

Doing Music
Ableton
Doing Music is a podcast that explores the techniques and strategies behind musical ideas. In each episode, Craig Schuftan looks into the myth of spontaneous creation and talks to artists about their hands-on approaches for sparking something new. Doing Music is for anyone interested in the act of making music – because often the most exciting results happen when we stop musing and start doing.
This podcast is brought to you by Ableton and hosted by Craig Schuftan. Craig is a music producer and the author of three books on music and popular culture.
This podcast is brought to you by Ableton and hosted by Craig Schuftan. Craig is a music producer and the author of three books on music and popular culture.
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Dec 12, 2024 • 1h 14min
Poetic production with Ebonie Smith
In the studio, where do the technical tasks end and the creative work begin? In this episode of Doing Music, Ebonie Smith talks to Craig Schuftan about her work as an engineer and producer for Atlantic Records. Ebonie's varied career covers a lot of ground, and she describes the influence she draws from cinema soundtracks and celebrates the ingenuity of contemporary hip-hop and trap producers. From the unique challenges of working with spoken word performers to amplifying the voices of Black women, poets and political figures, Ebonie offers unique insight into the top tier of major label production and the artistry you can bring to the most technical jobs.
Explore further:
Danny Elfman - The Nightmare Before Christmas OST
101 Dalmatians OST
Alice Randall
Phillis Wheatley - On Imagination
Kris Bowers - Bridgerton OST
Kesha Lee & Lil Uzi Vert
Recording Unhinged Book About Unconventional Techniques By Sylvia Massy And Chris Johnson
Keep up with Ebonie Smith on Instagram, on YouTube and via her website.
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Nov 27, 2024 • 57min
Technical Tools for Creative Results with Chuck Sutton
Chuck Sutton, a producer and educator known for his engaging teaching style and innovative electronic music, chats with Craig Schuftan about turning technical challenges into artistic opportunities. They discuss transforming a microphone into a MIDI controller for realistic percussion. Chuck shares insights on navigating creativity within limitations and the effects of technology on collaboration. The pair also explore sound design through word association and how analogies to everyday life can demystify complex concepts in music production.

Nov 14, 2024 • 1h 5min
Escaping The Concert Hall With Emily Hopkins
How hard is it to break the cultural coding around an instrument and realize its true potential? In this episode of Doing Music, Emily Hopkins talks to Craig Schuftan about her life-long relationship with the harp and her exploration of the instrument's experimental possibilities. Joined by her partner and sound engineer Russ, Emily details the various electro-acoustic methods she uses, the deep well of sound that comes from running her harps through pedals and her desire to inspire with her successful YouTube channel. As a classically-trained player now scoring high-profile soundtracks on her own terms, Emily's story is a relatable quest to maintain her own identity with an instrument everyone thinks they know.
Explore further:
Edmar Castaneda
The Emotron - Life Without Horses
Wah Pedal on Harp is Ridiculous
Addi & Jacq
Zeena Parkins
Keep up with Emily Hopkins on YouTube, Instagram and via her website.
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Oct 31, 2024 • 1h
Reveling in absurdity with MGMT
Andrew VanWyngarden and Ben Goldwasser of MGMT dive into their 20-year journey, celebrating the absurdity that fuels their creativity. They share their early experiences in dorm rooms, where makeshift gear sparked innovative sounds. Their latest album, 'Loss of Life,' reflects on personal growth, parenthood, and the balance between humor and deeper meanings in songwriting. With a love for the strange and a knack for playful experimentation, they reveal how embracing the weird has shaped their iconic psychedelic pop-rock identity.

Oct 17, 2024 • 1h 12min
Making sonic collages with L'Rain
When does self-doubt overtake the creative process? On this episode of Doing Music, L'Rain's Taja Cheek tells Craig Schuftan and co-host Christa Belle about the doubt she faces down when committing her musical ideas to a recording, especially when she’s working with others. A New York-based multi-instrumentalist with a mercurial twist on electronic soul, Cheek tells us about the various stages of her music making, from quick-fire voice notes and being alone in busy places to her love of lo-fi sound. It's a fascinating insight into the inner workings of a musician who prizes the patient art of the album to convey her ideas more deeply.
Explore further:
National Sawdust Artists in Residence Program
Terry Riley - Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band
Everybody Shut Up by DJ Pacman
Keep up with L’Rain on Instagram and via her website — and check out her music on Bandcamp.
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Oct 2, 2024 • 56min
Crossover sweet spots with Malibu Babie
When you flip a sample for a Hot 100 hit, are you trading on nostalgia or breaking an iconic sound to the next generation? In this episode of Doing Music, Malibu Babie tells Craig Schuftan how she approached the big samples that turned into big hits for artists like Nicki Minaj and Megan Thee Stallion. As a producer toying with the space between pop, rap and club music, she explains the exciting results that come from crossing over styles and shopping them out to unlikely artists, and the ways she'll try to get a collaborator in the right headspace before getting into the beats.
Explore further:
I’ll Never Write My Memoirs by Grace Jones and Paul Morley
Elizabeth Gilbert - Big Magic and her Ted Talk
Lil Jon feat. E-40 and Sean Paul - Snap Yo Fingers
WhoSampled: Missy Elliott feat. Ciara and Fatman Scoop - Lose Control
Keep up with Malibu Babie on Instagram, TikTok and Twitter.
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Sep 19, 2024 • 48min
Re-sample yourself with Lukid
For Lukid, bouncing out unfinished sketches is an essential part of the music-making process. In this episode of Doing Music, host Craig Shuftan finds out how Luke Blair drew on a well-stocked archive of ideas to revive a past project after a 10-year hiatus. Along with his untrained melodic process and many-sided approach to sampling, Blair opens up about the existential dread that pushed him towards finishing new music, the art of forgetting and the strange allure of working within constraints.
Explore further:
Philip Guston - Paint What I Want to See
The KLF - The Manual
Keep up with Lukid on Twitter, Instagram and Bandcamp — and check out his latest album TILT.
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Sep 5, 2024 • 1h 28min
Teaching Blacktronika with King Britt
How do you go about teaching a history of electronic music which fairly credits Black innovators? In this episode of Doing Music, King Britt talks to Craig Schuftan and Christa Belle about his groundbreaking Blacktronika course at University of California San Diego. In the process of educating students about seminal music movements pioneered by Black communities—from funk and disco through Chicago house and Detroit techno on to drum & bass and beyond—the acclaimed US producer reveals the positive impact being an educator and instigator has had on his own music making. Learn about the importance of nurturing community and hear illuminating stories from a lifelong devotee to the culture.
Explore further:
Blacktronika on Instagram
Lynnée Denise
Juan Atkins
Alvin Toffler - Future Shock
Kodwo Eshun - More Brilliant than The Sun
DeForrest Brown Jr. - Assembling A Black Counter Culture
Bob Gluck - You’ll Know When You Get There: Herbie Hancock and the Mwandishi Band
Keep up with King Britt on Instagram, Twitter and via his website.
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Aug 22, 2024 • 50min
Realizing Fantasy with Zora Jones
If you could design the perfect clubbing experience, what would you put in it? Zora Jones explores that idea in her audio-visual world-building projects, where the technological wonder of the virtual collides with the human connectivity of community. In this episode of Doing Music, Zora tells Craig Schuftan about how she toys with fantasy and reality in her modernist bass-heavy productions. As an ever-evolving artist, she delves into her development as a singer and songwriter, her appreciation for devoted fandom and the enduring influence of golden-era MTV.
Explore further:
Gorge Music
Recording Unhinged Book About Unconventional Techniques By Sylvia Massy And Chris Johnson
The Lives of the Surrealists by Desmond Morris
Eroge Video Games
Busta Rymes ft. Janet Jackson - What’s It Gonna Be?!
Keep up with Zora Jones on Instagram, Bandcamp and via her label Fractal Fantasy.
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Aug 8, 2024 • 1h 18min
Learning Music with Dennis DeSantis
How do you design music education that’s engaging for beginners and experienced users? That’s the challenge Dennis DeSantis faces as head of Ableton’s Learning Team. In this conversation with Craig Schuftan, Dennis talks about the importance of play and interactivity in learning and making music, as well as the value of simplifying complex concepts for beginners. Along the way we hear about his own musical journey, the power of diverse influences and debates around pitch and tuning systems.
Explore further:
Learning Music
Learning Synths
Making Music: 74 Strategies for Electronic Producers by Dennis DeSantis
Première Poème Symphonique, György Ligeti 1963
Patrice Rushen - Forget Me Nots (Official Video)
Our Band Could Be Your Life by Michael Azzerad
Keep up with Dennis DeSantis on Instagram, YouTube and via his website.
Tell us what you think of this episode: doingmusic@ableton.com
Doing Music is brought to you by Ableton. Follow us on TikTok and Instagram.