighs in on running a mission-driven company, discussing his aim to 'do something good for real estate consumers' whether Redfin makes money or not. Glenn also covers the civil nature of the relationship between Redfin and Zillow, Redfin's new partnership with Re/Max, and the impetus behind Redfin's 'buy without an agent' feature. Listen in for Glenn's insight on cultivating agent professionalism and learn how his perception of the competition has changed over time. What's Discussed: Why Glenn still feels like an underdog despite Redfin's success Glenn's aim to 'do something good for real estate consumers' Glenn's take on the tribal nature of American politics How becoming a father has made Glenn a better leader The learning culture Glenn works to cultivate at Redfin How Glenn's perspective of his competitors has changed Glenn's solutions-based approach to candor with employees How Glenn is driven by the desire to live up to his potential The civil nature of the relationship between Redfin and Zillow How Redfin addresses the idea of agent professionalism The impetus behind Redfin's new partnership with Re/Max What inspired Redfin's new 'buy without an agent' feature Resources: T3 Summit Glenn's 'Once and Future King' Post Vendor Alley Andreesen Horowitz Real Estate Stats Connect with Glenn: Redfin Glenn on LinkedIn

May 9, 2019 • 24min
A Collaborative Approach to Web API Adoption with Jon Druse of W+R Studios
"A phone call is worth a thousand emails, and a Slack channel is worth a million conversations." RESO's push for an industry shift from RETS to Web API makes a lot of developers nervous. You can spin your wheels for days trying to figure out how to make the new way to consume MLS data work with your application. But here's the thing: Somebody else has probably already solved that problem. So, how do we create a platform where developers can team up to move adoption forward? How much does accessibility to the experts serve as a game-changer in the switch to Web API? Jon Druse is a Senior Developer at W+R Studios, a software company dedicated to building tools for the real estate industry. Prior to W+R, he served as a Software Engineer and Interaction Designer with Socialcast, Sleepy Giant, and Central Desktop and cut his teeth as a Senior Developer at PhishMe, Inc. Jon has 11-plus years of experience in the industry, and he was recently responsible for leading Cloud Agent Suite's shift away from RETS, making W+R the first vendor to put Web API into production. Today, Jon explains why direct access to 'people with answers' was critical to his success on the project. He describes how Web API is less error-prone and requires fewer requests than RETS yet displays in the same format. Jon also discusses the minimal differences among Bridge, Trestle and Spark when it comes to replication of a data set. Listen in to understand why collaboration among developers is key in moving Web API adoption forward and learn how Jon was able to make the transition happen at W+R in just 6 months! What's Discussed: How John set up the Web API feed in W+R's Cloud Agent Suite Why accessibility to 'people with answers' was crucial to Jon's success RESO's push for an industry shift from RETS to Web API The intention behind RESO's Replication Workgroup How Web API outperforms RETS in terms of time and accuracy How a common schema will solve for maintenance in Web API The 3 vendor-MLS partnerships delivering data through Web API The minimal differences among Bridge, Trestle and Spark for replication Jon's insight around how to move Web API adoption forward How Jon taught himself to program working tech support at a high school Resources: RESO Conference Mike Wurzer & Andy Woolley on Listing Bits EP035 Al at CoreLogic on LinkedIn The Bridge API Trestle Spark API Connect with Jon: W+R Studios Email: jon@wrstudios.com Jon on LinkedIn Jon on Twitter

May 9, 2019 • 30min
Competing Against iBuyers & National Brands with Eric Stegemann of TRIBUS
In a world where national brands like Zillow and Realtor.com dominate search results, how can individual brokerage websites compete? And how do real estate brokerages stay relevant as the iBuyer market continues to grow? Eric Stegemann believes the firms that adapt and take on alternative options for transacting will be well-placed for the future—and adopting the right real estate tech is a big part of that solution. Eric is the founder and CEO of TRIBUS, a custom brokerage platform vendor tasked with providing medium and large real estate firms with made-to-order websites, intranet, email marketing, transaction management and CRM systems. Eric became a licensed agent at the age of 18 and started his own tech-oriented brokerage, River City Real Estate, at 21. In short order, River City became the largest independent brokerage in St. Louis due in large part to its real estate tech innovations, which became the framework for TRIBUS. Eric is often called upon to speak at industry events, including Inman Connect and the NAR Annual Conference. Today, Eric explains why brokerage websites still matter in the age of Zillow and Trulia, discussing what differentiates a TRIBUS site from the national brands. He shares his conservative approach to growth for TRIBUS and offers advice for aspiring vendors in terms of building trust and fixing your mistakes. Listen in for Eric's insight around the challenges facing brokerages today and get his industry predictions on MLS consolidation, the changing role of the agent, and potential winners in the iBuyer market. What's Discussed: How Eric started selling real estate to pay for college What inspired Eric's shift from broker to software vendor The meaning behind the company name, TRIBUS TRIBUS' aspiration to be a zebra rather than a unicorn Eric's take on the challenges facing brokerages today Eric's insight on why brokerage websites still matter How TRIBUS customer sites rank in Google search results How local content differentiates a TRIBUS site from Zillow TRIBUS' pioneering collaborative search mechanism How brokers can build their own iBuyer programs Eric's top advice for vendors on persistence and presence Eric's predictions on MLS consolidation + iBuyer success Resources: RESO Conference Doyle Real Estate Team LeadingRE Blackstone Connect with Eric: TRIBUS TRIBUS on Facebook TRIBUS on Twitter TRIBUS on LinkedIn Eric on LinkedIn

Mar 15, 2019 • 35min
What Real Estate Can Learn from the Music Business with Marc Davison of 1000watt
The Clash. The Police. Journey. Talking Heads. Some of the most well-known bands in recent history also happen to have some of the most powerful names. Names that describe their music and articulate what separates them from everyone else. Just like those bands, the name of your real estate brand has a job to do. So, why are so many of us afraid to break traditional paradigms? Why is every brokerage Insert-Last-Name Realty? And why are so many logos a roofline? What if you liberated yourself from what everybody else is doing and made your own kind of music? We recorded this podcast live after Marc spoke at the MLS Summit, an event hosted by Annie Ives of The MLS™/CLAW. Marc Davison is the cofounder of 1000watt, an agency dedicated to helping real estate brokerages, tech vendors, mortgage and title companies, MLSs and associations build better brands through marketing and design. Prior to 1000watt, he served as the Vice President of OnBoard Informatics and founded Access Media. Marc's resume also includes a long stint in the music business as a musician and manager, and he is the author of All Area Access: Personal Management for Unsigned Musicians. Today, Marc shares the parallels between building a band and building a company, discussing how his background in music informs his work at 1000watt. He offers insight around the dynamics of the team at 1000watt, describing the unique voice of the company and how its name serves as a differentiator. Listen in for Marc's challenge around breaking paradigms in branding your real estate organization and learn how your name, logo and messaging can work together (in harmony, of course) to articulate what's important to you as a company. What's Discussed: How Marc's background music relates to his work at 1000watt The parallels between building a band and building a company How 1000watt's unique voice differs from its team members Marc's take on real estate as an intoxicating, aspirational business The significance of thinking of your company as a product Marc's insight on the charisma of the name W+R Studios How names serve as vehicles to create differentiation Why 1000watt chose to brand itself as an agency vs. consultancy Marc's challenge around real estate terminology (i.e.: Team, Realty) The necessity of alignment among names, logos and messaging Resources: The MLS Summit TheMLS.com All Area Access: Personal Management for Unsigned Musicians by Marc Davison 'An Uncommon Brokerage Vision' in 1000watt Nick Shivers The Police - Bring on the night -LIVE PARIS -79. Connect with Marc: 1000watt 1000watt Blog Marc on 1000watt Marc on LinkedIn

Mar 13, 2019 • 27min
A Carrot AND Stick Approach to Implementing Web API with Art Carter & Josh Darnell
This episode was recorded live at the Clareity/Corelogic MLS Executive Workshop in Scottsdale. Art and Josh were good sports when I spotted them at the lobby bar at the Scottsdale Plaza. Also, full disclosure, I think I've had at least one drink. So, what's it going to take to get vendors to transition away from RETS to Web API?RESO is hoping that both a carrot (providing easy-to-use replication tools) and a stick (large MLSs putting a 'death date' on RETS feeds) will facilitate the move. Art Carter is the Chair of the 2019 RESO Board of Directors and CEO of California Regional MLS. Josh Darnell is the Chief Architect at RESO and Founder and CEO of kurotek, a real estate tech consultancy. Both Art and Josh are committed to RESO's mission around creating and promoting the adoption of standards to drive efficiency in the real estate industry. Today, Art and Josh discuss the transition from RETS to Web API and discuss what RESO is doing to rectify the replication issue. Art gives us an update on the progress of RESO's search for a new CEO, describing the combination of technical skill and evangelism the organization is looking for in a leader. Josh shares his take on independent systems like Trestle and Spark API and walks us through the RESO initiatives that address the separation of listing input. Listen in for insight into the ongoing evolution of real estate standards and learn how you can support RESO's work to give agents access to the data they need. What's Discussed: The progress of RESO's search for a new CEO What RESO is looking for in a leader for the organization What the RESO Board is doing to rectify the replication issue RESO's understanding that standards will continue to evolve RESO's focus on giving agents access to the data they need Josh's take on independent systems like Trestle, Spark API The intent behind RESO's RCP010 and RCP019 initiatives Why we will eventually rely on MLSs to handle compliance The value of working together in an open-source model Art's insight on how proprietary systems impact innovation Why vendors need to accept that RETS is going away Who Josh would like to see at RESO's Workgroup meetings What it will take to get vendors to transition to Web API Resources: Mike Wurzer on Listing Bits EP035 OAuth Trestle Spark API RESO on RubyGems Amy Gorce at RESO Connect with Art & Josh: RESO Josh at RESO kurotek Art on LinkedIn CRMLS

Mar 10, 2019 • 33min
Building a Real Estate CRM That Plays Well with Others with David Anderson of LionDesk
Is it better to develop an all-in-one CRM? Or focus on relationship-management and work with other vendors to create a flexible package of best-in-class offerings? In the ever-evolving world of real estate tech, LionDesk is choosing integrations, leveraging partnerships with top third-party applications to create a CRM that plays well with others—and allows agents to maintain their independence. David Anderson is the founder and President of LionDesk, a complete sales and marketing solution for real estate agents, broker and lenders. As one of the premiere CRMs, LionDesk makes it easy for sales professionals to connect, communicate and close more leads, and its open API platform integrates with hundreds of the best management tools, allowing professionals to run their entire business from a single system. Today, David shares the challenge LionDesk faced in designing a CRM flexible enough to accommodate any workflow. He discusses the early days of the startup when he was 'giving it away for free,' focusing on individual agents and referral business and developing the subscription business model. David also speaks to Compass' acquisition of Contactually and how it is impacting his business. Listen in for insight around how LionDesk integrates with other best-in-class real estate systems like Cloud CMA and ShowingTime and learn why agents prefer an independent, third-party system to an all-in-one, broker-led platform. What's Discussed: How David's experience building tools for travel translated to real estate The challenge LionDesk faced in designing a flexible CRM for any workflow David's focus on individual agents and referral business in the early days LionDesk's recent deal to provide CRMLS members with a full account How LionDesk integrates with best-in-class apps like ShowingTime + Cloud CMA Why agents appreciate the freedom and independence of a third-party system How Compass' acquisition of Contactually is affecting David's business Why David believes an all-in-one brokerage CRM system is the wrong play The LionDesk SaaS month-to-month subscription business model Why David discourages new vendors from pursuing the freemium model The challenge around determining a CRM's number of active users Resources: Greg's Blog on the LionDesk Partnership with CRMLS ShowingTime Cloud CMA Contactually 'Compass Acquires Contactually' Press Release 'Compass to Acquire Alain Pinel Realtors' in Inman MoxiWorks Connect with David Anderson: LionDesk David on LinkedIn

Dec 4, 2018 • 34min
Facilitating the Shift to RESO Web API with Rebecca Jensen of the MLS Grid
We've all heard the rallying cry to drop RETS and move over to the RESO Web API. What's been less clear is exactly how to go about making that transition. So, what's step one? How exactly might vendors help make this shift happen? Rebecca Jensen is the President and CEO at Midwest Real Estate Data, the real estate data aggregator that provides the Chicagoland multiple listing service to more than 45K subscribers. Under Rebecca's leadership, MRED was named Most Innovative MLS by Inman News. Rebecca also serves as the Board Chair for MLS Grid, a technology company created by MLSs across the country to deliver on the RESO Standards and provide vendors with a single access point for the data of participating MLSs in addition to a unified licensing agreement, standardized business rules and policing processes. Today, Rebecca explains how the MLS Grid provides both a unified data feed and compliance process. She shares the tech company's progress in getting the IDX feed and licensing agreements up and running as well as her long-term vision to have all software connect through the platform. Rebecca discusses the cost to vendors to access MLS data through the Grid and walks us through her efforts to facilitate a graceful transition from RETS to Web API. Listen in to understand the opportunity for vendors to test their apps against new systems like MLS Grid and get access to MRED's step-by-step guide for RESO Web API adoption. What's Discussed: How the MLS Grid serves as a unified platform to deliver RESO standards How the Grid provides a unified data feed and licensing agreement MRED's step-by-step guide for vendors regarding Web API adoption MLS Grid's work to finalize VOW and back office licensing agreements How MLSs set prices for vendors to access their data through MLS Grid Rebecca's long-term vision to have all software connect through the Grid The benefits of the unified compliance process provided by MLS Grid Rebecca's insight on the different ways to approach consolidation Rebecca's efforts to transition from RETS to Web API gracefully How long it may take to convert a RETS infrastructure to Web API The difference between an API and the data dictionary itself The need for vendors to test their apps against new systems like MLS Grid Rebecca's call for vendors and MLSs to plan for Web API adoption Resources: REALTORS Conference & Expo RESO Conference Mike Wurzer & Andy Woolley on Listing Bits EP035 MLS RoundTable RealTracs Homesnap (BPP) MLS 2020 Agenda Trestle Spark API MLS Aligned Bridge API Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling Disruptive Products to Mainstream Customersby Geoffrey A. Moore Connect with Rebecca Jensen: MLS Grid MRED LLC Rebecca on LinkedIn


