

Thinking Class
John Gillam
Join John Gillam and his guests in reclaiming the space to think out loud and learn to pay attention to what matters. Including guests like David Starkey, Peter Hitchens, Roy Baumeister, Nigel Biggar, Ed West, David Goodhart, Eric Kaufmann, Paul Embery, Frank Furedi, Carl Trueman, Connor Tomlinson, Harrison Pitt, Neema Parvini, Robert Tombs, Bijan Omrani, Mark Vernon, Philip Pilkington and Alan Macfarlane.
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Nov 14, 2025 • 1h 21min
#102 - David Betz - Tribes At War: The Sectarian Battle For Britain's Future & Its Grim Reality
David Betz is Professor of War in the Department of War Studies at King's College London where he heads the MA War Studies programme. He is also a Senior Fellow of the Foreign Policy Research Institute. Prof. Betz's most recent book, The Guarded Age: Fortification in the 21st Century, is published by Polity.In this episode, David and I think out loud about the role of political institutions in civil conflict, the impact of demographics on politics & how the election of Zohran Mamdani for Mayor of New York City and continued election of Sadiq Khan for the Mayor of London are instructive about the future of Anglophone countries, whether the white British are displaying an anger and spiritedness following suppression and dismissal of their national identity, what Britain looks and feels like if it descends into inter-tribal civil conflict, how the elites have betrayed the British people, why Britain’s youth are discontented, the rival visions and consequences for Britain’s future, and what David has changed his mind on and much, much more.Follow David on XBuy David's book hereYou can follow and subscribe to Thinking Class on:X/TwitterYouTubeSubstackEnjoy the show class mates.

Nov 7, 2025 • 1h 16min
#101 - Nina Power - Beyond Deportations: The Restoration Of Britain's Soul
Nina Power is a philosopher, writer, and author of books including What Do Men Want?: Masculinity and Its Discontents. Nina runs philosophy courses with Verdurin and is also the author of the Substack Nina Power and the host of the podcast The Lack.In this episode, Nina and I think out loud about whether the end of liberalism is real, whether post-liberalism is a dead end, why lots of English people keep invoking Tolkien and the scouring of the Shire, whether there's an England left to be saved, what a restoration of Britain would like beyond deportations, the re-Christianising of Britain, the influence of the elites on how the masses think, why Britain needs to be clear and confident about its heritage in the face of challenges from foreign cultures and religions, how far the Overton Window on acceptable political discourse will shift, why societal collapse would see the death of ideology and the rise of violent factionalism, why therapy will only take you so far and much, much more.Follow Nina on XSubscribe to Nina on SubstackBuy Nina's book hereYou can follow and subscribe to Thinking Class on:X/TwitterYouTubeSubstackEnjoy the show class mates.

Oct 31, 2025 • 1h 15min
#100 - Philip Cunliffe - Britain's Future Now Globalisation Is Dead: Demographics, Identity And The National Interest
Philip Cunliffe is Associate Professor of International Relations at the UCL, where he researches and teaches on the topics of international order, multinational military intervention, and conflict management. He has 20 years of academic experience, having previously worked as a Senior Lecturer at the University of Kent and a Temporary Lecturer at the UK’s Joint Services Command and Staff College. He obtained his PhD in War Studies from King’s College London. He has also worked as a contributor to the Economist Intelligence Unit.He is a prolific author and editor, having published eight books and numerous academic articles and chapters on many aspects of international politics and security. His recent books include Taking Control: Sovereignty And Democracy After Brexit (2022), authored with George Hoare, Lee Jones, and Peter Ramsay. Philip is the author of The National Interest (2025).In this episode, Philip and I think out loud about the importance of politicians and citizenry alike thinking in terms of the national interest, how our political class came to be globally-minded and neglectful of it, why the rolling up of the American Empire will force other nations to think in the national interest, whether liberalism and its assumptions undermine and subvert it, whether the conception of the British national interest will undergo change due to the massive demographic change of recent decades that's accelerating and which will see Britain become less than 50% white British by 2050, why Philip thinks Britain has the political institutions to forge a new nation that sees people of immigrant heritage give up their diasporic connections and pledge fealty to this nation alone and natives give up their internationalist ideals, why John challenges the likelihood of success, and how Philip came to begrudgingly see that academic freedom could only be protected by the state and not self-policed and much, much more.Follow and subscribe to Philip on SubstackFollow Philip on X/TwitterBuy Philip's latest book here: The National Interest: Politics After GlobalisationDiscover Philip's other books on AmazonYou can follow and subscribe to Thinking Class on:X/TwitterYouTubeSubstackEnjoy the show class mates.

Oct 25, 2025 • 1h 2min
#099 - Paul Embery - Why Diversity Is Britain's Greatest Challenge & How The Labour Party Is Punishing Britain
Paul Embery is a firefighter, trade union activist, writer and broadcaster. Paul has been a member of the Labour party since 1994 and active in the wider labour movement for most of his adult life. He has served on the executive council of the Fire Brigades Union and as the national organiser of Trade Unionists Against the EU.Paul has written extensively about working-class politics and culture, including for UnHerd, The Huffington Post, The Spectator, Spiked and Compact. His first book is Despised: why the modern Left loathes the working class, which was published in 2020.In this episode, Paul and I think out loud about the current state of the Labour Party, the sentiments of the working class toward the party and about the nation, the impact of immigration and the economic issues experienced by Britain, the increasing influence of the Blue Labour movement in the Labour party after being shunned for some years, why the Labour party needs to reconnect with its traditional base and address the concerns of the working class, particularly regarding cultural identity and national sentiment, how Britain is being served up hard multiculturalism and why it has emerged as a political ideology, and, indeed why Britain needs to put a stop to it.Enjoy the show, Classmates, and don't forget to subscribe.Follow and subscribe to Paul on Substack: https://www.paulembery.com/Follow Paul on X/Twitter: https://x.com/PaulEmberyBuy Paul's book: Despised: Why The Modern Left Loathes The Working ClassYou can follow and subscribe to Thinking Class on:X/TwitterYouTubeSubstackYou can listen to my previous conversation with Paul here.

Oct 10, 2025 • 1h 6min
#98 - Lord Nigel Biggar - The Case Against Britain Paying Reparations For Its Role In The Transatlantic Slave Trade
Lord Nigel Biggar is Emeritus Regius Professor of Moral Theology at the University of Oxford and Distinguished Scholar in Residence at Pusey House, Oxford. He holds a B.A. in Modern History from Oxford and a PhD in Christian Theology and Ethics from the University of Chicago. In 2021, he was appointed Commander of the British Empire (CBE) for 'services to higher education'.Nigel is the author of several acclaimed works, including Reparations: Slavery and the Tyranny of Guilt, Colonialism: A Moral Reckoning, What’s Wrong with Rights?, In Defence of War, and Between Kin and Cosmos: An Ethic of the Nation. His writing has appeared in publications such as The Financial Times, The Times, The Daily Telegraph, The Spectator, The Critic, Standpoint, The Glasgow Herald, The Irish Times, UnHerd, and Quillette.His most recent books are Reparations: Slavery and the Tyranny Of Imaginary Guilt; Colonialism: A Moral Reckoning (2023), What’s Wrong with Rights? (2020), In Defence of War (2013), and Between Kin and Cosmopolis: An Ethic of the Nation (2014). In the press he has written articles for the Financial Times, the (London) Times, the Daily Telegraph, the Spectator, the (Glasgow} Herald, the Irish Times, Standpoint, The Critic, The Article, Unherd and Quillette. In this episode, Nigel and I think out loud about rethinking the problem of historical injustices and why Britain does not owe reparations to descendants of the transatlantic slave trade, how much of a contribution slavery made to Britain's industrial prosperity, the scale of slave trade across the world at various times in history, the responsibility of Africans in the slave trade, the history of the enslavement of British and European slaves, whether Britain's recent immigration history will permanently impact its justice system and political culture, the topic of illegal immigration and deportations and much, much more.You can follow Nigel's work here:Nigel’s booksNigel’s WebsiteX/TwitterYou can also follow and subscribe to Thinking Class on:X/TwitterYouTubeSubstackEnjoy the show Classmates.

Oct 3, 2025 • 55min
#97 - Andreas Svanlund - Why The 'Energy Transition' Is Dead
Andreas Svanlund is Chief Commercial Officer at Safe Clean, a Norwegian hydrocarbons company. Formerly an officer in the Norwegian Armed Forces, Andreas later joined the defence industry as a business developer with a focus on NATO and Europol special forces. He has also supplied combat uniforms and equipment to the Norwegian military, working closely with national counter-terrorism and organised crime units.In this episode, Andreas and I think out loud about the critical importance of energy resilience for Western nations in today’s multipolar world. We discuss why the much-vaunted “energy transition” to renewables has not only failed but arguably never truly begun, and what this means for national security. Andreas explains the risks of relying on foreign energy supplies, how the rapid growth of AI data centres will actually increase demand for fossil fuels, and why governments will be forced to adapt their energy policies as a result.We also explore the deep connections between energy resilience, economic prosperity, and domestic political stability and what is at stake if these connections are ignored.Enjoy the show, Classmates, and don’t forget to subscribe.You can follow Andreas’s work here:Andreas’s SubstackAndreas’s LinkedInYou can follow and subscribe to Thinking Class on:X/TwitterYouTubeSubstackYou can watch the full show on YouTube or you can watch/listen to it on Substack

Sep 26, 2025 • 55min
#096 - Dominic Frisby - The Secret History Of Gold: The Best, Worst & Bravest Of Humanity
Dominic Frisby is a financial writer, broadcaster, and comedian. Dominic is the author of Life After the State, Bitcoin: The Future of Money, and Daylight Robbery: How Tax Shaped Our Past and Will Change Our Future. He contributes regularly to financial publications such as Money Week and has performed stand-up comedy both in the UK and internationally.In this episode, Dominic and I think out loud about the history of gold, humanity's relationship with it, the history of gold rushes, why "gold is honest money and is disliked by dishonest men", why governments & individuals have always and will always want it, how much the British Empire relied on gold, how much British state short-termism cost the country in 2010 when it sold gold at the bottom of the market, why excess government & regulation, the erosion of privacy, and bureaucratic overreach is linked to running economies with fiat currency, why money should be independent of state & government control and much, much more.Enjoy the show, Classmates, and don't forget to subscribe.You can follow Dominic’s work here:Dominic’s booksDominic’s SubstackDominic’s websiteInstagramX/TwitterYou can follow and subscribe to Thinking Class on:X/TwitterYouTubeSubstack

Sep 19, 2025 • 1h 9min
#095 - David Shipley - Rediscovering The Rod Of Justice: The Radical Changes Britain's Justice System Needs
David Shipley is a writer, campaigner, has worked as a consultant prison inspector, and is the author of the Substack Shipley Writes. David's work has appeared in The Spectator, The Sunday Times and The Telegraph. In this episode, David and I think out loud about his remarkable life journey: from a career in corporate finance to serving time in prison for fraud, and ultimately becoming a leading advocate for prison reform, how the prison system has morally decayed, why this decline reflects the wider influence of a morally relativistic, hyper-liberal, non-judgemental culture, and what real rehabilitation might look like in practice, why David supports the reintroduction of the death penalty in the United Kingdom, the dangers posed by Islamic gangs and extremism within prisons, and the daily challenges faced by prison staff, the transformative role of faith in his life, his conviction that England can once again be made safe in an age of rising criminality, and why truth-telling and courage are essential to building a more just society and much, much more. Enjoy the show, Classmates. You can follow David’s work here:X/TwitterDavid’s SubstackDavid’s websiteThe SpectatorThe TelegraphYou can follow and subscribe to Thinking Class on:X/TwitterYouTubeSubstack

Sep 12, 2025 • 1h 1min
#094 - Lorenzo Warby - Crushing Dissent: How The Rise Of The 'Unaccountable Class' Ruined Everything
Lorenzo Warby, is a writer of the Substack Lorenzo from Oz and a regular contributor to Helen Dale’s Not on Your Team, but Always Fair, a Substack-recommended publication.In this episode, Lorenzo and I think out loud about the idea of institutional capture, how Western institutions have been overtaken by fashionable ideologies, and how this has led to the rise of unaccountable classes within bureaucracies. We discuss how these unaccountable elites influence policy and norms across both politics and private institutions, what Lorenzo means by the “feminisation of institutions,” and why governance and accountability have been so badly weakened.We also explore the role of dissent, why it is so often suppressed, and how this undermines the possibility of reform. Lorenzo points to Australian political structures as examples of how accountability can be done better, and we reflect on what lessons they might hold for Western societies more broadly.This is Lorenzo’s fourth appearance on the show, and as ever it’s a wide-ranging discussion full of diversions, references, and tangents that ultimately connect to a bigger picture of how we arrived at our current political and institutional malaise.Follow Lorenzo on X: @lorenzofromYou can find Lorenzo’s work here:Substack - Lorenzo from OzSubstack - Not On Your Team, But Always FairYou can listen to our previous conversations here:#029: Forget The War Of The Sexes, Men & Women Were Made To Complement Each Other#040: Why Our Genes & Cultures Undermine Our Quest For Equality#068 - Why Economists' Predictions Go Wrong, The Roman Empire Fell, And Why You Should Never Give Bureaucrats Moral ProjectsYou can follow and subscribe to Thinking Class on:X/TwitterYouTubeSubstackYou can watch the full show on YouTube or you can watch/listen to it on Substack

Sep 5, 2025 • 1h 4min
#093 - George Owers - Britain's 350-Year Culture War: The Birth Of Party Politics
George Owers is an editor, writer, and author of the newly released The Rage of Party: How Whig Versus Tory Made Modern Britain. In this episode, George and I think out loud about the origins of party politics in Britain, tracing how the Whigs and Tories emerged out of the Glorious Revolution of 1688, how the Whigs’ eventual dominance led to the creation of many of Britain’s most enduring institutions, shaping political life up to the present day, how the parties’ contrasting relationships with the monarchy and their religious differences deepened the divide, and why today's culture wars continue to echo those same historical tensions, whether today's Britain’s political discourse, so often centred on “British values,” can really make claim to a coherent set of values at all, and why a cohesive national identity is essential for sustaining both social democracy and the welfare state and why mass immigration is threatening these and much, much more. This is a rich and informative discussion — a history lesson in the first twenty minutes, followed by a wide-ranging exploration of how the wounds opened 350 years ago are still being re-litigated in today’s political culture.You can find George's work here:Follow George on X Buy his book hereRead his work on The CriticYou can follow and subscribe to Thinking Class on:X/TwitterYouTubeSubstack


