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In this episode, we are talking about emerging technology. Dan Weisman and Dave Conroy work at NAR and are sharing with us their knowledge about technology in the real estate industry. We're talking AI — yes, we all love ChatGPT — Chatbots, Fractional real estate, and what they see for the future of cryptocurrency. They have some software suggestions and usage tips for us as well. So, join us for this informative episode! [2:31] Dan Weisman and Dave Conroy are the Directors of Emerging Technology at NAR. [3:51] If agents do not feel they are able to keep up with emerging technologies, Dan encourages them not to feel bad. Even Dave feels on some days it's like drinking from a firehose and keeping up with emerging technology is his full-time job. [5:05] Proptech is any form of property technology. Dan and Dave also look at the adjacent industries of construction tech, financial tech (fintech), insurance tech, and mortgage tech. [6:59] There is no shortage of data to feed proptech tools to help agents get a better understanding of their market and customers and complete more transactions. [8:49] Dave explains the amount of data over the past 10 years has grown exponentially. Ninety percent of our data was created in the last 10 or so years. [10:59] Some companies are backed by NAR, Second Century Ventures, and Reach. Plunk is one of them. They've got an AI-powered valuation model that digs into MLS showing data. [15:09] Dan discusses AI products he and Dave have been researching for years similar to ChatGPT. [16:37] When you log into Amazon, it offers things you might be interested in, whether or not you have been thinking of it. That's AI based on your habits, predicting your next move. [18:22] ChatGPT feels like having a human-level intelligent personal assistant to answer questions about anything; how to write an email, recipes, and no shortage of help for REALTORS®. [21:16] There will still need to be a person involved with the end product to make sure it's written as you want it, the information is the way you want it to be displayed, and that it's accurate. [22:32] Monica points out that CRD is teaching classes on applying ChatGPT. [24:53] ChatGPT is powerful but make sure you understand what problems or what areas you're trying to be better at to increase your revenue, increase your business and provide better service. [25:36] If Dave were recommending to a REALTOR® how to incorporate one of these large language models, Bard or ChatGPT, into their workflow, he would suggest they use it as a creative muse. [27:03] Dan discusses image generation. [30:54] Dan and Dave discuss ways to keep in touch and to join their monthly proptech meetups. [33:56] Cryptocurrency has disappointed Dave who was bullish on it early. Make sure the tech you're looking at isn't a solution looking for a problem. [38:03] Fractional real estate or fractional ownership of properties isn't new, but there are new ways to get access to it. [44:45] Global funding for technology is down. What does that mean for the United States agents? [48:48] Automated listings use AI to analyze listing photos to help assist agents in creating listings. [50:32] Some of the changes coming to real estate may require agents to be much more efficient. Agents can improve their efficiency with some of the AI tools discussed in this episode. [57:46] There are lots of basics in our industry that are about people and relationships, and they're based on that relationship. Technology is a tool to help us, not remove us from our clients' lives. [58:19] You can follow up with Dan and Dave on LinkedIn to learn more. If you want to expand your tech knowledge, NAR also offers the e-PRO® certification. Tweetables: "You need to also know that it's still a machine that was trained by someone that's pulling data from somewhere. … It's like 90% accurate. There's still that 10%, which can get you in a lot of trouble sometimes. … Test it out but … verify everything." — Dan Weisman "I would suggest that you just use [ChatGPT] as a muse; like a creative muse. … It helps me get from zero to one. I feel like if I can just get started with something, finishing it is so much easier." — Dave Conroy "How we operate has changed, and most of it is due to technology. It can be overwhelming but what's most important is to understand the problem you're trying to solve and what technology may be out there to help you solve it or at least be better at it." — Dan Weisman "People will try a new piece of technology and it doesn't work right out of the box, so they dismiss it. I would urge your listeners, please don't dismiss technology because it can be very hard to predict how quickly the technology will advance and be adopted." — Dave Conroy Guest Links: Dan Weisman at NAR Dan Weisman on LinkedIn Dave Conroy at NAR Dave Conroy on LinkedIn ChatGPT Dall-E 2 GetPlunk.com Generative AI Flock Fractional Summer ListAssist Emerging Technology with NAR iOi Summit Meetup.com/proptech NAR Resource LinksNAR.realtor/technology Additional Links: Microcourses found at Learning.REALTOR. Use the coupon code PODCAST to obtain 15% off the price of any microcourse! CRD@NAR.REALTOR Crdpodcast.REALTOR Learning.REALTOR — for NAR Online Education Training4RE.com — List of Classroom Courses from NAR and its affiliates CRD.REALTOR — List of all courses offered Host Information: Monica Neubauer Speaker/Podcaster/REALTOR® Monica@MonicaNeubauer.com MonicaNeubauer.com FranklinTNBlog.com Monica's Facebook Page Facebook.com/Monica.Neubauer Instagram Instagram.com/MonicaNeubauerSpeaks Guest Bio Dan Weisman Dan Weisman is a Director of Emerging Technology within the Strategic Business, Innovation & Technology group at the National Association of REALTORS®. In his role, he focuses on how the intersection of business processes and technology may impact the real estate industry. Dave ConroyDave Conroy is a Director of Emerging Technology within the Strategic Business, Innovation & Technology group at the National Association of REALTORS®

Everyone is adapting to the technology they need, in their work and life. We want you to have the best tools that will benefit you and your clients. In this episode, Ali Whitley discusses working with our mature clients. The Seniors Real Estate Specialist® Designation (SRES®) is an amazing class that the Center for REALTOR® Development offers. This class discusses things you need to know. We discuss the technicalities of senior living, reverse mortgages, estates, taxes, and more. We also discuss helping our mature clients get established in communities and be connected in the ways that help them best. Thanks for joining us! [2:22] Ali is an educator and loves all things education. She is happy to be the chair of the Emerging Business and Technology Forum for NAR this year. [4:56] A person of the same age could have a very different lifestyle than another person. It depends on your activity and health and your ability to be active. [8:16] Ali talks with clients about their interests. She finds out their activity level and the things they like to do. [9:07] Art museums, libraries, and different types of opportunities in your community may have senior or 50-plus programs. When you get plugged into something, you find more to do. Do pre-work and find links for your clients to find their way. [10:39] If we have things available for someone and we can start to identify it for them, their interests and their ability to meet people is going to "explode," so they'll be able to be connected in their communities. [10:59] The Seniors Real Estate Specialist designation covers three generations: Gen X, Boomers, and the Silent Generation. These generations have different characteristics. They are very diverse in technology. [11:59] As real estate professionals, we help clients across any technology abilities, know where they are, and meet them there, encouraging them to use technology in their transactions and their lives. [12:20] Stereotypes are helpful for some conversations but don't ever over-assume things. Ali sees different generations using technology differently. [13:36] Video chats and social media are useful for people to keep that connection and feel that they're in the know with their community and their family. [15:18] Ali sees older people using video doorbells to keep an eye on who's coming up on their porch and when they're getting deliveries and having visitors. They're using health trackers and video medical appointments. [16:52] When Monica's parents find something that satisfies a need that they have determined, like their Ring doorbell, they are thrilled to have the technology. But they still don't want "all of that technology." [20:15] We need to talk with our clients and learn their communication preferences. [20:40] Our young clients don't want to talk on the phone but our older clients want to talk on the phone and see us in person. This is a relationship-building business. We need to build the relationship in a way that the client is comfortable. [26:19] There are all sorts of opportunities to use technology to make connections but face-to-face or voice-to-voice are important for people to feel connected. [26:39] Ali is the chair of the Emerging Business and Technology Forum that works with the REACH program. The REACH program comes out of Second Century Ventures, the strategic investment arm of the National Association of REALTORS®. [28:08] NAR chooses both REACH commercial and residential companies for technology that may be utilized in homes or businesses. Ali recommends some digital technology clients can use. [32:40] Ali suggests looking at the REACH program and Second Century Ventures to see all the REACH programs and classes. [34:58] The Seniors Real Estate Specialist is one of many excellent offerings and you can find out more at Learning.REALTOR. Tweetables: "A person of the same age could be in a very different lifestyle than another person. It really depends on your activity level, your health level; how you really feel about yourself, and your ability to have activity." — Ali Whitley "Maybe someone had a real interest in something particular and their job took them in a different direction. Now, as they're retiring, they can start to take those classes that they thought that they would enjoy." — Ali Whitley "As REALTORS®, we need to help clients across any technology abilities and we need to know where they are and meet them there and see if we can help to encourage new technology within their transactions." — Ali Whitley "They can see your smiling face on the video or they get to meet you in person and they get a feel for who you are, and then later, if … you're sending a text, or you're sending something through email, now they can put your face to it." — Ali Whitley Guest Links: Ali Whitley, REALTOR® ABR, CIPS, CRS, GRI, SRES, SRS, AHWD, e-PRO, PSA, RENE, RSPS, SFR, C2EX Endorsed RE/MAX Crossroads Aliwhitley.com Prisid.io REACH Second Century Ventures REACH Program Companies nar.realtor/newsroom/second-century-ventures-announces-14-companies-for-2023-reach-scale-up-program NAR Resource LinksSeniors Real Estate Specialist® (SRES®) NAR NXT, The REALTOR® Experience Additional Links: Microcourses found at Learning.REALTOR. Use the coupon code PODCAST to obtain 15% off the price of any microcourse! CRD@NAR.REALTOR Crdpodcast.REALTOR Learning.REALTOR — for NAR Online Education Training4RE.com — List of Classroom Courses from NAR and its affiliates CRD.REALTOR — List of all courses offered Host Information: Monica Neubauer Speaker/Podcaster/REALTOR® Monica@MonicaNeubauer.com MonicaNeubauer.com FranklinTNBlog.com Monica's Facebook Page Facebook.com/Monica.Neubauer Instagram Instagram.com/MonicaNeubauerSpeaks Guest Bio Ali Whitley Ali Whitley is an active Residential Real Estate Agent and Director of Education at RE/MAX Crossroads. In addition to guiding buyer and seller clients through successful transactions, Ali is passionate about professional development and education. A skilled negotiator and experienced REALTOR® for over 26 years, she shares this expertise and empowers fellow agents as an educator and mentor, and as an instructor of Designations and Certifications. Ali is active in local, state, and national REALTOR® Associations, currently serving as President-Elect of Ohio REALTORS®, NAR Director and Chair of the Emerging Business and Technology Forum. She has been recognized as AABOR REALTOR® of the Year and as a "Woman of Note" by Crain's Cleveland Business. Ali is committed to excellence, fostering an inclusive environment focused on sharing strategies for growth and success

In this bonus episode, we are joined by a member of the NAR staff, Alexia Smokler, a staff executive to NAR's Fair Housing Policy Committee. That description does not begin to convey all the work that she does on our behalf and on behalf of the clients we serve. She has been key in developing the Bias Override class and Fairhaven.realtor. We are excited to discuss the programs she manages as well as learn what agents are doing in the marketplace, in this bonus episode! [1:40] Monica welcomes and introduces Alexia Smokler, the Director of Fair Housing Policy and Programs for NAR. [2:19] Alexia discusses several of the educational programs she delivers such as Fairhaven, implicit bias training, NAR's Fair Housing Champion award, and licensure reform efforts under the ACT Initiative, which NAR rolled out after the Newsday investigation in Long Island. [3:52] Monica asks Alexia for definitions of Fair Housing, DEI, and Implicit Bias. [8:18] Alexia discusses the difference between prejudice and discrimination. [8:50] It's important to distinguish that you can be engaging in discrimination without holding feelings of prejudice. This is discussed in the Implicit Bias course. [13:06] Alexia describes the Bias Override course. The problem with mental shortcuts is when they're about people and they're based on stereotypes. [16:57] The Bias Override course brings new terms to your mind. It helps you describe things you have felt and gives a name to it. Monica speaks of the trip she and her daughter took to Japan where there are not a lot of Westerners. [19:02] Alexia ties Monica's Japan experience to the Bias Override course. She had the experience of being the minority and being the out-group. [20:53] Alexia speaks of studies that show that discrimination shrinks the economy. The wealth they would have generated that would have created more jobs does not get created. [21:56] Morgan Stanley's study found that lending discrimination had kept five million people out of home ownership nationwide. [25:03] The wealth gap is not just attributable to differences in income. It's also because of the historical support of White people to become homeowners. [25:48] Alexia tells how the government involved itself in home ownership. They created the FHA which distributed loans according to redlining maps and most of the mortgages went to White people. [26:54] Black GIs were not able to get mortgages from lenders. They didn't get to buy a house and pass that wealth down. [28:53] Lending discrimination is a big problem and it's not just against People of Color. It's also against women and people with disabilities. Loan officers need more Fair Housing training. Monica cites the books The Sum of Us and The Color of Law. [31:30] In a couple of decades, we'll be a majority-minority country. There will be no one majority group. We need to be ready to serve different kinds of people or we will miss out. [32:56] Fairhaven.realtor is an interactive real estate simulation. You go into a fictional town and your task is to sell four homes in six months. You go through different scenarios where you encounter different kinds of discrimination taken from real Fair Housing cases or members' FAQs. [43:09] The Fair Housing Champion Award was launched as part of the culture change around Fair Housing to celebrate people who are helping clients overcome historic barriers. Alexia discusses one applicant who stood out. [49:28] Alexia's final word: What agents do is much more important than a transaction. It's about the wealth that's generated from a transaction that will impact generations. [50:37] The minimum that agents can do is to keep the highest standard of compliance with the law and take training and classes. Alexia offers ideas on how to help make it better in your community. [53:04] All NAR certification and designation courses give you skills that help you level up your business so you can serve all your clients and your community better. Tweetables: "DEI supports Fair Housing. So, if we're inclusive, if we're diverse, and if we're open to different perspectives, then it naturally follows that we're going to treat consumers better because we have that lens on how we approach everybody." — Alexia Smokler "Once you start making those assumptions, you're down a dangerous road." — Alexia Smokler "Black folks earn 60% of the income that White people earn. But they have only about 12% of the wealth. … The average wealth of a White person [with] a high school education is higher than the wealth of a Black or Hispanic person who has a college education." — Alexia Smokler "Loan officers need more Fair Housing training." — Alexia Smokler Guest Links: Alexia Smokler asmokler@nar.realtor Fair Housing Champions: https://www.nar.realtor/fair-housing/fair-housing-champion-award Bias Override Class: https://www.nar.realtor/fair-housing/bias-override-overcoming-barriers-to-fair-housing The Sum of Us: What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together, by Heather McGhee The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America, by Richard Rothstein Long Island Divided NAR Resource Links At Home With Diversity® Bias Override Class Fairhaven.REALTOR NAR's ACT! initiative Additional Links: Microcourses found at Learning.REALTOR. Use the coupon code PODCAST to obtain 15% off the price of any microcourse! Crdpodcast.realtor Learning.REALTOR — for NAR Online Education Training4RE.com — List of Classroom Courses from NAR and its affiliates CRD.Realtor — List of all courses offered Host Information: Monica Neubauer Speaker/Podcaster/REALTOR® Monica@MonicaNeubauer.com MonicaNeubauer.com FranklinTNBlog.com Monica's Facebook Page Facebook.com/Monica.Neubauer Instagram Instagram.com/MonicaNeubauerSpeaks Guest Bio Alexia Smokler Alexia Smokler represents NAR's positions on Fair Housing to Congress and federal agencies and leads NAR's ACT! initiative, which emphasizes Accountability, Culture Change, and Training to advance fair housing in the industry. She led the development of Fairhaven: A Fair Housing Simulation, and Bias Override: Overcoming Barriers to Fair Housing. Alexia also oversees NAR's discrimination self-testing program for real estate brokerages, NAR's fair housing real estate licensure reform efforts, and other projects aimed at closing racial and ethnic homeownership gaps. Alexia serves as staff executive to NAR's Fair Housing Policy Committee and writes and speaks regularly on fair housing issues to audiences around the country. Her 2021 cover story for REALTOR® Magazine, Repairers of the Breach, won several awards for excellence in business-to-business journalism. Before joining NAR, Alexia worked in fair housing enforcement at HUD, on the staff of Congressman John Conyers, Jr., and with nonprofit civil rights organizations. She is admitted to practice law in Maryland and holds a law degree from the University of California, Berkeley, School of Law; a master's degree in public affairs from Princeton University's School of Public and International Affairs; and a bachelor's degree in government from Smith College. She lives in Alexandria, Virginia.

In this episode, we are joined by Mandy Neat who is going to discuss commonalities in homebuying trends with Generation Y (Millennials) and Generation Z. With significant cultural changes happening at increasingly fast speeds, we see notable differences in these generations. While we never want to generalize, there are some markers with these generations that can help us understand our clients better. In this episode, we learn more about these generations and how we can manage their expectations with preparation and communication. We want to help you be able to help them! [5:20] Mandy discusses the different generations. She brings up a conversation with a Gen Z about what he would want in a house. [7:33] Gen Y is the next largest home-buying group after Baby Boomers. [11:06] Mandy sees that people are not going right to college from high school. They see housing as an asset. Some are buying investment properties. [15:46] Younger Millennials are becoming first-time home buyers. They are trying to pay off their student debt, while Gen Z is avoiding going into student debt. [18:55] COVID-19 changed house-buying habits. At the beginning of COVID-19, Younger Millennials and Gen Z-ers jumped into the market without fear. [21:48] Gen Y and Gen Z want everything to be easy to understand. Home buying is potentially complicated and may take time. Mandy discusses the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) as a resource. [27:55] Younger people go to an app on their phone to get information. Real estate professionals need to get in front of technology trends. [30:11] Mandy talks about DPA (Down Payment Assistance) which can help clients buy a house. She also discusses knowing your Confirming Loan Limit. [34:44] Mandy shares that a lot of Gen Z-ers are using family gifts. There are All-In-One Loans where the home buyer can set up a GoFundMe account to be applied toward a down payment. Lenders are coming out with products to help young borrowers. [37:11] TikTok and YouTube make everything look so easy when it comes to home updates. People are opening their minds as to what is possible. [41:12] Mandy is seeing more people buying homes with spaces to work from home and have a social life at home. There is a lot of openness in floor plans. [44:19] Millennials care more about walkable city living rather than their apartment. Gen Z-ers are buying out of the city in more affordable growing areas. [47:35] Mandy comments on what she observed recently in Wichita, Kansas, with a community full of Gen Z-ers, built around diversity. [51:56] Mandy hopes that all generations will allow Gen Z and the younger Millennials to get in the conversation of infrastructures, jobs and how to make a difference. [52:40] If you enjoyed this episode, there are classes you can take to enhance your knowledge: ABR® (Accredited Buyer's Representation), and the Buyers by Generation: Success in Every Segment course. Tweetables: "It's just how their brains are wired. They have so much information. At 18, there's no reason not to go out and purchase, instead of paying all this tuition money, and build your legacy for your wealth in the future. It's an amazing generation." — Mandy Neat "We need good loan officers. We need to empower the mortgage industry to take time with people … and show them the numbers … and … professionals in the real estate community that are willing to … go over it with them to make sure all their questions are answered." — Mandy Neat "You can obtain a Down Payment Assistance Program and offset your down payment. Try to negotiate closing costs with the seller. You can come in with a minimal amount and own a half-a-million-dollar asset. What other country can you do that in?" — Mandy Neat "Gen Z and Millennials have this great thing where lenders are coming out with products to help them collect money to buy a house." — Mandy Neat Guest Links: Mandy Neat, REALTOR® Deputy Commissioner, Arizona Department of Real Estate Mandy Neat Mandy Neat at Realty One Arizona Association of REALTORS® WeSERV Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) Foreign Investment in Real Property Tax Act (FIRPTA) NAR Resource Links The ABR Designation The CIPS Designation Buyers by Generation Additional Links: Micro courses found at Learning.REALTOR. Use the coupon code PODCAST to obtain 15% off the price of any microcourse! Crdpodcast.realtor Learning.REALTOR - for NAR Online Education Training4RE.com — List of Classroom Courses from NAR and its affiliates CRD.Realtor - List of all courses offered If this conversation has helped you realize that perhaps more conversation about generations would be helpful, there are classes you can take: the ABR® and an elective, Buyers by Generation: Success in Every Segment. crd.realtor Host Information: Monica Neubauer Speaker/Podcaster/REALTOR® Monica@MonicaNeubauer.com MonicaNeubauer.com FranklinTNBlog.com Monica's Facebook Page Facebook.com/Monica.Neubauer Instagram Instagram.com/MonicaNeubauerSpeaks Guest Bio Mandy Neat Mandy Neat is the 2023 Treasurer for the Arizona Association of REALTORS®. She serves on committees and as a member of the board of directors for the local association WeSERV, which is the West and Southeast REALTORS® of the Valley, where she is also a Past President. She serves with the Arizona Association of REALTORS® and the National Association of REALTORS®. She obtained her license in 2004 and has continued to serve her community as an advocate for home ownership as well as assisting other professionals to succeed. She truly believes in her value statement of making you matter. As a current managing broker of Realty One Group, she puts her agents' needs and their clients first, daily.

Our guest for this episode is a long-time REALTOR®, trainer, and world traveler. Do you have a dream to travel somewhere? Is there a place that you already love in the world? For example, have you been to Cabo San Lucas eight times? Wouldn't it be great if you could be a connector with buyers and sellers with agents in Mexico? In the Caribbean? In Europe? In Asia? You can do that with your favorite areas in the U.S. and the world! In this podcast, Ginni Field talks about selling real estate and expanding your business in new ways. We also talk about international buyers and sellers in the United States with a focus on the Certified International Property Specialist (CIPS) designation. Join us on this podcast and expand your vision beyond your local area. [6:10] Monica asks the audience to stick with this episode to hear the interesting stories Ginni and Monica will share with consideration for the huge and growing influx of international immigrants, residents, and investors. [7:53] Ginni discusses what she learned from experiences in France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Spain, Portugal, and Germany. [11:56] When traveling the world, you have the opportunity to visit small towns and explore their history. Find people in your community from these areas and connect with them. You may be able to help them buy a home. [14:14] In most of the world, business is based so much on relationships. In America, relationships are huge and you need that network, but overseas, relationships are crucial. [15:18] In the Americas, the process of buying a home is a family affair. If they don't know you, they're not doing anything with you. When they know you and begin to trust you, business happens. [17:36] Where Ginni was teaching, there were good universities and schools everywhere, providing a place to build your business. [18:08] Find your niche and get connected to it. Be a part of those market areas and people. What businesses bring people into your market area, that hire people from other countries? [18:34] Foreign resident buyers may become citizens and still may be very connected to their foreign community. [21:42] When Ginni talks to people with work visas, they tell her they want to stay when their visa is over. Parents of foreign students in universities also will buy a home for their student in the U.S. with the hope of the student staying and the parents moving there because they own a home. [22:44] The Open Doors fact sheet says foreign students spend over $5 billion. Ginni gives estimates for several California universities. Do outreach at universities. [24:05] Look at the industries in your local community and where folks are coming from. Then begin to do outreach. Go where they are and network with them. [24:31] Refugee groups that settle in an area don't have the money to buy a house at the time, but as they become established, they work and build businesses, and become qualified to buy houses. [26:00] Ginni tells of a man who immigrated to the U.S. with next to nothing, wanting to build his life. Now, he is a millionaire, owning multiple buildings and worked hard to get there. [27:21] CIPS talks a lot about non-resident foreign buyers. These are investors buying houses more as investments than as homes. California attracts more than $1 billion in foreign direct investments from Japan, the UK, France, Canada, and Germany. [30:07] The fluctuation of exchange rates plays an important role in these investments. Fluctuations can cause a buyer to cancel. [32:14] The CIPS designation course teaches about the global market. If you're not paying attention to global opportunities, you're leaving profitable business on the table. [35:55] The world is more connected now than it ever was. Inflation is happening around the world. Pay attention to the world economy or you will miss out on tremendous opportunities. [36:33] There are investors for commercial properties, condo communities marketed internationally, college students, and refugee communities. There are many ways foreign investors purchase American real estate. [37:19] When you grow with these communities, learn about their visas and their needs, and connect them with lenders, you can help them. [38:22] Go to the HR departments of hospitals and colleges. Find out at the source how you can be a resource for their students, staff, employees, and medical professionals. [44:32] Look for international real estate conferences in a search engine and you will get a list of conferences you can attend. A list is also provided in the back of a CIPS manual. [48:11] Ginni notes that when you get your CIPS designation, you are part of a Facebook networking group. You can find an agent in the target country in minutes through the networking group [52:15] It's such a powerful thing that you can create a relationship no matter where somebody is in the world. We're all so interconnected. [52:38] Ginni's final word: "The most important thing is don't discount the global community. Don't discount the fact that the world really is a marble, that we are all so interconnected. And build that business and get the CIPS designation. It's such an important designation. Tweetables: "I want to share with you and your listeners the importance of global real estate, paying attention to it, and getting their Certified International Property Specialist designation. Don't miss out on opportunity!" — Ginni Field "It's all about the relationship and trust. … When you look at the Americas, it's a family affair. The process of buying real estate is often a family affair with a hierarchy. And if they don't know you, they're not doing anything with you." — Ginni Field "The fluctuation of exchange rates — you have to be paying attention to that. It matters more for the investor buyer than it does for the person who's going to live in the house. ... If the exchange rate fluctuates just enough, that deal might be gone." — Ginni Field "When you get your CIPS designation, you're now part of a networking group through social media, as well." — Ginni Field Guest Links: Ginni Field, REALTOR® ABR, AHWD, CIPS, CRB, C-RETS, ePro, GRI, MRP, PSA, RENE, RSPS, SFR, SRS, SRES Real Estate Trainer, Business Consultant, Risk Management Consultant, Business & Life Coach ginni@ginnifield.com www.ginnifield.com 858-774-7063 NAR Resource Links The CIPS Designation Additional Links: Micro courses found at Learning.REALTOR. Use the coupon code PODCAST to obtain 15% off the price of any microcourse! Crdpodcast.com Learning.REALTOR for NAR Online Education Training4RE.com — List of Classroom Courses from NAR and its affiliates crd@nar.realtor Host Information: Monica Neubauer Speaker/Podcaster/REALTOR® Monica@MonicaNeubauer.com MonicaNeubauer.com FranklinTNBlog.com Monica's Facebook Page Facebook.com/Monica.Neubauer Instagram Instagram.com/MonicaNeubauerSpeaks Guest Bio Ginni Field Ginni has been in real estate since 1986, beginning her career in Fairfield, CT, and moving to San Diego, CA, and continuing her real estate career in California. Throughout most of her real estate career, Ginni served in brokerage management positions in both states with her largest office consisting of 250 agents creating profitable real estate offices in each location. Ginni has also served as Vice President of Leadership Development for an international real estate franchise sales company where she developed agent and leadership curriculum for agents and brokerage leaders. Ginni continues to write real estate training content as well as work with real estate companies as a consultant and as a coach to individual real estate agents and teams. Achievements and Awards: ● REALTOR® Associate of the Year 1991 Greater Fairfield Association of REALTORS® ● President, Greater Fairfield Association of REALTORS® 1998 ● REALTOR® of the Year 1998, Greater Fairfield Association of REALTORS® ● Former Director, Connecticut Association of REALTORS® ● President, North San Diego County Association of REALTORS® 2004 ● Former Director, California Association of REALTORS® ● Regional Chair, Region 29, California Association of REALTORS® 2006 ● Executive Committee, California Association of REALTORS® 2007 ● Director, National Association of REALTORS® 2004‒2010 ● Former Member, National Association of REALTORS® Professional Development Committee ● Former Chair, Real Estate Business Institute Professional Development Committee ● Member, Real Estate Business Institute Learning Experiences Committee and Strategic Thinking Committee ● Former Director, Greater San Diego Association of REALTORS® ● Former Director, San Diego Multiple Listing System ● Inducted into the REBAC Hall of Fame 2013 ● CIPS Instructor of the Year 2018 ● Senior Real Estate Specialist Outstanding Service Award 2021

In this episode we welcome Matt Difanis and Robert Morris. April is Fair Housing Month, as people know, and we gratefully, as an organization, are getting more education and more awareness on the need for us to be more systemic, and more attentive, in order to provide excellent care to all who come to us. Matt Difanis and Robert Morris have been instrumental at the national level with course materials, ethics reconsiderations, and other conversations that are helping us pay more attention. They teachboth the At Home with Diversity course and Bias Override. They are grateful to be sharing these classes and this information with our members. In this episode, they share their stories on what has led them to be so committed to getting the message of Fair Housing out to others. Matt: [1:40] Let me start by saying none of this was on my radar up until just a few years ago. [2:00] I had the privilege of serving as the 2018 President of the Illinois REALTORS® and that meant I was on the leadership teams starting in 2016. And 2017, the year I was President-Elect, Illinois, like a lot of other associations, including NAR, was prepping for 50-year Fair Housing Act retrospectives and commemorative activities. [2:20] As Illinois prepared, I got my first bit of exposure to the absolutely awful history of our industry's involvement in housing discrimination [2:59] So, I went from unaware to aware, not just of our history of housing discrimination but also the hangover effect that still exists. [5:09] And so when you look at people who make it through to leadershp, it's important to recognize, they've had to be the minority of the minority who were willing to just go find a battering ram and just find a way to break through it. [5:28] And then, I had the opportunity after my time on the Illinois REALTORS® leadership team, I had the opportunity to serve as the 2020 President of the NAR Pro Standards Committee. [5:46] We were doing things virtually. And George Floyd was murdered on viral video, and the country was on fire, and we had a proliferation of hate speech. [6:04] Because of numerous requests made to them, President Vince Malta kicked over a request to my committee to look and see if there was a possible code of ethics solution. [6:57] You don't get to be a REALTOR® and engage in bigoted hate speech anywhere. [7:17] That led to the opportunity to do speaking and training. So, it's a genuine passion of mine. Robert: [9:23] "Now mine's a little bit different. As you guys know, I consider myself, maybe it's just my opinion, a Southern Gentleman, and I have been reared in the South my entire life. And so, as an American who happens to be Black, living in the South, it has always been an adventure. [10:28] So, my walk has been that way the whole time. I've gotten into this particular arena because I want to change hearts and minds. [10:59] And the other part is the fear factor that has always been associated with things that are different, things that people don't necessarily understand. [11:16] And so, my philosophy is that I meet people where they are because everybody's at a different stage, they've been exposed to different things, and depending on the culture that they've been reared in, depending on the influences that they've had. [11:38] One of the things I talk about is how culture affects us and that if we were reared in a culture by people that trusted us or by people we trusted and we loved, and they taught us things, based on their point of reference. [12:21] So I'd ask the question, "Why do you feel the way you feel about me if I have never done anything to you?" [13:06] So how are you going to respond now, based on what that is? So I think that discovery is important. [13:26] And my mission — and like Matt, I have been blessed to be exposed to tens of hundreds of people, to share thoughts with them. [12:53] So, in that walk that I've had, now for probably 20 years — that has been the mission, that I want people to have a better understanding of all of us and where we are, and just understanding that we are all just human beings. [14:41] I've never heard a person on a donor's list make that sort of request. They just want to live and we're more alike than we are different. Monica: [15:33] And now you're talking about something that is even more near to you. I'll briefly share my story as well because I came into it very differently and my experience is more international. [16:05] When I got older, I went to New York City, and then, ultimately, I went to live overseas, in another culture. [16:38] I was looking around, looking at the way people were talking to me and treating me and the way they did things, and I said, "These people really do not view the world and think about things the same way I do. [17:09] My mother was a Swedish immigrant. But the Swedish culture wasn't that different. It is kind of different from the Southern culture. But I'd always been in kind of a multicultural situation without realizing it. This really opened my eyes. [19:44] I call myself a hobby sociologist because I find so much of this fascinating. But then there came a time when I became more involved. [20:41] After seeing the memorial park in Tulsa,things opened up for me even more, and then, of course, the journey that Matt described about so many of the changes that happened in 2019 with the Newsday report (on housing discrimination). [22:22] People need to be exposed to different stories, and different journeys, and when they are… just like me, to grow and then finally find a place to speak what I had learned. [22:52] This journey has been fun in many respects. I feel very grateful to have had it. But isn't that the perspective that we all want to take, hopefully, when we go through something that's hard or different, that it changes us for the good? Discussion: [23:57] Monica stresses Robert's point about fear and his question, "Have I caused you to feel that way? Has anybody actually caused you to feel that way in a personal engagement?" [24:36] People are not born prejudiced. In their formative years, they were taught it or observed it from the people that mattered the most to them. [30:18] Robert teaches that the construct has been put together for those who were in authority and power. Robert talks about meeting people where they are. The Fair Housing Act covers everyone. [34:10] They discuss equity and equality. [49:11] Robert says we need to revisit constructs that are not equitable, and that involves changing hearts and minds. [53:31] Robert explains the terms Black American and African American. [58:04] Matt shares two favorite books. [1:01:41] Matt's last words: Matt was very trepidatious about going into unfamiliar spaces where he was going to be the outlier. Most of White America don't take that opportunity. Matt invites you to seek out and enter unfamiliar spaces as a listener. [1:02:56] Robert says, with Dr. King, I'd love to get to a place where I'm not judged by the color of my skin but by the content of my character. In America, if you work hard, you should be able to experience the American Dream. Tweetables: "And then [I] looked at the lack of inclusion that I was oblivious to, but like in 2017, the Illinois REALTORS®Board of Directors, the whole board: 100% white and 68% male! Home to a city many of you have heard of, Chicago. We didn't look like the state at all!" — Matt "It's not just about Black and White. There are a lot of different pieces to that puzzle." — Robert "We need to be able to give people targeted resources to offset structural disadvantages that we collectively as an industry inflicted on large swaths of our population." — Matt "As human beings, mindwise, you might say, 'Yeah, it's bad, but I kind of like the gig I've got.' and … 'I don't necessarily want to give up that.' That's human nature." — Robert "We're not that much different. … All of the things that you would want in your family are what all families would want. And hopefully, we can find a way as we travel this journey that we can become closer and better in those respects." — Robert Guest Links: Robert Morris — Linkedin.com/in/robertmorrisseminars Harvard Implicit Bias Test — Project Implicit Implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/user/agg/blindspot/indexrk.htm Matt Difanis Website — Mattdifanis.com The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America, by Richard Rothstein Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents, by Isabel Wilkerson The Sum of Us: What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together, by Heather McGhee NAR Resource Links Nar.realtor/fair-housing Nar.realtor/fair-housing/fair-housing-compiled-resources Fairhaven.REALTOR Additional Links: Micro courses found at Learning.REALTOR. Use the coupon code PODCAST to obtain 15% off the price of any online class! Crdpodcast.com Learning.REALTOR for NAR Online Education Training4RE.com — List of Classroom Courses from NAR and its affiliates New! Home Finance Resource (HFR) Certification crd@nar.realtor Host Information: Monica Neubauer Speaker/Podcaster/REALTOR® Monica@MonicaNeubauer.com MonicaNeubauer.com FranklinTNBlog.com Monica's Facebook Page Facebook.com/Monica.Neubauer Instagram Instagram.com/MonicaNeubauerSpeaks Guest Bios Robert Morris Robert Morris has been actively involved in real estate sales and training since 1985. He recently received the Tennessee REALTORS® Educator of the year award for the second time and served as President of the Middle Tennessee Association of REALTORS® from 2020‒2021. Robert graduated from the NAR Leadership Academy in 2022 and serves as a NAR Director from Tennessee REALTORS® for 2022‒2024. He has also been inducted into the Real Estate Buyer's Agent Council (REBAC) Hall of Fame for 2022. Robert is an international speaker, certified instructor, and professional development consultant on the Dynamic Directions, Inc. team and he is committed to making a positive difference in the lives of every person he meets. Matt Difanis Matt considers himself the world's most improbable DEI and fair housing evangelist. Matt served as the 2018 President of the 50,000 member Illinois REALTORS® trade organization. During his four years on the state leadership team, he went from unaware of any of these issues to aware, then concerned, and eventually outraged. In the last few years, he has developed a reputation for building bridges to historically marginalized groups that have been impacted by housing discrimination — particularly the Black community. Matt served as the 2020 Chair of the National Association of REALTORS® Professional Standards Committee, which is charged with updating and interpreting the NAR Code of Ethics. During his time leading that group, he advanced a series of proposals that eventually became Standard of Practice 10-5 in the Code of Ethics — a ban on discriminatory hate speech by REALTORS®. That journey has landed Matt in the pages of The New York Times, in a Bloomberg Businessweek feature about housing discrimination, as a live guest on Bloomberg Quicktake, and as the exclusive guest for a full hour on the Tavis Smiley Show on KBLA in Los Angeles. Matt is a full-time practitioner and multi-office broker-owner in Champaign, Illinois, where he leads a highly inclusive real estate team. On Sunday mornings, you can find him in the tech booth of Pilgrim Missionary Baptist Church, a historically Black church, where he runs sound and the live stream, as well as doing volunteer photography. Matt earned a bachelor's degree in psychology and his juris doctor from the University of Illinois.

Dr. Jessica Lautz is the Deputy Chief Economist and Vice President of Research at the National Association of REALTORS®. In this episode, she is going to share national data with us from NAR and discuss what she sees coming in the future. All of our crystal balls may be broken, but there are definitely patterns that can be seen. The core of Jessica's research focuses on analyzing trends for both NAR members and housing consumers. Through the management of surveys, focus groups, and data analysis, she presents new and innovative ways to showcase results. Let's see what she will teach us in this episode! [2:46] Jessica thinks we're in a moment of transition when existing home sales data show 12 months of decline but the decline seems to be getting smaller. [4:24] Our current sales numbers are lower than in 2019, before the pandemic. They are more in line with 2014 sales numbers. [6:51] The typical homeowner has been in their home for 10 years and has $210,000 in home equity. [7:14] In some scenarios, not only investors but a large share of primary residence repeat buyers are paying all cash for a home, because of the housing equity they have. [9:34] Home mortgage interest rates had gone down for several weeks continually before going back up to 6.3% from 6.1%. [10:53] Jessica says to pay attention to what happens after the Fed meets. NAR tracks interest rates and puts out a statement every Thursday on social media. [12:30] Jessica explains the indirect effect that the Fed raising interest rates may have on mortgage loan interest rates. [13:41] Jessica hopes that existing home sales in spring will be stronger than it was in the previous two months. She is starting to see early signs of it. [15:52] Jessica breaks down corporate investors. We know that they're present in the market, but has their share of the market gone up? [16:41] The investors of 2022 pushed first-time homebuyers out of the market. [18:18] In March of 2022 there were five-and-a-half offers for every home that was listed. [19:02] Jessica discusses credit card debt, student loan debt, and daycare costs. How are first-time homebuyers going to save a down payment when they use their credit card to buy eggs and milk? [22:01] Jessica believes that awareness of low-down-payment programs in communities is low. Putting that information out there for potential buyers is incredibly important. [25:15] Jessica discusses the aging population and the housing market. In the next three years, every Baby Boomer will be over the age of 60. [26:36] Retirees are looking for newer homes with bells and whistles where they can age in place. [33:54] Jessica shares a few of her favorite data points. [37:31] Jessica also shares that a lot of first-time homebuyers are trying to get out of their parents' homes and move into home ownership. [38:08] Jessica shares her links for NAR Research at NAR.realtor. You can also subscribe and share infographic posts from NAR Research on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. Tweetables: "We released our existing home sales data and it showed a continual decline — 12 months of decline — but it seems like the decline is getting smaller. … [It] is not necessarily a normal spring market; … interest rates are still high, but a more normal spring market." — Jessica "Buyers are coming back. They understand now that rates are higher but they may actually have an opportunity in the market, especially first-time homebuyers." — Jessica "It's also your long-term future. It's also the long-term savings and the gains that you have in home ownership that you don't have as a renter." — Jessica "Only 26% of the market was first-time homebuyers last year. In a healthy market, it would be 40%. So we really lost first-time homebuyers last year." — Jessica Guest Links: Dr. Jessica Lautz NAR.realtor Research section NAR Research on Facebook NAR Research on Instagram NAR Research on Twitter Email data@nar.realtor Additional Links: Micro courses found at Learning.REALTOR. Use the coupon code PODCAST to obtain 15% off the price of any online class! Crdpodcast.com Learning.REALTOR for NAR Online Education Training4RE.com — List of Classroom Courses from NAR and its affiliates New! Home Finance Resource (HFR) Certification crd@nar.realtor Host Information: Monica Neubauer Speaker/Podcaster/REALTOR® Monica@MonicaNeubauer.com MonicaNeubauer.com FranklinTNBlog.com Monica's Facebook Page Facebook.com/Monica.Neubauer Instagram Instagram.com/MonicaNeubauerSpeaks Additional Bio: Dr. Jessica Lautz is the Deputy Chief Economist and Vice President of Research at the National Association of REALTORS®. In 2021, Dr. Lautz was named one of Housing Wire's Women of Influence, a list representing 100 of the most influential women in leadership in the housing industry. In 2022 and 2023, Dr. Lautz was named RIS Media Newsmaker in My Influencer and Crusader categories, respectively.

With interest rates rising, we are seeing changes in the mortgage industry. Not all lenders, though, are created equal. They have various levels of education and experience, just as real estate agents do. They need to be the expert in the loan department for our clients. Like so many areas of our work, we need to have some knowledge of the process to help our clients, and be on top of the process. In this episode, our guest, Debra Killian, has been in the mortgage business for over 25 years. She has financial, banking, accounting, and business experience. She has also been a contributor for the Home Finance Resource Certification Course. In this episode we are going to discuss loans, lenders, money laundering and so much more! [3:41] This episode will touch on the importance of having an understanding of all the major loan types, and the best ways that we can work with lenders to improve the experience for our clients. [4:32] Deb explains that there are so many misconceptions about how the mortgage lending business works. There are differences between banks, credit unions, mortgage bankers, and mortgage brokers. Most real estate agents don't see the big differences between these lenders. [5:16] The first big difference is the licensing and education requirements. [8:07] There is a fine line between representing your client with questions and asking too many questions of the lender. The missing piece is understanding why the lender is doing what they are doing. There are so many moving parts. [14:19] Just as agents need to have a formal consultation with their clients, so do lenders, to get to know them and share all the information. Filling out the application online is not the way to do it. Deb says technology has really hurt the process in a lot of ways. [15:13] Deb discusses 10 questions every originator must ask their customer before starting an application. [16:24] The originator needs to set the expectations with the customer and also with the REALTOR® from the standpoint that there is a high level of trust between the agent and the originator. [19:06] Deb explains lender turn times, and how they affect the contract date. How many delays will there be from missing documents? Deb tells how the inspections and appraisal fit into the timing. [22:02] Deb's advice to REALTORS®: Don't write the contract until you've got the agent and the lender on the phone to set the contingency date and closing date and lock the loan. [25:03] Deb discusses conforming and non-conforming loans. [32:27] Deb discusses pre-approval and pre-qualification letters. [34:07] Contingency dates may vary by location. Deb explains how a mortgage contingency date can protect the seller. [42:13] Deb talks about fee sheets. They are specific to all service providers involved, such as the title company and the attorney. [47:25] Deb shares statistics. Over the last five years, according to a December 2022 report, over $2.3 billion has been laundered through U.S. real estate. [49:00] Most crimes involve money laundering because they don't want to pay tax on the money and they're trying to hide it. [52:50] A real estate agent cannot advise someone how to convert cash into usable funds. If a client asks, direct them to a financial professional, their bank, title company, or an attorney. [54:39] If you're required to comply with anti-money laundering, you must take annual education. [55:40] Money might be laundered if it is in large amounts of cash. Deb explains beneficial ownership. [1:01:42] Deb gives some history of anti-money laundering legislation. [1:02:56] Deb's final word: "If you can develop good, strong relationships with the lenders that you work with, individual originators (not the company reputations), … Let them do their job, you do your job. We need to stay in our lanes but we need to be communicating about what's going on in those lanes. Tweetables: "There are a lot of lost opportunities when we run into problems because then it becomes heads butting against one other sometimes. Many times it is for that reason because the customer didn't give us what we needed." — Debra "There is no reason for any experienced originator not to know every single piece of paper that an underwriter's going to ask for. … We don't have to wait until the file goes to underwriting, wait for the approval to come back, and say, 'Now I need five more things.'" — Debra "There are these misconceptions about things and nobody asks those questions." — Debra "Nothing's risky with full disclosure. If a buyer understands that they're taking a three-year ARM with a 9% interest rate and they understand what that means, and they understand what's going to happen after three years when that ARM expires, … then it's not risky." — Debra "[The agent could tell the mortgage originator] Don't be surprised if something goes wrong here because they're not being upfront." — Debra "There is no right way to do the wrong thing" — Debra Guest Links: Debra Killian deb@cloes.online cloes.online Additional Links: Microcourses can be found at Learning.REALTOR. Use the coupon code PODCAST to obtain 15% off the price of any microcourse! Crdpodcast.com Learning.REALTOR for NAR Online Education Training4RE.com — List of Classroom Courses from NAR and its affiliates New! Home Finance Resource (HFR) Certification crd@nar.realtor Host Information: Monica Neubauer Speaker/Podcaster/REALTOR® Monica@MonicaNeubauer.com MonicaNeubauer.com FranklinTNBlog.com Monica's Facebook Page Facebook.com/Monica.Neubauer Instagram Instagram.com/MonicaNeubauerSpeaks Additional Bio:Debra Killian, our guest, has been in the mortgage business for over 25 years. She has financial, banking, accounting, and business experience. She started originating retail residential mortgages in 1994 and has overseen and managed over $1 billion in closed mortgages, representing thousands of buyers. Debra has a passion and a unique background and lots of experience in writing and delivering her courses to mortgage and real estate professionals. In 2011, Debra co-authored The Mortgage Professional: National Residential Mortgage Loan Originator, a textbook for the 20-hour pre-licensing course for U.S. Licensing and Mortgage Loan Originators. Debra was the driving force, author, and instructor for the MBA School of Loan Origination. In 2018, Debra founded cloes.online, an online education platform for real estate finance. She is an NMLS-approved provider and course developer and trainer.

This episode discusses important ways of working with buyers, including understanding what buyers want, expressing the value that REALTORS® bring to the table, and how to get compensated in a changing environment. We take a closer look at how REALTORS® can improve their systems with buyers. How do we best serve our buyers, and what does that look like moving forward? Lynn Madison is an ongoing contributor and instructor for the Accredited Buyer's Representative (ABR®) designation. She will be sharing her wisdom in this month's episode! [4:05] Agents have told Lynn that what they have learned in the ABR® class assisted them in doing a better job for their clients. [4:36] ABR® has been updated to show how to make a buyer's offer stronger in a multiple-offer situation. [7:01] Your value proposition is what you do, why you do it, and how that is important to the buyer. [9:17] Too many agents think their job is done when the contract is signed. The ABR® class talks about the Code of Ethics, the Rules, and Multiple Offers. [10:09] Lynn tells buyers when the contract is signed that her role on their team is the quarterback. She explains team dynamics. [12:22] ABR® covers working with first time home buyers and discusses the Buyer Representation Agreement. [18:31] A significant portion of the ABR® course talks about the Buyer Counseling Session. [26:34] NAR statistics show that home buyers are staying in their houses for eight to ten years when they used to stay in a house for five to six years. The world has changed in 10 years. [29:01] Why would you show houses to a buyer you have not had a counseling session with and has not been pre-approved by a lender? [32:18] Lynn shares from her 15 years of experience as an expert witness in real estate suits against REALTORS®. [35:09] Agents want to take care of their buyers, but you also need to take care of yourself. The risk management side of this is so important. [39:33] Lynn wants you to know one word: Safety. Even in daylight, be careful. Check out Episode "074: REALTOR® Safety Tips with Tracey Hawkins," linked below. [40:45] Lynn gives advice about Contract Consultations. It is our responsibility to explain the contract to our clients. [56:11] You will never get compensation if it is not spelled out at the beginning of your representation of a buyer in a Buyer's Representation Agreement. This is a major paradigm shift in the way we've been doing things. [59:25] Lynn explains that without the buyer broker offer of compensation, sellers would be getting lower offers. [1:03:49] Buyers and agents are having conversations on Facebook that are a mess! Your buyers and sellers are going onto the internet and getting their information about houses. Lynn discusses what you can do. [1:07:21] Lynn's final word is Education! You need to take your designation programs and keep yourself educated. Be better today than you were yesterday. That's how you grow. Tweetables: "One of the great things about being involved with ABR® as long as I have been here is I've watched it grow along with some of the agents who have taken it, and taken it more than once, by the way. … We change the ABR® class as the business changes." — Lynn "We need to know how to write a contract that has a reasonable chance of being the chosen one, as I call it. If we're going to end up in a multiple-offer, we cannot just keep throwing money at it because, after a while, the buyer doesn't qualify anymore; the property isn't going to appraise." — Lynn "We've got to find ways to make our buyers' offers stronger; more appealing to the sellers, and we've got that! We did a change to ABR® to put in there how to make the buyer's offer stronger in a multiple-offer situation." — Lynn "I don't know why you would want to go out and show houses to a buyer you have not had a counseling session with and you have not had pre-approved by a lender." — Lynn Guest Links: www.madisonseminars.com lynn@madisonseminars.com 847-757-5710 "065: Agent Consultation and Client Expectations with Ali Whitley" "074: REALTOR® Safety Tips with Tracey Hawkins" "044: Safety Tips for REALTORS® with Donny Allen" Additional Links: Microcourses can be found at Learning.REALTOR. Use the coupon code PODCAST to obtain 15% off the price of any microcourse! Crdpodcast.com Learning.REALTOR for NAR Online Education Training4RE.com — List of Classroom Courses from NAR and its affiliates crd@nar.realtor Host Information: Monica Neubauer Speaker/Podcaster/REALTOR® Monica@MonicaNeubauer.com MonicaNeubauer.com FranklinTNBlog.com Monica's Facebook Page Facebook.com/Monica.Neubauer Instagram Instagram.com/MonicaNeubauerSpeaks Additional Bio: As a primary author of the ABR®, SFR, and PSA courses and a contributing author of SRS and RENE, Lynn brings intelligence, street-smarts, years of expertise, and humor to the sessions she facilitates. As a past president of the Mainstreet Organization of REALTORS®, her local association with 20,000+ members in Illinois, as well as serving on too many local, state, and national committees to list, she has a passion for real estate that she brings to her classes and a vast array of knowledge that she gets from being on all those committees. Lynn has been honored as an Illinois REALTOR® of the Year, REBI Distinguished Educator Award as well as being a REBAC Hall of Fame award winner. Her years as the VP of Career Development for one of Chicagoland's largest brokerages, along with her top production status gave her the background she needed to transition to training, which is where she now focuses her talents. She is the author of over 20 continuing education classes in Illinois. She has also served on the state Continuing Education Task Force and the CE Curriculum and Instructor Development Subcommittees. Locally Lynn has served on the Board of Directors for her 20,000+ local association, Mainstreet Organization of REALTORS®, and proudly served as President of Mainstreet in 2016. Lynn is ITI certified, a member of the Real Estate Educators Association, was a National Educator of the Year award winner, has received the Educator of the Year award from AIREE, the Illinois real estate educator of the year and REALTOR® of the Year honors from her local association in 2003 and was named the Illinois Association REALTOR® of the Year for 2011 and most recently was honored with the Distinguished Educator Award from the REBI division of NAR for 2022. www.madisonseminars.com lynn@madisonseminars.com

When you talk to some serial entrepreneurs you need to put on your seatbelt! Lots of us, as REALTORS®, have that entrepreneurial bent, starting and running our own businesses. Imran Poladi started young selling real estate. He served as Vice President of NextHome Real Estate since the launch of the company in 2014 until July 2022. He has mentored brokerage owners and as a speaker, he's taught thousands of agents concepts of business, real estate, and living life. In this episode, we are talking about business planning. But we're also talking about living life the way you want to live it. Though Imran loves business, he also likes taking control of his life and changing it up sometimes. He lives in California. You can read his full story at ImranPoladi.com. [4:11] Business planning comes around every year. Imran shares his take on this topic. [6:41] Some people start their business planning at the end of December. Imran says you need to know what your budget looks like in the fall. [9:22] Every year, you rebuild your business. Do you want to grow your business? Do you want to maintain your business? What are the elements you consider when you're planning your business? [9:53] Imran works backward. He operates off a "need" goal and a "want" goal. [15:14] Imran cites the Five Love Languages, by Gary Chapman. Imran teaches a version of this in his speeches around the country. He speaks of the Five Love Languages of Real Estate. [21:18] Every individual has personal motivations. It doesn't help you to ask someone else what you should be motivated by. You already know what your motivations are. [23:05] Start your blueprint by understanding what you're not willing to do. [27:58] When you try something, you learn from what happens when you try it. You'll learn new communication skills. You're going to learn something with everything you try. [31:11] Imran shares the 30-30-40 rule. [37:36] Before making a big change, talk to the people that it affects. Are you setting the foundation that when the change happens, you're prepared for it? [39:32] Make sure that ultimately the change ends up making you happy in what you're doing. [43:56] If you look at your beginning business and try to imitate someone's established business, it can set you back in your career. [55:07] Where can you go to get a one-to-four or one-to-three return on your lead generation spending? [57:40] The key is finding how you get to your top 100 connections. Imran cites the book 1,000 True Fans. [59:26] People can't get to know you if you're hiding who you really are. Live according to your core principles so people know what to expect of you. [1:04:20] Imran says, if you want to do really well in business, you have to connect with people who have the same drive as you, the same enthusiasm as you, and the same willingness to learn as you. [1:07:58] If you want to hear more suggestions or direction for business planning, we have Episodes 8, 9 and 63. You can find them at CRDpodcast.com. Tweetables: "Let's line up your business planning in two formats: 'need' goal, 'want' goal. And then let's go for the 'need' goal first so that way you create the foundation." — Imran "It's always important for us to figure out who is our customer, who are we helping, and where do we get the joy in helping them?" — Imran "When you start with figuring out what it is that's the 'no,' it creates the blocks … for the 'yeses.' … What is your 'no'? If you know what your 'noes' are, then you can configure your 'yeses' to them." — Imran "If you're strategic about it, everything works." — Imran "The question then becomes why are you standing in front of that machine [of online lead generation] putting a dollar in and getting 75 cents out? And keep doing it? That's how you have to look at your business." — Imran Guest Links: Imran Poladi ImranPoladi.com The Five Love Languages: The Secret to Love that Lasts, by Gary Chapman Tommy Choi 1000 True Fans: Use Kevin Kelly's Simple Idea to Earn A Living Doing What You Love, by Jon Longhurst "008: Business Planning, Part 1: The Principles with Mark Given" "009: Business Planning, Part 2: Applying the Principles with Misty Woodford, Trish Myatt, and Barry Owen" "063: Real Estate Business Planning for 2022 with Brent Lancaster" Additional Links: Micro courses found at Learning.REALTOR. Use the coupon code PODCAST to obtain 15% off the price of any online class! Crdpodcast.com Learning.REALTOR for NAR Online Education Training4RE.com — List of Classroom Courses from NAR and its affiliates crd@nar.realtor Host Information: Monica Neubauer Speaker/Podcaster/REALTOR® Monica@MonicaNeubauer.com MonicaNeubauer.com FranklinTNBlog.com Monica's Facebook Page Facebook.com/Monica.Neubauer Instagram Instagram.com/MonicaNeubauerSpeaks