
Curve Your Enthusiasm
Welcome to Curve Your Enthusiasm by CIBC Capital Markets, the only podcast in the world focusing on the Canadian economy and fixed income market.
Latest episodes

Jun 17, 2022 • 24min
Break on through to the other side
Ian is joined this week by Paul Jenkin, and the duo kick-off the episode discussing their take of the FOMC meeting. The largest hike from the Fed since the mid-90s didn’t come entirely as expected, with a hawkish set of forecasts pitted against a dovish press conference. Paul discusses the reasons he expects policy rates to set higher than current market pricing, and what that means for bank portfolio behavior. The pair spend some time discussing asset-swap valuations, and what lower housing may mean for funding markets. Paul finishes the episode by providing his view on provincial spread valuations.

Jun 13, 2022 • 33min
The strangest recession you ever did see
Ian and Andrew start the episode by discussing Friday’s data deluge, particularly the red-hot inflation reading in the United States. Andrew talks about the implications for Canada based on the drivers of U.S. CPI strength, noting that both the near-term peak and the end-of-year resting spot have now increased. The duo spend a lot of time talking about the options for the Bank of Canada, and introduce CIBC’s new forecasts for the target rate, which is higher as a result of the data. Ian talks about why CAD rates have been underperforming of late, and why he likes being long cross-market now. Andrew finishes the episode by looking at the odd type of recession he believes could transpire if rates are risen too high.

Apr 22, 2022 • 26min
The inflation episode
The scorching hot CPI report has created yet another shock for the market, and the probability of an even more ‘forceful’ response from the Bank of Canada seems warranted. In this episode, Ian and Andrew do a deep dive on the latest report and talk about the many methodology adjustments StatsCan is making to the basket. The co-hosts take some time to go over the new forecasts presented in the MPR from last week, and unveil CIBC’s new policy forecast. Ian discusses why back-end rates underperformed recently, as well as some of the risks to the Bank’s QT implementation.

Apr 1, 2022 • 24min
A hike too far?
In the 50th episode of Curve Your Enthusiasm, Ian and Andrew begin the show discussing the strength in the recent Canadian GDP numbers. Ian talks about data sensitivity and the bond market, while Andrew highlights why he thinks the path to terminal matters. The co-hosts both outline why they think the Fed is more likely to take short-run terminal above long-run neutral, and Andrew discusses the work he is doing on Canadian NAIRU. The proximity to the federal budget sparks a conversation with the duo, and Ian outlines his expectations for bond issuance in the year-ahead.

Mar 4, 2022 • 27min
Well that was anticlimactic
The Bank of Canada (BoC) hiked interest rates for the first time since 2018, and the episode begins with a dissection of the statement. This week, Ian is joined by Andrew Grantham, Senior Economist in CIBC Economics. Once the pair establish what was surprising from the BoC, they spend some time discussing why C$100.0 oil in 2022 has a different impact than C$100.0 oil in 2014. Andrew discusses his upside view on inflation, while also discussing the latest trends in provincial economics. Ian and Andrew spend some time talking about what impacts terminal rates, and ultimately agree to disagree.

Feb 22, 2022 • 24min
The multiverse of credit & rates
Ian is joined this week by Josh Kay, and the duo begin the episode talking about the benefits, and dangers, of a non-standard sized hike. Ian discusses the required trade off between a higher terminal rate and a faster pace of hikes and why the curve is currently ‘trapped’. Josh spends some time discussing how credit markets are reacting to higher interest rates, while also taking a look back at recent Canadian credit performance. The pair finish the episode talking about portfolio construction and whether or not credit spreads have already reached the lows for the year.

Feb 8, 2022 • 19min
Peak macro?
On this episode of CYE, Ian and Nick begin this episode discussing whether or not markets are priced for peak macro conditions. Ian talks about the importance of the BoE and ECB meetings on the global stock of negative yielding debt, and how that dynamic may interrupt traditional flattening trends into a hiking cycle. Nick discuss productivity trends within the context of where the market is pricing-in terminal policy rates in North America, while Ian gives a highlight on what to expect from Governor Macklem’s speech this week. The pair end the episode by looking at the long-end of the curve.

Jan 28, 2022 • 21min
This is the way
Ian is joined this week by Jeremy Saunders from CIBCs XVA trading group. The duo kick-off the episode by discussing the Bank of Canada and Fed meeting this week, looking at the primary reasons why the Bank decided to delay the first hike until March. Jeremy discusses the importance of preserving forward guidance as a policy tool, and contrasts the messaging between the two post-meeting press conferences. Ian provides his view on the BoC balance sheet, and unveils the firms new central bank and interest rate forecasts. Jeremy throws cold water on the short 2yr swap spread narrative, and provides his favorite trades for the next few weeks. The pair finish the episode by looking at the difference between terminal and neutral rates in North America, and discuss the implications for longer-term forward rates.

Jan 21, 2022 • 23min
The path of least regret
Ian is joined this week by Craig Bell, and the duo cover a lot of ground heading into the Bank of Canada interest rate decision next week. The episode begins with an in-depth discussion on why the Bank can credibly delay rate hikes in January. Craig goes on to discusses the path ahead for swap spreads, while Ian spends some time walking through what balance-sheet rolloff will look like in Canada, and why it isn’t as big a deal for the bond market as in the United States. The co-hosts spend some time discussing the misalignment in the front-end of the CAD curve, and Craig provides his favorite trading expressions over the next week.

Jan 17, 2022 • 21min
New beginnings
Ian is on the hunt for a new co-host, and is joined this week by Nick Exarhos to discuss a host of themes that matter right now for the bond market. The duo begin their discussion on what quantitative tightening (QT) would look like from the Bank of Canada, and the key differences we should expect relative to the Fed. Nick discusses the impact of fiscal drag in the United States on the growth outlook, and questions whether excess savings is enough offset the slowdown. Ian spends some time talking about the upcoming BoC MPR and why he doesn’t believe the Bank will hike rates this month. The pair discuss the evolution of the curve and have a friendly disagreement on the level of provincial spreads.