
SpyTalk
SpyTalk lives at the intersection of intelligence operations, foreign policy, homeland security, and military strategy. Hosted by veteran national security journalist Jeff Stein, the podcast features exclusives by SpyTalk’s roster of longtime reporters, news and profiles of US and foreign spymasters, and interviews with policymakers and expert authors. There’s nothing quite like it—a place for experts and laypersons alike, who enjoy national security scoops and insights by SpyTalk's subject matter experts.
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Latest episodes

Sep 13, 2024 • 33min
Inside Assad's Torture Chamber
Sam Goodwin tells us about his harrowing ordeal as a prisoner in one of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad's torture chambers. It is an extraordinary story of a young American from St. Louis who embarked on a personal adventure to visit every country in the planet only to be ensnared when he made it into Syria by Assad's security forces, who threw him into one of their most notorious prisons as a suspected CIA spy. His account, told in his new book called Saving Sam, the true story of an American's disappearance in Syria and his family's extraordinary fight to bring him home, is a reminder of the still ongoing atrocities in Syria's 13 year long civil war.More from Sam Goodwin:https://www.samrgoodwin.com/https://www.samrgoodwin.com/book/
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Sep 6, 2024 • 36min
Another China Spying Shocker
Over a period of roughly 14 years, according to the feds, Linda Sun rose through the ranks to become deputy chief of staff to Governor Hochul, before she was fired for unspecified reasons and became a target of federal investigators. But according to the DoJ, the 41-year-old was secretly using her position to advance Chinese political and business interests and steal relevant documents. In return, the feds say, Beijing’s spy service showered the couple with millions of dollars that afforded them lavish homes, a Ferrari Roma sports car, and—people had fun with this—special salted duck dishes prepared by a Chinese Embassy chef. In court on Tuesday the couple entered not guilty pleas to charges of acting as unregistered foreign agents.One person who is absolutely not surprised by all this is Nicholas Eftimiades who became a leading expert on Chinese espionage over his 34-year government career, which included work for the CIA, the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, and as a Senior Intelligence Officer in the Defense Intelligence Agency. Today he teaches at Penn State and is a Senior Fellow at the Atlantic Council's Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security. He is also the author of “Chinese Intelligence Operations,” which will soon be reissued with an update. China’s MSS spy agency, of course, couldn’t care less about which party, or level of US government, it infiltrates. Its goal is to weaken the United States by any means necessary.Nick Eftimiadeshttps://twitter.com/neftimiadeshttps://www.linkedin.com/in/eftimiades/
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Aug 31, 2024 • 51min
Former US Envoy to Russia on Ukraine’s Bleak Future
John Sullivan, the former U.S. ambassador to Moscow under Presidents Trump and Biden, worries that the Ukraine war could go on for "decades" and offers some candid views on his dealings with Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
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Aug 23, 2024 • 48min
Kabul Calamity Consequences
Washington Post investigative reporter Craig Whitlock, author of “The Afghanistan Papers,” is Jeff Stein’s guest on the sad anniversary of the chaotic retreat. Craig WitlockCraig Whitlock - The Washington Post
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Aug 16, 2024 • 33min
Another 9/11-Style Attack in the Works?
Join investigative journalist Michael Isikoff and Colin P. Clarke, a senior research fellow at The Soufan Group, as they delve into the alarming resurgence of ISIS-K and evolving terror threats post-Afghanistan withdrawal. They discuss the implications of weakened U.S. intelligence and border security challenges while highlighting the complex leadership dynamics within ISIS-K. With rising fears linked to emerging ideologies, they urge a critical reevaluation of national security strategies to safeguard against potential threats reminiscent of 9/11.

Aug 9, 2024 • 39min
SPY FAMILY SHOCKERS
This week, we’re going to take a look at the shock and disorientation the children of spies face when they learn that one, or both, of their parents are not who they say they are.Jeff’s guest, Johanna McCloy, didn’t know she was the daughter of an American spy until she was 15 years old.Johanna McCloyhttps://johannamccloy.substack.com/
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Aug 2, 2024 • 33min
9/11 Families Feel Betrayed by Gitmo Deal
The Pentagon’s stunning plea deal with 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and two co-defendants was negotiated and announced without briefings for the families of victims of the terrorist attack–an apparent failure that drew a furious reaction Thursday from a leading 9/11 victims’ group.Brett Eagleson https://www.911justice.org/Follow Michael Isikoff on Twitter:https://twitter.com/isikoffFind Me the Votes: A Hard-Charging Georgia Prosecutor, a Rogue President, and the Plot to Steal an American Election
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Jul 26, 2024 • 44min
HOW TO SPY
Veteran CIA ops officer Jim Lawler talks about the tricks of the trade with host Jeff Stein.Jim Lawlerhttps://www.spyex.com/expert/james-lawlerhttps://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B09FMVF622
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Jul 19, 2024 • 42min
Secret Service Meltdown
John Cohen, former DHS Intel Chief, dives into the alarming security breakdown during a recent assassination attempt involving a former president. He discusses the critical responsibilities of the Secret Service, highlighting their dedication amidst failures in communication and preemptive measures. Cohen also examines the rising tide of political violence and the complex motivations behind a young shooter's actions. The need for transparency and accountability in protective measures, especially with escalating threats, is emphasized throughout the conversation.

Jul 12, 2024 • 44min
Mafia Spies
“Mafia Spies” is based on a 2019 book by the same name by veteran investigative reporter Thomas Maier, with the subtitle, “The Inside Story of the CIA, Gangsters, JFK, and Castro.” Which in turn was based largely on declassified files relating to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The TV series includes dramatic recreations of critical moments in the plots, lively, insightful commentary with longstanding experts on Cuba, Castro and the Kennedys, as well as on-camera interviews with a few, still living relatives and associates of the key gangsters in the conspiracies, Johnny Rosselli and Sam Giancana. The series sheds new light on the grisly demise of Giancana and Rosselli before they were able to spill all the beans about the demonic—and sometimes comic failures—of the Castro assassination efforts.Thomas MaierMafia Spies - Watch on Paramount PlusFollow Jeff Stein on Twitter:https://twitter.com/SpyTalkerFollow SpyTalk on Twitter:https://twitter.com/talk_spySubscribe to SpyTalk on Substackhttps://www.spytalk.co/
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