
SpyTalk
SpyTalk lives at the intersection of intelligence operations, foreign policy, homeland security, and military strategy. Hosted by veteran national security journalist Jeff Stein, the podcast features exclusives by SpyTalk’s roster of longtime reporters, news and profiles of US and foreign spymasters, and interviews with policymakers and expert authors. There’s nothing quite like it—a place for experts and laypersons alike, who enjoy national security scoops and insights by SpyTalk's subject matter experts.
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Latest episodes

Feb 11, 2025 • 54min
Betrayal: Trump Justice Department’s War on the FBI
Former top FBI counterterrorism agent Chris O’Leary tells host Michael Isikoff how Acting Deputy Attorney General Emil Bove was a diligent prosecutor of Jan. 6 rioters before he turned on his teammates at Trump's behest.
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Feb 7, 2025 • 40min
How Might Trump Deploy DHS Intelligence?
Former Senior DHS Intelligence Counsel Spencer Reynolds talks with host Jeff Stein about the troubled past and uncertain future of the agency’s Intelligence & Analysis wing under President Trump.More from Spencer Reynoldshttps://www.brennancenter.org/experts/spencer-reynolds
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Jan 31, 2025 • 50min
A “Bonanza" of Spyware Abuses
Ron Deibert, Director of Citizen Lab and author of "Chasing Shadows," dives into the disturbing world of spyware abuse by governments and spy agencies. He highlights the alarming rise in unregulated surveillance practices, particularly against journalists and dissidents. Deibert reveals how technologies, originally developed through military expertise, have become commercialized tools for oppression. He discusses the chilling implications of spyware in crises like the Khashoggi case and ongoing scandals in Europe, emphasizing the urgent need for regulatory protections.

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Jan 24, 2025 • 47min
Is Chinese Intelligence Really Subverting TikTok?
In a captivating discussion, Jim Himes, the Ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, shares his insights on the TikTok controversy, asserting there's "zero evidence" of data misuse by Beijing. He also confronts the alarming realities of January 6 pardons and their potential impact on national security. Himes delves into the complexities of U.S.-China relations, critiques government actions on TikTok as a free speech issue, and highlights the divides within intelligence regarding COVID-19 origins, making for a thought-provoking dialogue.

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Jan 17, 2025 • 36min
Inside the White House Situation Room
Larry Pfeiffer, a former senior CIA official and director of the White House Situation Room, joins to discuss the inner workings of this critical space. He contrasts its real environment with Hollywood depictions, sharing insights from the Osama bin Laden mission. Pfeiffer highlights the importance of apolitical conduct among staff, detailing strict vetting processes. He also touches on the implications of political purges and the need for experienced personnel to ensure national security during turbulent times.

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Jan 10, 2025 • 47min
Upending Jan. 6 Reality
Timothy Heaphy, former chief counsel for the Jan. 6 committee and federal prosecutor, dives into the shifting narratives surrounding the Capitol riot and its connection to social media's role in radicalization. He discusses the risks posed by misinformation online and emphasizes the need for law enforcement to adapt their approaches to monitor threats without infringing on civil liberties. He also critiques narratives surrounding free speech and highlights the importance of enhancing media literacy in our increasingly polarized digital landscape.

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Dec 20, 2024 • 47min
What’s Up for Trump’s FBI?
Lauren Anderson, a former FBI counterspy executive and NYC Terrorism Task Force leader, shares her insights on potential changes within national security under a possible second Trump administration. She discusses the alarming rise of domestic extremism and critiques the Department of Homeland Security's response. The conversation also touches on the importance of oversight within the FBI, the role of the FBI Agents Association, and the need for improved inter-agency cooperation to tackle threats like Chinese espionage.

Dec 13, 2024 • 38min
How the Syrian Rebels Beat Assad
Anti-Assad activist Mouaz Moustafa in Damascus tells Michael Isikoff how he got advance word about the rebel offensive that would topple the Assad regime—including the hidden hand that foreign intelligence agencies may have played in laying the groundwork—and how the regime’s secret files may shed new light on the relationship that DNI-designate Tulsi Gabbard had with the Assad regime. Mouaz Moustafahttps://twitter.com/SoccerMouazSyrian Emergency Task Forcehttps://setf.ngo/https://twitter.com/SyrianETF
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Dec 6, 2024 • 49min
Why Kash Patel is the Most Dangerous Trump Nominee Yet
Garrett Graff, a historian and journalist known for his expertise in national security, delves into Kash Patel's potential nomination as FBI director. He raises alarms about Patel's lack of qualifications and his MAGA loyalty, suggesting his leadership could politicize the agency. Graff discusses the historical context of political pressures on the FBI and the risks of compromising its integrity. The conversation also touches on the implications of preemptive pardons and the growing concerns over the erosion of political norms.

Nov 29, 2024 • 41min
Is Putin's Russia a Terrorist State?
SpyTalk's Michael Isikoff talks to Chris Costa, former chief of counter-terrorism at the NSC and now executive director of the International Spy Museum, about the mounting threat of Russian hybrid warfare-- including acts of sabotage, arson, assassination and cyber intrusions-- and whether it is time to designate Putin's Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. Costa also weighs in on President-elect Trump's pick of Tulsi Gabbard to be DNI and Sebastian Gorka as the new counter-terror chief at the NSC. More from our guest, Chris Costahttps://www.defenseone.com/voices/christopher-p-costa/14609/Follow Michael Isikoff on Twitter:https://twitter.com/isikoff
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