

Divorced People
Nicole M. Quallen & Natalie M. Christley
Divorced People is a podcast about divorce, marriage, and relationships. Our host, Nicole Quallen, a divorced person and collaborative divorce lawyer, speaks with story-tellers who have been through the difficult, beautiful, complicated, super-stigmatized institution and are brave and ready enough to share their experience with us all.This project is made possible by our gorgeous Patreon patrons. Please join us!! https://www.patreon.com/divorcedpeople
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Jan 13, 2026 • 37min
Nik + Nat Chat About Oona Metz
Nicole + Natalie chat about the first episode of Season 3 with Oona Metz. They discuss her support groups, the thoughts on statistics for women in divorce, breaking the stigma around divorce or being twice divorced, and so much more!

Jan 13, 2026 • 1h 15min
Season 3, Episode 1: Oona Metz- Supporting the Unhitched
Welcome to Season 3 of Divorced People Podcast!
We are starting our season off with Oona Metz, therapist, author, & twice divorced person. Oona is releasing a new book, Unhitched: The Essential Divorce Guide for Women, comes out TODAY and we are thrilled to be able to be a small part of her journey in sharing this book with the world. Oona discusses the world of divorce specifically to women and what she's learned through her many clients and therapy sessions. She has also hosted support groups for women in divorce for 15 years and has helped countless women as they process their divorce journey.
This episode is a little different then our usual episodes as she only briefly discusses her own divorce, but she gives us the unique and insightful view from a couple's therapy perspective and what divorce and healing looks like from that angle. We can't wait for you to hear this episode and hope you continue your unwavering support into this new season!
Check out Oona's new book, released today, January 13, and support another badass, twice divorced, female empowerment QUEEN! Preorder your copy here: https://www.oonametz.com/book-unhitched

Jan 9, 2026 • 52min
Nik + Nat Chat About Heather Anne
Nik + Nat Chat about the Heather Anne Interview and their thoughts on how Heather processed her divorce, healed, and the things she learned about herself during this transformation. Heather used her art to heal and physically process her divorce. She is a fierce warrior in breaking the stigma of divorce and that lesson that so many women learn as little girls, to just stay quiet and put up with conflict in their marriage. She was truly inspirational in how she handled her divorce, especially being that she did not make the choice to divorce, it was made for her, through an email. Listen along and chat with us in the comments and on social media and tell us what you thought too!

Jan 8, 2026 • 1h 17min
Season 2, Episode 8: Heather Anne- Truth Telling as Divorce Alchemy
This is our final episode of season 2! It's been truly magical and special for us to produce this season, interview our guests who have been so open and willing to share a glimpse into their story, and connect with our listeners and hear how much each episode means to them.
Heather Anne's episode is a perfect way to end the season. She is an artist who shows us healing and strength in her unique and powerful way. Her story breaks the stigma surrounding how women are expected to behave and to survive marriage, instead of thrive in it. She lets us in to her ritual of healing that she did to process the end of her marriage, which is something you definitely want to hear. We would love to hear if you had any rituals to help you in your healing!

Sep 20, 2025 • 42min
Nik + Nat Chat About the Kelly Sundberg Interview
If you enjoyed the Kelly Sundberg interview, take a listen to our debrief episode where Nicole and I discuss our favorite and most meaningful parts of her story. I read her Goodbye, Sweet Girl memoir and Nicole read her latest book that just came out a couple weeks ago, The Answer is in the Wound. We discuss both books and what stood out to us the most in each story. Her story is truly a story of healing and inspiration and we hope you all feel that too when you listen!
Trigger Warning for all listeners, Kelly's story is one of Domestic Violence. She does discuss what that looked like for her and what ultimately happened for her to leave.
I know this will be one of our top favorite episodes for both of us forever.

Sep 19, 2025 • 1h 17min
Season 2, Episode 7: Kelly Sundberg- What Healing Feels Like Years Later
This episode is so important, we couldn't wait a month to post it. Kelly Sundberg is an author and survivor of Domestic Abuse. Her memoir, Goodbye, Sweet Girl, broke our hearts and her newest book, The Answer is in the Wound, sewed it back together.
Kelly is such a powerful writer and survivor. She tells her story of her marriage and divorce and doesn't hold back. We strongly suggest reading BOTH of her books. Her first one takes you on a journey of meeting her now ex-husband, dating, pregnancy, marriage, and ultimately ending with physical abuse and divorce. Her second book takes you on a journey of healing after divorce through various essays about how she healed and what that looked like for her. Kelly has been divorced for 12 years and is now remarried to a loving and caring man. She gets honest about the mental struggles she has from years of abuse that sticks with her even in her current marriage that's filled with love, and how she handles that.
Her story truly touched us and this interview will go down as one of the best interviews for our podcast. We recorded this episode before the release of her second book, but it is officially out now and we hope you all feel the love and strength in her story like we did.
Look for our Nik + Nat Chat episode where we discuss this interview and take a deep dive into what we thought and what we read in her books.

Sep 5, 2025 • 51min
Nik & Nat Chat About the Laura Richards Interview
Nik & Nat Chat about our latest episode, Laura Richards: Surviving & Thriving After Narcissistic Abuse. Make sure you listen to her interview first then come back here to take a deep dive into the episode and the lessons we learned!

Sep 4, 2025 • 1h 45min
Season 2, Episode 6: Laura Richards- Surviving & Thriving After Narcissistic Abuse
Narcissism. A buzz word that swarms social media and is the topic of many funny reels, but in reality, it's a form of abuse that so many people live with. Whether it's your partner, your parent, or another family member or loved one, it's very real and very painful.
In this episode, Nicole interviews Laura Richards. She is the host of That's Where I'm At Podcast, author of Married to a Nice Guy: Getting Over Narcissistic Abuse and There is Hope: 52 Keys to Healing After Divorce, and Narcissistic Abuse Recovery Expert. Laura has this incredible power inside of her. She speaks out against the abuse she faced for 33 years in marriage without hesitation and with strength and courage. We were in awe of her. She tells us that when she started her podcast her abuser reached out and said I hear you're talking about me all over the internet and telling people I'm a narcissist and she had one single word in response, "yup." chills.
Nicole and I wish for that kind of strength and empowerment on every survivor we meet. This episode is so important for so many to hear. I've been telling so many people, just wait for this episode, it'll really speak to you! I've been counting down the days to post it so you all can hear this story of strength and healing and be inspired right along with us!
If you've been a victim of narcissistic abuse, in any form, in your life, we hope this episode brings you peace and starts you on a journey of healing! Follow Laura Richards on social media and listen to her podcast. I hope for her courage to be passed on to you as you begin healing and thriving!

Aug 27, 2025 • 1h 12min
Bonus Episode: Nik & Nat Chat About Collaborative Divorce
What is Collaborative Divorce and how is it different from Litigation?
Nik & Nat spent some time chatting the other day about what Collaborative Law is and what it is they do all day at Two Families Law with their clients! Collaborative is a great option for people who want to have a more peaceful divorce, focus on their kids well-being, save money, and many other things.

Aug 5, 2025 • 1h 55min
Season 2, Episode 5: Anna Howerton- Prince Charming is Great, but Not Always Your Forever
Not all divorce comes from a big trauma. Sometimes divorce comes from one or both spouses saying, “hey, I’m not happy/satisfied/fulfilled, and I want a divorce.” Anna’s story is just that. She thought her spouse was great and a good person, but their marriage didn’t fulfill her needs. They were two different people with different goals and love languages, and she needed to feel prioritized and loved.
She grew up as a Minister’s kid with a strong Christian value system that drove her in making all her decisions as a young adult and ultimately getting married. She, like many of us, was sucked into that Happily Ever After, perfect rom-com love story, life. She wanted that Princess Di wedding and was in a rush to find it all, all while meeting her Christian values of staying pure until marriage.
She quickly learned that the Happily Ever After doesn’t comes from rushing down the aisle or staying pure. Like we hear so many times from our clients and friends, she told her spouse she wasn’t happy. She gave the warning signs. She asked for more, but he couldn’t give it. She stayed true to herself and instead of sticking in a marriage that didn’t fulfill her needs, she put herself first and decided to look for someone who can be everything she needs. Spoiler alert, she found it after her divorce!
Anna took her story and turned it into a thriving business as a Relationship Coach. She’s your bestie that you need to text to say “ugh, my spouse is angering me, and I want to tell him off” and then she talks you through whether that’s the best decision. She helps both individuals and couples from trying to save the marriage or rebuild after divorce.
Divorced People Podcast is a podcast for all humans in a relationship, yes especially for Divorced People, but also for all people in a marriage or committed relationship. This episode is a great episode to listen to for anyone in any kind of relationship. It discusses the warning signs that one person sends out and how important it is to listen to those signs. We hear it all the time at work, one party says I’ve been saying this for years and the other party is shocked and hasn’t HEARD what the they were being told for years.


