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Review of Democracy
RevDem Podcast is brought to you by the Review of Democracy, the online journal of the CEU Democracy Institute. The Review of Democracy is dedicated to the reinvigoration, survival, and prosperity of democracies worldwide and to generating innovative cross-regional dialogues. RevDem Podcast offers in-depth conversations in four main areas: rule of law, political economy and inequalities, the history of ideas, and democracy and culture.
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Jan 13, 2025 • 27min
Overcoming Membership Fatalism - A Conversation with Tom Theuns on Democratic Theory and His Immanent Critique of the EU
In this conversation at the Review of Democracy,
Tom Theuns – author of Protecting Democracy in
Europe: Pluralism, Autocracy and the Future of the EU – reflects on EU institutions’ rather narrow conception of democracy and their complicity in democratic backsliding
in EU member states; considers how a more coherent and effective response to the latter processes could be designed; critiques the EU’s ‘membership fatalism’ and explains why he has proposed an expulsion mechanism; and positions his approach within political theory and discusses the reception of his ideas also beyond that field.
Tom Theuns is a Senior Assistant Professor of Political Theory and European Politics at the Institute of Political Science, Leiden University.
Protecting Democracy in Europe: Pluralism, Autocracy
and the Future of the EU has been published by
Hurst Publishers and Oxford University Press (US).

Jan 6, 2025 • 47min
How Did Right-Wing Populists Win the Immigration Debate and What Can Mainstream Parties Do About It?
In this conversation with Sheri Berman, Professor of Political Science at Barnard College, we engage with her key
argument that growing support for right-wing populism is primarily a consequence of mainstream parties’ failure to address popular concerns about immigration. We dissect the ‘representation gap’ argument, discuss alternative explanations (namely, the issue of racism and xenophobia), explore salient differences between center-left and center-right parties, and highlight strategies that mainstream parties have used and could use to respond to citizens’ concerns and demands on immigration.
The conversation is based on Sheri Berman’s article, “Democracy and Diversity in Western Europe,” published in the October 2024 (35/4) issue of the Journal of Democracy

Dec 18, 2024 • 52min
End of the Year Podcast 2024
What were the defining events of 2024? Which new
publications impressed us the most? What do we expect from the upcoming year in global politics and in terms of new intellectual trends? Today, we, editors of the Review of
Democracy bring you our traditional end of the year podcast.
2024 has been another exciting year for our journal.
We have managed to expand in new directions, doubling our core team of editors and opening global horizons, while continuing to focus on our main thematic
priorities – Democracy and Culture, the History of Ideas, Political Economy, and the Rule of Law.
This episode features no fewer than nine speakers:
co-managing editors Robert Nemeth – who acted as our host – and Ferenc Laczó, global editors Anubha Anushree, Ece Ozbey, and Gabriel Pereira as well as section heads Oliver Garner, Adrian Matus, Alexandra Medzibrodszky, and Kristóf
Szombati.
Enjoy the holidays – and don’t forget to return in
early 2025 when we shall bring you more fresh analyses and reflections!

Dec 16, 2024 • 37min
Landing the Paris Climate Agreement - Todd Stern on a Groundbreaking Document and What It Took to Make It Happen
In this conversation at the Review of Democracy,
Todd Stern – former United States Special Envoy for Climate Change – explains what made the Paris Climate Agreement such a groundbreaking document and what kind of bargaining and compromises it took to make it happen; discusses the place and role of the US within its broad coalition as well as his extensive engagement with his crucial Chinese partners; and considers major new possibilities to tackle climate change effectively and current obstacles to do so.

Dec 13, 2024 • 27min
Authoritarian International Law? - In Conversation with Tom Ginsburg
International law is a live instrument in the current
global geopolitical crisis. This latest RevDem Rule of Law podcast, conducted by Konstantin Kipp with Professor Tom Ginsburg, reflects upon the potentially authoritarian nature of international law in its function of enabling relations between states.
Authoritarian regimes have traditionally been
reluctant to engage in robust forms of international cooperation. Reasons for this may include strong nationalist views, and concerns that cross-border engagement could invite interference in domestic affairs or constrain the
government’s autonomy. Consequently, international law has largely been shaped by liberal democracies.
However, this stance appears to be shifting in the 21st
century. Just as authoritarian regimes once recognized the strategic value of adopting new constitutions and utilizing seemingly democratic institutions in order to gain legitimacy, they are now beginning to see international law as a
potential tool to legitimize their policies and strengthen the pursuit of their preferences.
This development was identified by Professor Tom
Ginsburg in his 2020 article “Authoritarian
International Law?” published in the American Journal of International Law. Half a decade on from this publication, Professor Ginsburg discusses his findings on this still-emerging phenomenon and considers its potential
future developments.
Past, Present, and Future Authoritarian International
Law
Ginsburg provides an introduction to the history of
Authoritarian International Law (AIL), highlighting the pivotal turning point as marked by the year 2006. He claims that this was the peak for global democracies and that subsequently the story is one of decline. The conversation explores current developments in international law, raising a concern that the United States’ potential shift towards isolationism could cede the international playing field to authoritarian forces like China or Russia, thereby fueling the development of AIL.
Ginsburg describes AIL as “designed to extend the
survival and reach of authoritarian rule across space and/or time.” AIL is seen as having the potential not only to secure the persistence of existing authoritarian regimes, but also to be a possible trigger for further authoritarianism. The podcast addresses the extent to which this feature is inherently embedded within AIL, given that liberal democracies tend to pose a challenge to authoritarian regimes. Ginsburg reflects upon whether there is a danger
that authoritarians might create entirely new international legal systems and institutions, or else seek to capture and transform existing bodies.
While an American return to isolationism might fuel
the development of AIL, there is also significant
concern that the U.S. could veer toward dictatorship during Donald Trump’s second presidency. Statements by President-elect Trump, such as suggestions that people “won’t have to vote anymore,” imply at the very
least authoritarian aspirations. Ginsburg reflects upon whether U.S. isolationism is truly the main danger to international law, or instead whether a government under Donald Trump may actively engage in promoting AIL. Ginsburg offers his view on why, despite his authoritarian nature, Donald Trump will not be able to become the dictator of the United States of America.
Authoritarian European Union Law?
While the European Union continues to embody
relatively strong democratic values among most Member States compared to other regions, right-wing
populism with authoritarian aspirations has also been on the rise. The EU's most notable authoritarian leader, Viktor Orbán, has recently advocated that right-wing populists should “occupy” Brussels. Ginsburg considers whether the emergence of authoritarian EU law may be possible.
One of the EU’s current strategies for addressing “backsliding” on its values, including democracy and the Rule of Law, is financial conditionality. It remains to be seen whether this tool may effectively halt the trend towards authoritarianism in the long term, or whether it may indeed
exacerbate it. Ginsburg concludes his reflections on the supranational dimension of AIL by musing upon whether the Eurasian Economic Committee, discussed in his 2020
article, could evolve into a serious competitor that promotes authoritarian rather than democratic values in the Europe-Asia region.
Preventing the Emergence of Authoritarian
International Law
Tom Ginsburg suggests that there is a strong possibility that the 21st century will be known more as an authoritarian century rather than a democratic one. The notion that
international law guarantees a right to democratic governance has faced substantial criticism; Ginsburg challenges this idea as well. The podcast concludes with reflection upon the options for democratic countries to prevent international law becoming authoritarian. Could civil society – whether or not such societies aspire to be ‘open’ or not – prevent the authoritarian transformation of international law? Ginsburg concludes his contributions by
emphasizing how recent developments in South Korea illustrate the vital role of civil society in the struggle for democracy. Such struggle, for democracy and against authoritarianism, is set to continue in the second half of the 2020s.

Dec 9, 2024 • 29min
The Mystic Candidate - Călin Georgescu’s Blend of Orthodox Faith, Mysticism, and Power
In this conversation at the Review of Democracy, Ionuț Biliuță discusses the connections between Orthodoxy and nationalism in Romania and to what extent they have influenced this year’s presidential elections; the revival of narratives concerning ‘fascist martyrs’ by Călin Georgescu and other radicals; the impact the 2018 Constitutional referendum on same-sex marriage had on radicalization; the ideas in transnational circulation that have inspired Georgescu's statements, including Alexander Dugin’s and
those of Donald Trump’s Evangelical supporters; and the steps that the Romanian Orthodox Church could take to dissociate itself from far-right discourses.

Dec 4, 2024 • 25min
The Rise of Successful Political Outsiders in Latin America: Lessons Learned from Argentine President Javier Milei
Join Review of Democracy Latin American Editor Gabriel Pereira as he hosts Andrés Malamud,
a leading scholar of Latin American politics, to discuss a crucial development in current political affairs: the rise
of successful political outsiders in Latin America.
The podcast focuses on and draws lessons from the experience of current Argentine president Javier Milei. It delves into pivotal questions: How do outsiders get elected in a political system designed to secure electoral competition among established political leaders? How do they navigate
constraints posed by legislatures dominated by opposition? Does the rise of political outsiders from the global north influence the progress of these Latin American leaders? Does the radical right-wing ideology of outsiders make them
more effective? What are the lessons for understanding current Latin American politics?

Dec 2, 2024 • 33min
The Return of Dictatorship - Grzegorz Ekiert and Noah Dasanaike on Dictatorial Drift, Autocracy Promotion and Strategies to Oppose Them
We are thrilled to publish the second episode of our monthly special in cooperation with the Journal of Democracy. In the framework of this new partnership, authors shall discuss outstanding articles from the newest print issue of the Journal of Democracy.
In this conversation, Grzegorz Ekiert and Noah Dasanaike explain their concept of dictatorial drift and how various countries have moved toward full autocracy in
recent years; discuss new features of dictatorships in the early 21st century and how such regimes relate to each other; consider whether it makes sense to compare the growing trend of autocracy promotion with democracy
promotion; and reflect on how full autocracies might be opposed more effectively in the future.
The conversation is
based on Grzegorz Ekiert and Noah Dasanaike’s article, “The Return of Dictatorship,” published in the
October 2024 (35/4) issue of the Journal of Democracy.

Nov 27, 2024 • 41min
Revising European Integration History in an Age of Uncertainty - Karin van Leeuwen, Aleksandra Komornicka, and Koen van Zon on Their Interdisciplinary Handbook with a Historical Focus
In this conversation at the Review of Democracy, Karin van Leeuwen, Aleksandra Komornicka, and Koen van Zon – contributors to The Unfinished History of European Integration that has now appeared in a revised edition – elucidate the main questions that organize their
overview of European integration history; reflect on the applicability and usefulness of various influential theories when trying to narrate the history of European integration today; show what special contributions historians can
make to the interdisciplinary study of the European Union; and discuss recent advances in the historiography of European integration, specifying questions that would deserve more attention in the future.

Nov 25, 2024 • 34min
On Muslim Democracy: Essays and Dialogues
Join Review of Democracy Ideas editor Alexandra Medzibrodszky as she hosts Professor Andrew March, a leading scholar of political philosophy and Islamic
thought, to discuss On Muslim Democracy: Essays and Dialogues. The book focuses on Rached
Ghannouchi’s political thought and offers a unique perspective on the intersection of Islamic principles and modern democratic governance.
The podcast delves into pivotal questions: What distinguishes “Islamic Democracy” from “Muslim Democracy” in Ghannouchi’s work? How does Ghannouchi balance the realities of practical politics with the ideals of Islamic thought? Professor March also reflects on the challenges of
translating Arabic political philosophy into English, shedding light on the complexities of capturing essential terms and ideas across languages.
A unique aspect of the book is the Philosophical-Theological
Dialogues, based on in-person conversations between March and Ghannouchi.
These dialogues provide a rare and engaging format, bringing Ghannouchi’s ideas into conversation with Western political theory and reveal how cross-cultural intellectual engagement can deepen our understanding of democracy’s diverse expressions.