

Thinking Class
John Gillam
Join John Gillam and his guests in reclaiming the space to think out loud and learn to pay attention to what matters. Including guests like David Starkey, Peter Hitchens, Roy Baumeister, Spencer Klavan, Eric Kaufmann, Paul Embery, Frank Furedi, David Goodhart, Carl Trueman, Connor Tomlinson, Ed West, Neema Parvini, Nigel Biggar, Robert Tombs, and Helen Pluckrose.
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Mar 29, 2024 • 1h 1min
#020 - Momus Najmi - Britain Is Suffering A Clash Of Civilisations
Momus Najmi is writer, commentator, and podcaster. Host of The World of Momus podcast and author of the Substack 'The World of Momus'. Momus has made appearances on broadcast media such as GB News and on podcasts such as New Culture, British Thought Leaders, and many more. In this episode, Momus and I talk about his experience of leaving Islam, why he chose to England and Britain as the place he wished to call home, the tension between British culture and Islam, and the impact of mass immigration on culture.Show notesWorld of Momus - SubstackMomus Najmi - X

Mar 22, 2024 • 1h 8min
#019 - Ian Williams: China's Influence Is Everywhere But It's Future Is Not Golden
Ian Williams is an author and award-winning journalist who has reported from across the world. He covered business and technology for the Sunday Times before moving to television. He was a foreign correspondent, first for Channel 4 News in Moscow and Asia, and then for NBC news, based in Bangkok and Beijing. Ian has travelled and reported from across China and has also covered conflicts across the Balkans, the Middle East, and Ukraine. In this episode, Ian Williams and I talk about the political class’s response to China in recent decades, what Britain and the western world should be concerned about, the Chinese Communist Party’s influence on academia in Britain, China’s capability for innovation, the future of its Belt & Road Initiative, and why China’s rise is not as inevitable as it seems.Show notes- How China bought Cambridge - The Spectator- Britain finally wakes up to China's influence operations - The Spectator

Mar 15, 2024 • 1h 4min
#018 - Lionel Shriver: Why I Left Britain (And Feel Guilty About It)
Lionel Shriver is an author of 8 books, including, 'We Need To Talk About Kevin', which won the Orange Prize for Fiction in 2005 and a journalist, with a fortnightly column in The Spectator and a contributor to The Times. In this episode, Lionel and I talk about mass immigration to Britain and the subsequent demographic transformation, why populism is thriving even without political representation, the role complacency plays in a country's future, cultural decline and the prospect of renewal, and the fragility of order.Show notesI'm leaving Britain - and I feel guilty

Mar 8, 2024 • 60min
#017 - Paul Embery - Why British Politicians Are Treating Citizens With Contempt
Paul Embery is a firefighter, trade union activist, writer and broadcaster. Paul has been a member of the Labour party since 1994 and active in the wider labour movement for most of his adult life. He has served on the executive council of the Fire Brigades Union and as the national organiser of Trade Unionists Against the EU.Paul has written extensively about working-class politics and culture, including for UnHerd, The Huffington Post, The Spectator, Spiked and Compact. His first book is Despised: why the modern Left loathes the working class, which was published in 2020.In this episode, we talk about why the modern left loathes the working class, the real-world impact of mass migration on British towns, political schism that has grown between the British political class and the majority of the electorate, the future of the Labour Party, why the British left consistently lacks patriotism in comparison to its European counterparts, and how the political class could reform itself.Enjoy the show class mates.Show notes- Despised: Why The Modern Left Loathes The Working Class- Paul's Substack- The Britain we all knew is fast disappearing

Mar 1, 2024 • 1h 19min
#016 - Tom Jones - Betraying Britain's Future: "The Conservatives' Governing Strategy Is Bankrupt"
Tom Jones is a writer and Councillor for Scotton and Lower Wensleydale, in North Yorkshire, England. Tom is the author of Substack 'The Potemkin Village Idiot' and he writes, for The Critic, Con Home, Cap X, Unherd, and The Guardian. Tom is concerned with winning back a conservative Britain fit for the 21st Century and engages is a commentator and critic of social policy, culture, and the political class.In this episode, we talk about his motivations for public service, the decline of conservatism in British political class, whether Gen-Z might possess a reactionary streak, what people mean when they talk about 'the blob', why developing a policy of Anglo-futurism would be a good thing, the power of vernacular architecture, why a policy of mass immigration is destructive, and why Tim Martin of Wetherspoons fame deserves a knighthood.Show notesAgainst immigrationnismeIs diversity our strength?Statism can’t save civil society

Feb 23, 2024 • 55min
#015 - Martina Macpherson - What ESG Is And Why There Is A Backlash
Martina Macpherson has been recognised as a one of the ‘Top 50 Women in Finance’ (World Finance Forum 2022), and as a strategic engager and influencer (Commetric ESG Influencer Index, 2020, 2021; Modern Slavery Influencer Index, 2018) and by various organisations and bodies for her sustainable investing track record and Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) work across industry and academia. Martina is Head of ESG Product Management at SIX - the Swiss Exchanges Group - and a Board Member of the Network for Sustainable Financial Markets. She is a visiting fellow at Henley Business School and a guest lecturer at University of Zurich. Martina has held a range of senior strategy, global research, business and product development roles for global financial services organisations and is a board member and co chair of an infuential working group that shapes policy and regulations at the leading industry body for the ESG data, ratings and index industry, and is a member of the All Party Parliamentary Group on ESG for the Houses of Parliament in the United Kingdom, as well as many other roles.In this episode, Martina and I talk about what ESG is, its successes, why there is pushback against it and whether its political in nature, the complexity of the data used for ESG investing, and the need to find a balance between expertise and taking on board local perspectives in sustainability policy making, and much more.Show notes- Martina Macpherson on LinkedIn

Feb 16, 2024 • 1h 10min
#014 - Ed West - Lessons From History: Elites, Populists, and Cultural Amnesia
Ed West is a columnist and author of the popular 'Wrong Side of History' Substack. Ed's work has appeared in many of Britain's biggest publications. He is also the author of many books, including Saxons versus Vikings: Alfred The Great, 1215 and all that, 1066 and before all that, and What We Got Wrong About Immigration and How To Set It Right. We talk about why why cultural elites (and the ideas they hold) matter, why having a shared common cultural narrative is important, whether we we need 'historical leaders, historic misalignments between rulers and ruled, examples of top-down impositions of cultural change in Britain, what Ed means by 'nice things' and why it's ok to have them. Show notes- Wrong Side of History - Substack

Feb 9, 2024 • 1h 3min
#013 - Tomiwa Owolade: Why America's Culture War Should Not Be Britain's
Tomiwa Owolade is a writer and critic and is the author of the book This Is Not America. Tom has written for The Times, The Sunday Times, The Spectator, The Financial Times, The Evening Standard, and the Literary Review. He is also a contributing writer at The New Statesman and has made appearances on GB News and BBC Radio 4.In this episode we talk about why Britain should not import America's racial politics, the complexities of identity, why social class is a bigger determinant of life outcomes in Britain than race is, and the impact of secularisation and religion on British national life. Tom and I had some fun together at times in this episode and I'm sure you will find him to a be a positive voice.Enjoy the show, class mates. Show notes- This is Not America by Tomiwa Owolade

Feb 2, 2024 • 1h 4min
#012 - Dr. Rakib Ehsan: Why Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Policies Do More Harm Than Good
Dr. Rakib Ehsan is a research analyst and writer, specialising in matters of social cohesion, race relations, and public security and it's safe to say he has established himself as a prominent British authority on matters of racial identity and social integration. He is the author of the 'Beyond Grievance: What The Left Gets Wrong About Ethnic Minorities'. Rakib holds a PhD in Political Science in which he investigated the impact of social integration on the public attitudes of British non-white ethnic minorities. Currently a columnist at Sp!ked and a regular contributor for Mail Plus and The Telegraph. Rakib has also written for UnHerd and the Jewish Chronicle. He is also a regular guest on GB News and TalkTV.In this episode we speak about the disintegrative effect of DEI policies, the influence of US race relations on British politics, balancing individualism, communitarianism, and the family, national law and order post-October 7th, creating a civic model of national identity, British Muslims, and much more.Enjoy the show class mates. Show notes- Beyond Grievance: What The Left Gets Wrong About Ethnic Minorities

Jan 26, 2024 • 57min
#011 - Esmé Partridge: Why King Charles Could Improve Social Cohesion In Modern Britain
Esmé Partridge is an MPhil student at the University of Cambridge and writer for publications including UnHerd, The Critic, and First Things. Esmé previously worked for a consultancy at the intersection of religion and politics where she was involved in several projects relating to religious freedom and interfaith relations.Today we talk about the shift in contemporary religion and spirituality with traditional religions versus a menu of options, the importance of elites and their attitudes, King Charles III's philosophical worldview and why it could matter for social cohesion in an ethnically diverse and multi-faith United Kingdom, tradition, order, and freedom, and the impact of AI on creativity, competence and memory. This is a deeply accessible philosophical conversation and while many of us in the modern West don't generally place much importance on monarchy or religion's influence on the public square, Esmé shows why both are much more important than we think.Show notes- Charles will be our Perennialist King - UnHerd- Forgetting the Art of Memory | Esmé Partridge | First Things- Pope Francis offers the most powerful critique of AI yet - The Post (unherd.com)- Esmé L K Partridge (esmelkpartridge.com)