

Turning Towards Life - a Thirdspace podcast
Thirdspace
Join Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise from Thirdspace for weekly conversations that ask how we might bring ourselves to life with as much courage and wisdom as we can. We start each episode with inspiring sources and then dive deep together into the questions and possibilities they open up. Find us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, YouTube and FaceBook, at www.turningtowards.life and at www.wearethirdspace.org
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Mar 31, 2019 • 39min
13: How to Know When You’re Wounded
Here’s episode 13 of Turning Towards Life, a weekly live 30 minute conversation hosted by Thirdspace in which Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn dive deep into big questions of human living. You can find all our sources and more information at turningtowards.life
In this episode, Lizzie and Justin talk about 'How to Know When You're Wounded', a piece written by Lizzie about how our inevitable hurts can have us turn away from life, in an attempt to manage our own experience, or can be - as the poet Rumi puts it - 'the place where the light comes through'. When we're able to identify how we hurt we're much more likely to be able to bring ourselves to the world with presence, courage and wisdom. We talk about all these topics and more.
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Mar 31, 2019 • 33min
15: Turning Our Lives into a Celebration
Here’s episode 15 of Turning Towards Life, a weekly live 30 minute conversation hosted by Thirdspace in which Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn dive deep into big questions of human living. You can find all our sources and more information at turningtowards.life
This week Justin & Lizzie began with the poem “Sunflowers’ by Mary Oliver. Among other topics we talk about the long and necessary work of turning our lives into a celebration and of undoing our sense of aloneness, if we’re going to find a way to contribute what’s ours to contribute.
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Mar 31, 2019 • 40min
9: For the Sake of Heaven
Here’s episode 9 of Turning Towards Life, a weekly live 30 minute conversation hosted by Thirdspace in which Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn dive deep into big questions of human living. You can find all our sources and more information at turningtowards.life
This week we begin with Jennifer Wellwood’s poem “Unconditional“. We talk together about how difficult it can be to really accept our experience, how easy to run from it, and the consequences. Along the way we consider why it is that human beings so often prefer to be right than to stay in relationship, and how that’s related to our wish to defend ourselves. And we introduce the idea of an argument ‘for the sake of heaven’… which is when we disagree in a way that keeps a bigger context in view and allows us to let go of our own rigid positions.
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Mar 31, 2019 • 36min
2: The Longing for Realness
Turning Towards Life is a project of ThirdSpace, presented weekly by Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn. Each conversation is presented live on FaceBook on a Sunday morning.
This week we take up a conversation about realness and the openness to others that it requires, and what it is to allow ourselves the vulnerability that realness inevitably entails.
You can find all the sources and details of our FaceBook group at turningtowards.life
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Mar 31, 2019 • 37min
8: The Wild Edge of Sorrow
Here’s episode 8 of Turning Towards Life, a weekly live 30 minute conversation hosted by Thirdspace in which Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn dive deep into big questions of human living. You can find all our sources and more information at turningtowards.life
This week the source for our conversation was Francis Weller’s book “The Wild Edge of Sorrow”. We begin with two poems – Denise Levertov’s “To Speak of Sorrow” and Robert Bly’s “What is Sorrow For?”. We talk about the connection between feeling our sorrow, shared rituals and spaces for grieving, and aliveness. Along the way we touch on how restraining sorrow keeps the myth that we are separate going, and how our collective numbing to the losses of our own lives and the world is a way we keep perpetuating the more destructive aspects of our current culture. We end with the hopeful thought that finding ways to grieve together is a way to help us turn more fully and courageously towards life and all that is called for from us.
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Mar 31, 2019 • 41min
6: I Am an Emotional Creature
Here’s episode 6 of Turning Towards Life, a weekly live 30 minute conversation hosted by Thirdspace in which Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn dive deep into big questions of human living. You can find all our sources and more information at turningtowards.life
In this episode we talk about being male and female, how society pushes us towards gendered roles and orientations to the world, and what gets left out when we gravitate to either one of the poles of emotion or intellect without the other. Our source is Eve Ensler’s poem ‘I am an Emotional Creature’.
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Mar 31, 2019 • 36min
3: The Hidden Cost of Hiding
Here's ‘The Hidden Cost of Hiding', Episode 3 of Turning Towards Life, a weekly live 30 minute conversation hosted by thirdspace coaching in which Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn dive deep into big questions of human living. You can join in the growing online community around this work here: http://turningtowards.life
This week we take up the topic of hiding – and in particular ways in which our working lives can be an opportunity for us to hold back from the world and keep ourselves safe, or they can be a place in which we can step forward and bring ourselves with all the vulnerability, risk and possibility that entails.
The source text for our talk, which you can read before watching, is here.
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Mar 31, 2019 • 35min
7: Personal Guidelines for the Great Turning
Here’s episode 7 of Turning Towards Life, a weekly live 30 minute conversation hosted by Thirdspace in which Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn dive deep into big questions of human living. You can find all our sources and more information at turningtowards.life
The source for this week’s conversation was Joanna Macy’s “Personal Guidelines for the Great Turning”. We talk about what can support us in responding courageously and truthfully in the midst of the enormous changes – political, social, environmental – which may only just be beginning and which could change everything. Along the way we touch on the life-giving necessity of beauty, how to know ourselves in a way that can give us the courage we need to step forward, and how important it is to realise that none of us is alone.
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Mar 31, 2019 • 35min
4: Fuel for Your Fire
Here’s episode 4 of Turning Towards Life, a weekly live 30 minute conversation hosted by Thirdspace in which Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn dive deep into big questions of human living. You can find all our sources and more information at turningtowards.life
This week the source for our conversation is John Neméth’s song ‘Fuel for Your Fire’. We talk about how the inevitable difficulties of life can be drawn upon to support our courage, action and contribution – how difficulties can be part of the path.
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Mar 31, 2019 • 32min
5: Wild Geese by Mary Oliver
In this enlightening discussion, the power of Mary Oliver’s poem 'Wild Geese' shines through. The hosts explore how inner criticism hampers authenticity and emotional expression. They share personal stories that highlight the liberation found in rejecting societal pressures. The importance of community support in navigating personal challenges is emphasized, revealing the strength found in connection. Listeners are encouraged to overcome self-imposed limitations and embrace their true selves while fostering deeper bonds with others.