BrakeSec Education Podcast

We discuss SANS courses, including the one I just took (SEC504). How did I do in class? You can listen to the show and find out. Since it's been a few weeks, we also discuss all the interesting WannaCry reports, the ease at which this vulnerability was exploited, and why would a company allow access to SMB (tcp port 445) from the Internet? We discuss some upcoming training that we are holding starting 14 June. Ms. Sunny Wear will be doing 3 sessions discussing the use of Burp, and showing how to exploit various web application vulnerabilities.  Details are in the show notes and in our Slack Channel.   Ms. Sunny Wear is doing a web app security class Starts June 14th at 1900 Eastern (1600 Pacific, 2300 UTC)  Sign up for the class at the $20 dollar Patreon level (if you plan on attending) Sign up for immediate video access at the $10 Patreon level (cannot attend class, but want to follow along) Everyone will have access to the Slack Channel to follow along with the class, ask questions, etc (join our #slack channel for more information) https://www.patreon.com/bds_podcast   Direct Link:   http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-018-SANS_course-EternalBlue-Samba-DerbyCon.mp3 RSS: www.brakeingsecurity.com/rss   Youtube Channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFjAqFb4A60M1TMa0t1KXw iTunes Store Link:  https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brakeing-down-security-podcast/id799131292?mt=2  #Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/music/m/Ifp5boyverbo4yywxnbydtzljcy?t=Brakeing_Down_Security_podcast   -------- Jay Beale’s Class “aikido on the command line: hardening and containment” JULY 22-23 & JULY 24-25    AT BlackHat 2017 https://www.blackhat.com/us-17/training/aikido-on-the-command-line-linux-hardening-and-containment.html   --------- Join our #Slack Channel! Sign up at https://brakesec.signup.team #iHeartRadio App:  https://www.iheart.com/show/263-Brakeing-Down-Securi/ #SoundCloud: https://www.soundcloud.com/bryan-brake Comments, Questions, Feedback: bds.podcast@gmail.com Support Brakeing Down Security Podcast on #Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/bds_podcast #Twitter: @brakesec @boettcherpwned @bryanbrake #Player.FM : https://player.fm/series/brakeing-down-security-podcast #Stitcher Network: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=80546&refid=stpr #TuneIn Radio App: http://tunein.com/radio/Brakeing-Down-Security-Podcast-p801582/      SHOW NOTES:   SANS experience Pity Quincenera - I (bryan) sucked Need more experience Speed kills (I (bryan) got flustered and I shutdown) you took speed? No Kali - was surprised, until I thought of why :D Was not helpful to my team (jacek, ryan, Michael C., David) John Strand was phenomenal Frank Kim was great The audio was not, unfortunately :(     Samba/SMB (port 445) vulns Use case for having it exposed? **** OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS ***** What does that say about the company? No security team, or the security team is ineffectual about telling people about the risks? What MS17-010 is the new MS08-067 http://thehackernews.com/2017/05/samba-rce-exploit.html Over 400,000 open to the web https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WannaCry_ransomware_attack   Training announcement:   Ms. Sunny Wear doing a web app security class Starts June 14th Sign up for the class at the $20 dollar Patreon level Sign up for immediate video access at the $10 Patreon level  https://www.patreon.com/bds_podcast     Who’s Slide is it Anyways? @ImprovHacker https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeLS0barWRdKVjPPyZ82lvC0UQMaDTJXRwF11qItlbZOrrf6A/viewform?c=0&w=1   #infosec #podcast #webAppSec #application #security

 Zero trust networking may be a foreign concept to you, but Google and others have been utilizing this method of infrastructure and networking for quite a while now. It stands more traditional networking on it's head by not having a boundry in the traditional sense. There's no VPN, no ACLs to audit, no firewall to maintain... Sounds crazy right? Well, it's all about trust, or the lack of it. No one trusts anyone without a proper chain of permission. Utilizing 2FA, concepts of port knocking, and CA certificates are used to properly vet both the host and the server and are used to keep the whole system safe and as secure as possible. Sounds great right? Well, and you can imagine, with our interview this week, we find out that it's not prefect, people have to implement their own Zero Trust Networking solution, and unless you are a mature organization, with things like complete asset management, data flow, and configuration management, you aren't ready to implement it. Join us as we discuss Zero Trust Networking with Doug Barth (@dougbarth), and Evan Gilman (@evan2645)   Direct Link: http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-017-Zero_Trust_Networks.mp3 Youtube Channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFjAqFb4A60M1TMa0t1KXw iTunes Store Link:  https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brakeing-down-security-podcast/id799131292?mt=2  #Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/music/m/Ifp5boyverbo4yywxnbydtzljcy?t=Brakeing_Down_Security_podcast   --------- Jay Beale’s Class “aikido on the command line: hardening and containment” JULY 22-23 & JULY 24-25    AT BlackHat 2017 https://www.blackhat.com/us-17/training/aikido-on-the-command-line-linux-hardening-and-containment.html   --------- Join our #Slack Channel! Sign up at https://brakesec.signup.team #RSS: http://www.brakeingsecurity.com/rss #iHeartRadio App:  https://www.iheart.com/show/263-Brakeing-Down-Securi/ #SoundCloud: https://www.soundcloud.com/bryan-brake Comments, Questions, Feedback: bds.podcast@gmail.com Support Brakeing Down Security Podcast on #Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/bds_podcast #Twitter: @brakesec @boettcherpwned @bryanbrake #Player.FM : https://player.fm/series/brakeing-down-security-podcast #Stitcher Network: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=80546&refid=stpr #TuneIn Radio App: http://tunein.com/radio/Brakeing-Down-Security-Podcast-p801582/     show notes:   The lines are blurring:   DevOps NetOps SDN SDP docker/containerization 2FA authentication   https://devcentral.f5.com/articles/load-balancing-versus-application-routing-26129 http://www.darkreading.com/attacks-breaches/zero-trust-the-way-forward-in-cybersecurity/a/d-id/1327827 All good points, except no one wants to do the needful bits (ID’ing information, data flow, proper network design) https://www.beyondcorp.com/   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Defined_Perimeter   Where is this Google article??? http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/google-zerotrust-network-own-cloud,1-2608.html https://cloud.google.com/beyondcorp/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/06/googles_beyondcorp_security_policy/   Who benefits from this? Network engineers, apparently… :) Devs? IT? Sounds like a security nightmare… who would get the blame for it failing   How do we keep users from screwing up the security model? Putting certs on their personal boxes?   Prior BrakeSec shows:  Software Defined Perimeter with Jason Garbis http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-011-Software_Defined_Perimeter.mp3   http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920052265.do   Doug Barth Twitter: @dougbarth   Evan Gilman Twitter:  @evan2645   Runs counter, right? We are used to not trusting the client…   A Mature company can only implement Device inventory Config management Data flow Asset management   Micro-services?   Brownfield networks Sidecar model - Certain OSes not possible

 Malware is big business, both from the people using it, to the people who sell companies blinky boxes to companies saying that they scare off bad guys. The latest marketdroid speak appears to be the term 'fileless malware', which by definition...   FTA: “Malware from a "fileless" attack is so-called because it resides solely in memory, with commands delivered directly from the internet. The approach means that there's no executable on disk and no artefacts ("files") for conventional computer forensic analysis to pick up, rendering the attacks stealthy, if not invisible. Malware infections will still generate potential suspicious network traffic.”   https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/28/fileless_malware_menace/ -- by definition, not ‘fileless’ But many of the 'fileless' attacks require a 'file' to be opened to enable the initial infection. This week, Michael Gough (@hackerhurricane) comes on to discuss his latest blog post (http://hackerhurricane.blogspot.com/2017/05/fileless-malware-not-so-fast-lets.html) and we discuss the fact that a lot of malware classification and categorization and how it fails to actually convey to leaders what it affects   https://business.kaspersky.com/targeted-attacks-trends/6776/ http://www.binarydefense.com/powershell-injection-diskless-persistence-bypass-techniques/ Direct Link: http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-016-fileless_malware_reclassifying_malware_types.mp3   Youtube Channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFjAqFb4A60M1TMa0t1KXw iTunes Store Link:  https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brakeing-down-security-podcast/id799131292?mt=2  #Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/music/m/Ifp5boyverbo4yywxnbydtzljcy?t=Brakeing_Down_Security_podcast   Bsides Springfield, MO Eventbrite for Tickets: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/bsides-springfield-tickets-33495265240 (only 27 tickets left as of 28 Apr)   --------- Jay Beale’s Class “aikido on the command line: hardening and containment” JULY 22-23 & JULY 24-25    AT BlackHat 2017 https://www.blackhat.com/us-17/training/aikido-on-the-command-line-linux-hardening-and-containment.html   --------- Join our #Slack Channel! Sign up at https://brakesec.signup.team #RSS: http://www.brakeingsecurity.com/rss #iHeartRadio App:  https://www.iheart.com/show/263-Brakeing-Down-Securi/ #SoundCloud: https://www.soundcloud.com/bryan-brake Comments, Questions, Feedback: bds.podcast@gmail.com Support Brakeing Down Security Podcast on #Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/bds_podcast #Twitter: @brakesec @boettcherpwned @bryanbrake #Player.FM : https://player.fm/series/brakeing-down-security-podcast #Stitcher Network: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=80546&refid=stpr #TuneIn Radio App: http://tunein.com/radio/Brakeing-Down-Security-Podcast-p801582/

This week, we have a little story time. Developers should be aware of the kinds of vulnerabilities their code can be attacked with. XSS, Buffer overflows, heap overflows, etc should be terms that they understand. But is it enough that they are 'aware' of them, and yet seem to do nothing? Or should they be experts in their own particular area of development, and leave infosec people to deal with more generic issues? We discuss the pros and cons of this argument this week, as well as how the idea of training people are flawed, because of who holds the purse strings.    Direct Link: http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-015-security_expert-vs-Security_aware_devs.mp3   Youtube Channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFjAqFb4A60M1TMa0t1KXw iTunes Store Link:  https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brakeing-down-security-podcast/id799131292?mt=2  #Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/music/m/Ifp5boyverbo4yywxnbydtzljcy?t=Brakeing_Down_Security_podcast   Bsides Springfield, MO Eventbrite for Tickets: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/bsides-springfield-tickets-33495265240 (only 27 tickets left as of 28 Apr)   --------- Jay Beale’s Class “aikido on the command line: hardening and containment” JULY 22-23 & JULY 24-25    AT BlackHat 2017 https://www.blackhat.com/us-17/training/aikido-on-the-command-line-linux-hardening-and-containment.html   --------- Join our #Slack Channel! Sign up at https://brakesec.signup.team #RSS: http://www.brakeingsecurity.com/rss #iHeartRadio App:  https://www.iheart.com/show/263-Brakeing-Down-Securi/ #SoundCloud: https://www.soundcloud.com/bryan-brake Comments, Questions, Feedback: bds.podcast@gmail.com Support Brakeing Down Security Podcast on #Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/bds_podcast #Twitter: @brakesec @boettcherpwned @bryanbrake #Player.FM : https://player.fm/series/brakeing-down-security-podcast #Stitcher Network: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=80546&refid=stpr #TuneIn Radio App: http://tunein.com/radio/Brakeing-Down-Security-Podcast-p801582/

So, I (Bryan) had a bit of a work issue to discuss. It has become one of my myriad jobs at work to write up some policies. In and of itself, it's not particularly fun work, and for whatever reason, this is causing me all kinds of issues. So this week we take a quick look at why I'm having these issues, if they are because I don't get it, or because the method I must follow is flawed. After that, we add on to last week's show on #2FA and #MFA (http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-013-Multi-factor_auth_gotchas_with_Matt.mp3) by discussing why scientists are trying to create a 'master fingerprint' capable of opening mobile devices. We talk about FAR and FRR (false acceptance/rejection rates), and why the scientists may actually be able to pull it off. We discussed Ms. Berlin's trip to the AIDE conference (https://appyide.org/), a two day #DFIR conference held at Marshall University by our good friend Bill Gardner (@oncee on Twitter). She gave a great interactive talk on working through online wargames and CTFs, and we get her update on the conference. Finally, we did discuss a bit about the #ShadowBroker dump of #NSA tools. We discussed how different people are taking this dump over the #Wikileaks #CIA dump.   Direct Link: http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-014-Policy_writing_for_the_masses-master_fingerprints_disneyland.mp3 Youtube Channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFjAqFb4A60M1TMa0t1KXw iTunes Store Link:  https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brakeing-down-security-podcast/id799131292?mt=2    --------- Jay Beale’s Class “aikido on the command line: hardening and containment” JULY 22-23 & JULY 24-25    AT BlackHat 2017 https://www.blackhat.com/us-17/training/aikido-on-the-command-line-linux-hardening-and-containment.html     --------- Join our #Slack Channel! Sign up at https://brakesec.signup.team #RSS: http://www.brakeingsecurity.com/rss #Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/music/m/Ifp5boyverbo4yywxnbydtzljcy?t=Brakeing_Down_Security_podcast #iHeartRadio App:  https://www.iheart.com/show/263-Brakeing-Down-Securi/ #SoundCloud: https://www.soundcloud.com/bryan-brake Comments, Questions, Feedback: bds.podcast@gmail.com Support Brakeing Down Security Podcast on #Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/bds_podcast #Twitter: @brakesec @boettcherpwned @bryanbrake #Player.FM : https://player.fm/series/brakeing-down-security-podcast #Stitcher Network: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=80546&refid=stpr #TuneIn Radio App: http://tunein.com/radio/Brakeing-Down-Security-Podcast-p801582/     --- show notes----   Discuss AIDE with Ms. Berlin   Log-MD.com posted their first video.   Fingerprint Masters (a case against biometrics): http://www.popsci.com/computer-scientists-are-developing-master-fingerprint-that-could-unlock-your-phone http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/master-prints-unlock-phones/ Encrypted comms causing issues for employers: https://iapp.org/news/a/employers-facing-privacy-issues-with-encrypted-messaging-apps/   ShadowBrokers dump “Worst since Snowden” https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/the-latest-shadow-brokers-dump-of-alleged-nsa-tools-is-awful-news-for-the-internet https://theintercept.com/2017/04/14/leaked-nsa-malware-threatens-windows-users-around-the-world/   Making policies, easier said than done Discuss DefSec chapter on Policies Difficulty: aligning policies with compliance standards FedRamp, PCI, etc Writing a good policy so that it follows the guidelines   http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920051671.do -- Defensive Security Handbook

Most everyone uses some kind of Multi-factor or '2 Factor Authentication". But our guest this week (who is going by "Matt" @infosec_meme)... Wanted to discuss some gotchas with regard to 2FA or MFA, the issues that come from over-reliance on 2FA, including some who believe it's the best thing ever, and we finally discuss other methods of 2FA that don't just require a PIN from a mobile device or token. We also discuss it's use with concepts like "beyondCorp", which is google's concept of "Software Defined Perimeter" that we talked about a few weeks ago with @jasonGarbis (http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-011-Software_Defined_Perimeter.mp3) This is a great discussion for people looking to implement 2FA at their organization, or need ammunition if your boss thinks that all security is solved by using Google Auth. Direct Link: http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-013-Multi-factor_auth_gotchas_with_Matt.mp3 Youtube Channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFjAqFb4A60M1TMa0t1KXw iTunes Store Link:  https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brakeing-down-security-podcast/id799131292?mt=2    --------- Jay Beale’s Class “aikido on the command line: hardening and containment” JULY 22-23 & JULY 24-25    AT BlackHat 2017 https://www.blackhat.com/us-17/training/aikido-on-the-command-line-linux-hardening-and-containment.html     --------- Join our #Slack Channel! Sign up at https://brakesec.signup.team #RSS: http://www.brakeingsecurity.com/rss #Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/music/m/Ifp5boyverbo4yywxnbydtzljcy?t=Brakeing_Down_Security_podcast #iHeartRadio App:  https://www.iheart.com/show/263-Brakeing-Down-Securi/ #SoundCloud: https://www.soundcloud.com/bryan-brake Comments, Questions, Feedback: bds.podcast@gmail.com Support Brakeing Down Security Podcast on #Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/bds_podcast #Twitter: @brakesec @boettcherpwned @bryanbrake #Player.FM : https://player.fm/series/brakeing-down-security-podcast #Stitcher Network: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=80546&refid=stpr #TuneIn Radio App: http://tunein.com/radio/Brakeing-Down-Security-Podcast-p801582/   Show Notes:   What does MFA try to solve: Mitigate password reuse Cred theft - Someone stealing credentials from embarassingadultsite.com and turns they work out on a totallyserious.gov RDP server Phishing bad - same as above, except now you convince someone totallyseriousgov.com is legit and they give you credentials   Cred theft: Getting to the point where old mate literally has more password dumps than time https://www.troyhunt.com/i-just-added-another-140-data-breaches-to-have-i-been-pwned/ Honestly not going away, and combined with password reuse makes things pretty bad   Phishing: Happens. META: do we need to back this up with some stats?  https://blog.barkly.com/phishing-statistics-2016   MFA / Bad things happening with that: AU Telecommunications provider sent multifactor SMS to wrong people https://www.itnews.com.au/news/telstra-sending-sms-to-wrong-numbers-after-exchange-fire-449690 RSA was owned years ago - and had to reissue a bunch of tokens http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/08/technology/securid_hack/ https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/the-rsa-hack-how-they-did-it/?_r=0 On the plus side, obviously increased cost to attacker significantly to do that Phishing frameworks are everywhere Misc / Turns out U2F makes phishing kind of dead? (Read first amendment) https://breakdev.org/evilginx-advanced-phishing-with-two-factor-authentication-bypass/ Appears Backed up by the spec ( ‘Origin’ / https://fidoalliance.org/specs/fido-u2f-v1.1-id-20160915/fido-u2f-overview-v1.1-id-20160915.pdf)   Phishing/2FA/Solutions? a) What does multifactor actually solve? b) Are we (infosec industry) issuing multifactor solutions to people just so people make money? c)  Do these things give a *false* sense of security? d) What do you think about storing the token on the same box? Especially given an actor on the box is just going to steal creds as they’re entered.   Internal training / is this actually working? Australia Post didn't think so https://www.itnews.com.au/news/why-australia-post-ransomwared-its-own-staff-454987   Counterpoints: It's irritating and does break at times ( https://twitter.com/dguido/status/842448889697447938 ) C: I don’t like running some silly app on my phone C: I also don’t like running around with a physical token C: Embedding a Yubico nano in my usb slot leaves me with one usb port left Also doesn’t solve when someone just steals that token   Does any of it matter: Beyondcorp / "Lets make the machines state be part of the credential" https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//pubs/archive/43231.pdf Tl;dr of paper: TPMs, certificates and a lot of health checks - think of NAC on steroids Is there some way we (not google) can make it so a credential is worthless?   Solutions: Duo / “There's an app on my phone and it has context about what wants to do something right now” Probably a step in the right direction Kind of like some Aus banks which SMS you before transferring $X to Y account Okta - (grab links to spec) META // Does this actually solve it? OAUTH - (grab links to spec) Attacking OAUTH - https://dhavalkapil.com/blogs/Attacking-the-OAuth-Protocol/ META // It’s not MFA, but it makes the cost of unrelated compromise significantly lower META // Engineering things to short lived secrets is a better idea   I think one of the better ideas being put out was by google in 2014, the ‘beyondcorp’ project (https://research.google.com/pubs/pub43231.html), simply put: The devices used everywhere are chromebooks run in standard mode rather than developer mode (Whitelisting For Free™) Everything is a web app Everything else can’t run due to app whitelisting built-in The device needs to also authenticate before the user can do anything, and is used as part of the judgement for access control engines Everything cares about the machine the user is using - It’s part of the credential Passwords are no longer important and it’s all single sign on Suddenly credential theft doesn’t matter The device uses certificates to attest to its current state, so stolen passwords without a valid device don’t matter As the device is a glorified web browser, and has app whitelisting, you’re not going to get code execution on it, malware no longer matters Caveat, someone will probably think of some cool technique and that’ll ruin everything See: Problem of induction / “Black swan event”   Obviously this is a massive undertaking and would require massive overhaul of everything, but it did look like Google were able to pull it off in the end. (https://research.google.com/pubs/pub44860.html).   Tavis is banging on LastPass again…  https://www.ghacks.net/2017/03/21/full-last-pass-4-1-42-exploit-discovered/   Duo Security // Beyondcorp https://duo.com/blog/beyondcorp-for-the-rest-of-us More info on Beyondcorp https://www.beyondcorp.com   Misc// Hey google wrote a paper on U2F a while back http://fc16.ifca.ai/preproceedings/25_Lang.pdf Touched on briefly / “Secure Boot Stack and Machine Identity” at Google - Servers which need to boot up into a given state (Sounds like U/EFI except ‘ Google-designed security chip’) https://cloud.google.com/security/security-design/resources/google_infrastructure_whitepaper_fa.pdf META // Patrick Gray (sic) interviewed Duo last week and talked about the same thing https://risky.biz/RB448/

One of our Slackers (people who hang with us on our Slack Channel) mentioned that he was writing exam materials for one of the programs created by the UK Government to train high school and/or people headed to university in skills without the traditional 4 year education track. I was very intrigued by this, since we don't appear to have anything like this, outside of interning at a company, which means you're not considered a full-time employee, have no benefits, and there's no oversight about what you are learning. (Your mileage may vary) So we asked Liam Graves (@tunnytraffic) to come on and discuss his experience, and how he was enjoying it. We discuss various methods of alternative educations here and in the UK, as well as why someone should possibly consider an apprenticeship. We also discuss how that would work in the US (or could it?) Also, I very sorry Ireland ... :) I did not mean to lump you in the rest of the Commonwealth... Direct Link:  http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-012-UK_Gov_apprenticeships_with_Liam_Graves.mp3 Youtube Channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFjAqFb4A60M1TMa0t1KXw iTunes Store Link:  https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brakeing-down-security-podcast/id799131292?mt=2    ----- HITB announcement: “Tickets are on sale, And entering special code 'brakeingsecurity' at checkout gets you a 10% discount". Brakeing Down Security thanks #Sebastian Paul #Avarvarei and all the organizers of #Hack In The Box (#HITB) for this opportunity! You can follow them on Twitter @HITBSecConf. Hack In the Box will be held from 10-14 April 2017. Find out more information here: http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2017ams/ --------- Join our #Slack Channel! Sign up at https://brakesec.signup.team #RSS: http://www.brakeingsecurity.com/rss #Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/music/m/Ifp5boyverbo4yywxnbydtzljcy?t=Brakeing_Down_Security_podcast #iHeartRadio App:  https://www.iheart.com/show/263-Brakeing-Down-Securi/ #SoundCloud: https://www.soundcloud.com/bryan-brake Comments, Questions, Feedback: bds.podcast@gmail.com Support Brakeing Down Security Podcast on #Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/bds_podcast #Twitter: @brakesec @boettcherpwned @bryanbrake #Player.FM : https://player.fm/series/brakeing-down-security-podcast #Stitcher Network: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=80546&refid=stpr #TuneIn Radio App: http://tunein.com/radio/Brakeing-Down-Security-Podcast-p801582/   --   Show Notes: UK apprenticeship schemes: long established though a recent focus shift back from academic achievement to hands-on skills and understanding/applying more than just remembering. End Point Assessment - project based final assessment.   A mix of targeted learning and on-the-job experience working towards a brief: https://www.thetechpartnership.com/globalassets/pdfs/apprenticeship-standards/cyber-intrusion-analysis/occupational-brief-cyber-intrusion-analyst.pdf   Boring - but some background reading. Apprentices at this level will use levels 1-3 of Bloom’s taxonomy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom's_taxonomy) 1) Remembering (What type questions). 2) Understanding (Which of these/Why type questions) 3) Applying (It this then what scenarios and questions)   Other schemes include (new and existing): Cyber Intrusion Analysts Cyber Security Technologists Data Analysts Digital Marketers Infrastructure Technicians IT Technical Salesperson Network Engineers Software Developers Software Development Technicians Software Testers Unified Communications Trouble-shooters (no idea what these ones are) Unified Communications Technicians   https://www.gov.uk/apply-apprenticeship (links for Scotland & Wales on the same page).   https://www.thetechpartnership.com/about/ - employers drive the training for the type of employees they need.   Routes to employment - fast paced industry so 1) older pathways may not be relevant. 2) there are so many ways in to the industry pick the right one for you - there’s a difference between people who appreciate structured learning, are autodidactic, learn extra and over what’s expected, dev, risk, red/blue team, academic, hands-on, etc.   Internships (rarer, though some degrees offer a year in industry and will assist in making positions available)   Graduate schemes - very common, will give a grad opportunities to move around the business. Direct hires from uni.   IBM has a trade school - hiring 2,000 US Veterans in the next 5 years https://www.axios.com/ibm-2000-jobs-exclusive-2317626492.html   Technical schools http://www.browardtechnicalcolleges.com/ http://www.bates.ctc.edu/ITSpecialist   DoL apprenticeship programs https://oa.doleta.gov/bat.cfm   Difference between ‘for-profit’ and ‘trade schools’   Internships = some companies are paying fat bank: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/04/summer-interns-at-tech-start-ups-are-making-six-figure-salaries   Washington State trades/apprenticeships Mostly ‘blue’ collar positions http://www.lni.wa.gov/TradesLicensing/Apprenticeship/Programs/TradeDescrip/ Few ‘technical positions’   Not sure there is an ‘apprenticeship’ in the US, outside of ‘internships’ that are given to college students No ‘junior security architects’, or ‘junior pentesters’ Yet non-technical positions have junior slots Manager / Senior manager, Project manager / Sr. Project manager   Difficulty in infosec apprenticeships What are the ‘starter’ jobs? IT related Sysadmins Log analyst   Useful links: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/huge-response-to-join-cyber-security-apprenticeship-scheme https://www.gov.uk/guidance/cyber-security-cni-apprenticeships https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/new-talent   All available apprenticeships: https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/apprenticeship-standards   Employer commitments: https://www.gov.uk/take-on-an-apprentice   For people looking to pivot from non-Infosec jobs into cyber security: https://cybersecuritychallenge.org.uk/about/new-to-the-challenge https://www.scmagazineuk.com/government-cyber-retraining-academy-graduates-snapped-up-by-industry/article/647986/ https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/apprenticeship-levy-how-it-will-work/apprenticeship-levy-how-it-will-work      

We talked with Jason Garbis this week about Software Defined Perimeter (SDP). Ever thought about going completely without needing a VPN? Do you think I just made a crazy suggestion and am off my medications? Google has been doing it for years, and organizations like the Cloud Security Alliance are expecting this to be the next big tech innovation. So much so, that they are already drafting version 2 of the SDP guidelines. So after talking with a friend of mine about how they were trying to implement it, he suggested talking to Jason, since he was on the steering committee for it. While Jason does work for a company that sells this solution, our discussion with him is very vendor agnostic, and he even discusses an open source version of SDP that you could implement or test out as a PoC (details in show notes below). This is a great topic to stay on top of, as one day, your CTO/CIO or manager will come by and ask about the feasibility of implementing this, especially if your company assets are cloud based...  So have a listen! Direct Link:  http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-011-Software_Defined_Perimeter.mp3 Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFjAqFb4A60M1TMa0t1KXw Itunes: (look for '2017-011') https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brakeing-down-security-podcast/id799131292?mt=2       ----- HITB announcement: “Tickets are on sale, And entering special code 'brakeingsecurity' at checkout gets you a 10% discount". Brakeing Down Security thanks #Sebastian Paul #Avarvarei and all the organizers of #Hack In The Box (#HITB) for this opportunity! You can follow them on Twitter @HITBSecConf. Hack In the Box will be held from 10-14 April 2017. Find out more information here: http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2017ams/ --------- Join our #Slack Channel! Sign up at https://brakesec.signup.team #RSS: http://www.brakeingsecurity.com/rss #Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/music/m/Ifp5boyverbo4yywxnbydtzljcy?t=Brakeing_Down_Security_podcast #iHeartRadio App:  https://www.iheart.com/show/263-Brakeing-Down-Securi/ #SoundCloud: https://www.soundcloud.com/bryan-brake Comments, Questions, Feedback: bds.podcast@gmail.com Support Brakeing Down Security Podcast on #Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/bds_podcast #Twitter: @brakesec @boettcherpwned @bryanbrake #Player.FM : https://player.fm/series/brakeing-down-security-podcast #Stitcher Network: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=80546&refid=stpr #TuneIn Radio App: http://tunein.com/radio/Brakeing-Down-Security-Podcast-p801582/     ---   Show Notes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Defined_Perimeter https://cloudsecurityalliance.org/group/software-defined-perimeter/     Hmmm… seems like a standard created by companies selling their products for it         Have a product, create a problem, fix the problem...   How much alike is this to things like ‘Beyondcorp’?     https://www.beyondcorp.com/     http://www.networkworld.com/article/3053561/security/learning-about-sdp-via-google-beyondcorp.html   De-perimeterization - removing all the bits ‘protecting’ your computer     Treat your computers as ‘on the Internet’     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-perimeterisation https://collaboration.opengroup.org/jericho/SPC_swhitlock.pdf   https://github.com/WaverleyLabs/SDPcontroller   2FA becomes much more important, or just plain needed, IMO --brbr   Questions:     How will development of applications change when attempting to implement these technologies?         If we allow deperimeterization of legacy apps (like Oracle products), with a complicated security model, how do you keep these older apps under control?       Can this cut down on the “Shadow IT” issue? Does the user control the certs?     How does this work with devices with no fully realized operating systems?         Phones, HVAC, IoT         Legacy SCADA or mainframes?       What is the maturity level of a company to implement this?         What minimum requirements are needed?             Asset management?             Policies?         Who/how do you monitor this?             More blinky boxes?             Will WAFs and Web proxies still function as expected?     Are there any companies companies were this is not a good fit?         What’s the typical timeline for moving to this network model?         What’s the best way to deploy this?             Blow up old network, insert new network?             Phase it in with new kit, replacing old kit?     Compliance         How do explain this to auditors?             “We don’t have firewalls, that’s for companies that suck, we are 1337” Other than “scalability” (which seems like regular solutions would have as well) I’d like to know what real value they provide

Our very own Ms. Berlin and Mr. Lee Brotherston (@synackpse), veteran of the show, co-authored an #O'Reilly book called the "Defensive Security Handbook" We talk with Amanda and Lee (or Lee and Amanda :D ) about why they wrote the book, how people should use the book, and how you can maximize your company's resources to protect you. The best thing is that you can pick up the ebook right now! It's available for pre-order on Safari books (Link), or pre-order on Amazon.com (Link) Hope you enjoy! Direct Link: http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-010-Defensive_Security_handbook.mp3 Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFjAqFb4A60M1TMa0t1KXw Itunes: (look for '2017-010') https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brakeing-down-security-podcast/id799131292?mt=2    Previous Lee Brotherston episodes: Threat Modeling w/ Lee Brotherston Is your ISP MiTM-ing you  Lee fills in for Mr. Boettcher, along with Jarrod Frates TLS fingerprinting application   #Bsides #London is accepting Call for Papers (#CFP) starting 14 Febuary 2017, as well as a Call for Workshops. Tickets are sold out currently, but will be other chances for tickets. Follow @bsidesLondon for more information. You can find out more information at https://www.securitybsides.org.uk/    CFP closes 27 march 2017 ------ HITB announcement: “Tickets are on sale, And entering special code 'brakeingsecurity' at checkout gets you a 10% discount". Brakeing Down Security thanks #Sebastian Paul #Avarvarei and all the organizers of #Hack In The Box (#HITB) for this opportunity! You can follow them on Twitter @HITBSecConf. Hack In the Box will be held from 10-14 April 2017. Find out more information here: http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2017ams/ --------- Join our #Slack Channel! Sign up at https://brakesec.signup.team #RSS: http://www.brakeingsecurity.com/rss #Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/music/m/Ifp5boyverbo4yywxnbydtzljcy?t=Brakeing_Down_Security_podcast iHeartRadio App:  https://www.iheart.com/show/263-Brakeing-Down-Securi/ SoundCloud: https://www.soundcloud.com/bryan-brake Comments, Questions, Feedback: bds.podcast@gmail.com Support Brakeing Down Security Podcast on #Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/bds_podcast #Twitter: @brakesec @boettcherpwned @bryanbrake #Player.FM : https://player.fm/series/brakeing-down-security-podcast #Stitcher Network: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=80546&refid=stpr #TuneIn Radio App: http://tunein.com/radio/Brakeing-Down-Security-Podcast-p801582/  

Wikileaks published a cache of documents and information from what appears to be a wiki from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). This week, we discuss the details of the leak (as of 11Mar 2017), and how damaging it is to blue teamers. To help us, we asked Mr. Dave Kennedy  (@hackingDave) to sit down with us and discuss what he found, and his opinions of the data that was leaked. Mr. Kennedy is always a great interview, and his insights are now regularly seen on Fox Business News, CNN, and MSNBC. Dave isn't one to rest on his laurels. For many of you, you know him as the co-organizer of #derbycon, as well as a board member of #ISC2.  We ask him about initiatives going on with ISC2, and how you (whether or not you're a ISC2 cert holder). You can help with various committees and helping to improve the certification landscape. We talk about how to get involved. We finish up asking about the latest updates to DerbyCon, as well as the dates of tickets, and we talk about our CTF for a free ticket to DerbyCon.   Direct Link: http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-009-dave_kennedy_vault7_isc2_derbycon_update.mp3 Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqXGGg7-BlM iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/2017-009-dave-kennedy-talks-abotu-cias-vault7-isc2/id799131292?i=1000382638971&mt=2   #Bsides #London is accepting Call for Papers (#CFP) starting 14 Febuary 2017, as well as a Call for Workshops. Tickets are sold out currently, but will be other chances for tickets. Follow @bsidesLondon for more information. You can find out more information at https://www.securitybsides.org.uk/    CFP closes 27 march 2017 ------ HITB announcement: “Tickets are on sale, And entering special code 'brakeingsecurity' at checkout gets you a 10% discount". Brakeing Down Security thanks #Sebastian Paul #Avarvarei and all the organizers of #Hack In The Box (#HITB) for this opportunity! You can follow them on Twitter @HITBSecConf. Hack In the Box will be held from 10-14 April 2017. Find out more information here: http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2017ams/ --------- Join our #Slack Channel! Sign up at https://brakesec.signup.team #RSS: http://www.brakeingsecurity.com/rss #Google Play Store: https://play.google.com/music/m/Ifp5boyverbo4yywxnbydtzljcy?t=Brakeing_Down_Security_podcast iHeartRadio App:  https://www.iheart.com/show/263-Brakeing-Down-Securi/ SoundCloud: https://www.soundcloud.com/bryan-brake Comments, Questions, Feedback: bds.podcast@gmail.com Support Brakeing Down Security Podcast on #Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/bds_podcast #Twitter: @brakesec @boettcherpwned @bryanbrake #Player.FM : https://player.fm/series/brakeing-down-security-podcast #Stitcher Network: http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=80546&refid=stpr #TuneIn Radio App: http://tunein.com/radio/Brakeing-Down-Security-Podcast-p801582/     --show notes-- http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-10758578   WL: “CIA ‘hoarded’ vulnerabilities or ‘cyber-weapons’     Should they not have tools that allow them to infiltrate systems of ‘bad’ people?     Promises to share information with manufacturers         BrBr- Manufacturers and devs are the reason the CIA has ‘cyber-weapons’             Shit code, poor software design/architecture             Security wonks aren’t without blame here either   http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39218393  -RAND report         Report suggested stockpiling is ‘good’             “On the other hand, publicly disclosing a vulnerability that isn't known by one's adversaries gives them the upper hand, because the adversary could then protect against any attack using that vulnerability, while still keeping an inventory of vulnerabilities of which only it is aware of in reserve.”   Encryption does still work, in many cases… as it appears they are having to intercept the data before it makes it into secure messaging systems…   http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/cia-wikileaks-dump-tells-us-encryption-works-46045668   (somewhat relevant? Not sure if you want to touch on https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/837846963471122432/photo/1)   Wikileaks - more harm than good?     Guess that depends on what side you’re on     What side is Assange on? (his own side?)     Media creates FUD because they don’t understand         Secure messaging apps busted (fud inferred by WL)             In fact, data is circumvented before encryption is applied. Some of the docs make you wonder about the need for ‘over-classification’ Vulnerabilities uncovered   Samsung Smart TVs “Fake-Off” Tools to exfil data off of iDevices     BrBr- Cellbrite has sold that for years to the FBI         CIA appears to only have up to iOS 9 (according to docs released) Car hacking tech Sandbox detection (notices mouse clicks or the lack of them)     Reported by eEye: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_2621847.html Technique: Process Hollowing: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_3375167.html     Not new: https://attack.mitre.org/wiki/Technique/T1093 **anything Mr. Kennedy feels is important to mention**   What can blue teamers do to protect themselves?     Take an accounting of ‘smart devices’ in your workplace         Educate users on not bringing smart devices to work             And at home (if they are remote)                 Alexa,         Restrict smart devices in sensitive areas             SCIFs, conference rooms, even in ‘open workplace’ areas                 Segment possibly affected systems from the internet     Keep proper inventories of software used in your environment     Modify IR exercises to allow for this type of scenario?     Reduce ‘smart’ devices         Grab that drill and modify the TV in the conference room         Cover the cameras on TV             Is that too paranoid?         Don’t setup networking on smart devices or use cloud services on ‘smart’ devices     Remind devs that unpatched or crap code can become the next ‘cyber-weapon’ ;)