

Lean Blog Interviews: Real-World Lean Leadership Conversations in Healthcare and Beyond
Mark Graban
Lean Blog Interviews: Real-World Lean Leadership Conversations features thoughtful, in-depth discussions with leaders, authors, executives, and practitioners who are applying Lean thinking in the real world.
Hosted by Mark Graban—author of Lean Hospitals, Measures of Success, and The Mistakes That Make Us—the podcast explores Lean as a management system, a leadership philosophy, and a people-centered approach to continuous improvement.
Episodes span healthcare, manufacturing, startups, technology, and professional services. Guests share candid stories about what actually works—and what doesn’t—when organizations try to improve.
This is not a podcast about chasing tools, jargon, or “Lean theater.” Instead, you’ll hear honest conversations about leadership behaviors, culture, psychological safety, learning from mistakes, and building systems that help people do their best work.
If you believe improvement starts with respect for people—and that better systems beat blaming individuals—this podcast is for you.
Find show notes and all episodes at LeanCast.org.Learn more about Mark Graban at MarkGraban.com.
Hosted by Mark Graban—author of Lean Hospitals, Measures of Success, and The Mistakes That Make Us—the podcast explores Lean as a management system, a leadership philosophy, and a people-centered approach to continuous improvement.
Episodes span healthcare, manufacturing, startups, technology, and professional services. Guests share candid stories about what actually works—and what doesn’t—when organizations try to improve.
This is not a podcast about chasing tools, jargon, or “Lean theater.” Instead, you’ll hear honest conversations about leadership behaviors, culture, psychological safety, learning from mistakes, and building systems that help people do their best work.
If you believe improvement starts with respect for people—and that better systems beat blaming individuals—this podcast is for you.
Find show notes and all episodes at LeanCast.org.Learn more about Mark Graban at MarkGraban.com.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Jul 28, 2011 • 17min
Mike George on Lean Six Sigma for Government & Politicians (‘Strong America Now’)
My guest for Podcast #125 is Mike George, the founder of Strong America Now, a “nonprofit organization dedicated to mobilizing and educating citizens to support only those Presidential candidates who commit to eliminating the deficit with no new taxes.”
In this episode, George talks about his efforts to get candidates to commit to getting personally educated in Lean Six Sigma methods and to use these methods in their administration if elected. You can also read my previous blog post about his initiative.
Michael L. George is best known as the founder of The George Group, a consulting firm that was acquired by Accenture in 2007. As the author of books including Lean Six Sigma for Service: How to Use Lean Speed and Six Sigma Quality to Improve Services and Transactions, George is often listed as being the “creator” of Lean Six Sigma, which I know is somewhat controversial to some in the Lean community.
That said, I appreciate that Mr. George is working to create awareness amongst our elected officials that we can indeed eliminate waste in government by providing higher quality services at a lower cost by using process and quality improvement methods like Lean and Six Sigma. As in any industry, we can do better through “reducing waste” instead of just slashing costs.
For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/125.
For earlier episodes, visit the main Podcast page, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple Podcasts.

Jul 21, 2011 • 28min
Former CEO Paul O’Neill on Safety for Workers and Patients, Lessons from Alcoa and Beyond*
U.S. Treasury Secretary from 2000 to 2001 and former CEO of Alcoa.
Show Notes: https://www.leanblog.org/124
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I have a very special guest for Podcast #124 – he is Paul O'Neill, the U.S. Treasury Secretary from 2001 to 2002 and former CEO of Alcoa.
2020 Update: Read my reflections on Mr. O'Neill's passing
Mr. O'Neill shares his thoughts on patient safety and healthcare, including his time spent as the Chair of the Pittsburgh Regional Health Initiative and his work with Dr. Richard Shannon in dramatically reducing hospital-acquired infections to near their “theoretical limit” of zero. Dr. Shannon will be a podcast guest next month. Mr. O'Neill talks about the leadership required to have such an impact on safety and quality, drawing on lessons from his years as Alcoa's CEO.
This podcast was produced in conjunction with the Healthcare Value Network as a continuation of their previous podcast series.
For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/124. Scroll down for quotes in readable form.
Quotes and Excerpts:
In summary, O'Neill talks about:
Leadership mindsets required for dramatic workplace safety and patient safety improvement, including a near 100% reduction in hospital-acquired infections at Pittsburgh's Allegheny General Hospital
Why the United States has accomplished “practically nothing” nationally since the famed 1999 Institute of Medicine report “To Err Is Human”
Why society's most lacking skill is “leadership”
Alternative ways of compensating patients who are harmed by the healthcare system while ensuring real improvements are made by learning from each problem
Why Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) needs to shift his focus from “financial engineering” to visiting ThedaCare to learn about “the real way” we should improve health care.

Jul 14, 2011 • 24min
Group Health Leaders on Lean & Medical Home - Dr. Claire Trascott and Alicia Eng
This episode is a discussion with two leaders from Group Health Cooperative, a consumer-governed, nonprofit health care system based in Seattle, Washington. My guests are Claire Trescott, MD, Primary Care Medical Director, and Alicia Eng, Vice President of Primary Care. We will be talking about their use of Lean principles in the design and management of their “Medical Home” approach to primary care and wellness. You can read a PDF of a Health Affairs article that describes the benefits to patients and caregivers.
This podcast was produced in conjunction with the Healthcare Value Network as a continuation of their previous podcast series.
For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/123. For a 2007 interview with Group Health leaders, visit www.leanblog.org/23.
About Medical Home (from Group Health):
The Group Health Research Institute conducted a two-year study of the Factoria Medical Home Pilot. Results of that study were published in the May 2010 issue of the journal Health Affairs.
The study compared the medical home prototype at Factoria to care at Group Health's other medical centers, and found that:
The quality of care was higher at Factoria; patients reported better experiences and clinicians said they felt less “burned out.”
Patients had 29 percent fewer visits to the emergency room and 6 percent fewer hospitalizations, resulting in a net savings of $10 per patient per month.
Patients with chronic conditions managed them more successfully, and followed medical orders better with the aid of everyone on the medical home team.
For every dollar Group Health invested, mostly to boost staffing, it recouped $1.50.
For earlier episodes, visit the main Podcast page, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple Podcasts.

Jul 4, 2011 • 23min
Paul Akers, CEO of FastCap on the LeanAmerica.org Initiative
This episode is a conversation with Paul Akers, founder and president of FastCap LLC, based in Bellingham, WA. FastCap is an international product development company founded in 1997 with over 2000 distributors worldwide.
Paul and FastCap have also embraced Lean, with an unmatched enthusiasm for kaizen – small, daily improvements made by people in the workplace, as you can see in their collection of Lean videos. We're also talking in this episode about his LeanAmerica.org initiative.
For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/122.
For earlier episodes, visit the main Podcast page, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple Podcasts.

Jun 27, 2011 • 20min
Dr. Mrinalini Gadkari on the Ohio State Healthcare MBOE Program - Lean, Six Sigma, and More
Today's episode is a discussion with Mrinalini Gadkari, a Senior Lecturer at the Fisher College of Business. Today, we're talking about the new Master of Business Operational Excellence (MBOE) for Healthcare Program starting this fall. We'll talk about how the program is structured, who the intended students are, and delve a little into the curriculum that includes Lean, Six Sigma, and other improvement methodologies.
Mrinalini Gadkari is a physician trained in India. She practiced in India for three years as a family physician. She came to the US 9 years ago to pursue her passion in Process Improvement in Healthcare.
Mrinalini received MHSA (Masters in Healthcare Services Administration) from George Washington University. She worked as an administrative resident at the John's Hopkin's Bayview Medical Center focusing on Quality and Process Improvement. She worked at the Dana Farber Cancer Institute and Brigham and Women's Hospital over five years and helped multidisciplinary teams apply lean principles to improve efficiency and safety of their clinical and business processes.
For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/121.
For earlier episodes, visit the main Podcast page, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple Podcasts.

Jun 21, 2011 • 39min
Dr,. Jody Crane & Chuck Noon on Lean Healthcare in Emergency Departments
Today's episode is a chat with Jody Crane, MD, MBA and Chuck Noon, PhD. They are talking about their outstanding book The Definitive Guide to Emergency Department Operational Improvement: Employing Lean Principles with Current ED Best Practices to Create the “No Wait” Department.
Dr. Crane is an Emergency Physician practicing at Mary Washington Hospital in Fredericksburg, Virginia. From 2002 to 2009, he served as the Business Director of his group, Fredericksburg Emergency Medical Alliance. He currently serves as a faculty member in the Institute for Healthcare Improvement and is also faculty at the University of Tennessee's College of Business.
Dr. Noon is a Professor of the Management Science Program in the Department of Management. He joined the faculty in the fall of 1987 after completing his Ph.D. in Industrial & Operations Engineering from the University of Michigan. He is also a founding member of the UT Physician Executive MBA Program.
For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/120.
For earlier episodes, visit the main Podcast page, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple Podcasts.

May 31, 2011 • 15min
ThedaCare CEO Dr. Dean Gruner Discusses Strategy Deployment and Their Lean Management System
Produced in partnership with the Healthcare Value Network, episode #119 is a discussion with Dean Gruner, MD, the president & CEO of ThedaCare. Here, we talk about Strategy Deployment as a Lean management system and how it fits into their ongoing management and improvement efforts in their health system.
To learn more about strategy deployment, visit YouTube for a free preview clip of a new educational DVD produced by the ThedaCare Center for Healthcare Value. You will also find a link to a free white paper about strategy deployment at ThedaCare, Group Health, and St. Boniface General Hospital.
For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/119.
For earlier episodes, visit the main Podcast page, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple Podcasts.

May 10, 2011 • 29min
Jim Womack on GM, Toyota & Lean Six Sigma *
Show notes: https://www.leanblog.org/118
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Episode #118 is a follow up to podcast #116 with Jim Womack, founder and former Chairman of the Lean Enterprise Institute, now their Senior Advisor and author of the new book Gemba Walks, available in paperback, Kindle format, iBooks, and other formats.
In this episode, we talk about both GM and Toyota – their challenges, Jim's reflections on the companies, and thoughts about where they are headed in the future. Jim also answers reader questions about the word “lean” itself and the combination of the Lean and Six Sigma methodologies.

Apr 5, 2011 • 31min
Prof. Samuel A. Culbert on Getting Rid of the Performance Review
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Episode #117 is a conversation with Prof. Samuel A. Culbert of the UCLA Anderson School of Management.
Along with Daniel Pink, he is a fellow alum of Northwestern University. Prof. Culbert has a BS in Systems Engineering, the precursor of the Industrial Engineering department in which I was a student. Dr. Culbert then earned a PhD in clinical psychology from UCLA.
Today, we are talking about his most recent book, Get Rid of the Performance Review!: How Companies Can Stop Intimidating, Start Managing–and Focus on What Really Matters.
Much like Dan Pink's take on incentives in the workplace, Culbert is a contrarian about the generally accepted (yet dysfunctional) practice of the “annual performance review.” In his writing, Culbert calls them “corporate theatre,” as well as a “sham,” a “facade,” “immoral,” and “intimidating.” In the podcast, we talk about the problems and alternatives to this common management practice.
For a link to episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/117.
Recent articles by Prof. Culbert via my blog posts:
Professor Channels Dr. Deming and Writes “Get Rid of the Annual Review”
New Book Gives Negative Review to Performance Reviews
Prof. Culbert mentioned that he only discovered the work of Dr. W. Edwards Deming a few years back, although they were both railing against the annual performance review in 1980. They must be “long lost cousins,” Culbert says, and I would agree.

Mar 23, 2011 • 25min
Jim Womack, Interview About His New Lean Book ’Gemba Walks’ *
Show notes: https://www.leanblog.org/116
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Episode #116 brings us Jim Womack, founder and former Chairman of the Lean Enterprise Institute, now their Senior Advisor and author of the new book "Gemba Walks," available in paperback, Kindle format, iBooks, and other formats (see lean.org for a link). Here, we talk about the new book, how a gemba walk differs from "management by walking around," some of his most memorable walks, progress in lean healthcare, and other topics. We recorded two podcasts in the same sitting. The next one will be out in a few weeks, with his thoughts on recent developments with GM and Toyota, his reflections on the word "lean," his thoughts on six sigma, and more. To point others to this, use the simple URL: www.leanblog.org/116. You can leave comments there, as well. For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes. If you have feedback on the podcast, or any questions for me or my guests, you can email me at leanpodcast@gmail.com or you can call and leave a voicemail by calling the "Lean Line" at (817) 776-LEAN (817-776-5326) or contact me via Skype id "mgraban". Please give your location and your first name. Any comments (email or voicemail) might be used in follow ups to the podcast.


