
Sustain
Sustain brings together practitioners, sustainers, funders, researchers and maintainers of the open source ecosystem. We have conversations about the health and sustainability of the open source community. We learn about the ins and outs of what ‘open source’ entails in the real world. Open source means so much more than a license; we're interested in talking about how to make sure that the culture of open source continues, grows, and ultimately, sustains itself.
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Jan 19, 2024 • 22min
Episode 216: Mohammed Shah on TOS Violations for Open Source Projects
Mohammed Shah, full-stack developer, discusses his involvement in a WhatsApp chatbot project to reduce prediabetes risk. They delve into potential violations of WhatsApp's terms of service and the distressing experience of receiving cease and desist letters. The conversation also explores the challenges faced by open source maintainers and the idea of forming an open source developer union. Mohammed also mentions a climate-related initiative he's working on and a website he set up for tracking corporate environmental destruction.

Jan 12, 2024 • 41min
Episode 215: Joe Castle on Code.gov
Joe Castle, Executive Advisor for Strategic Partnerships and Technology at SAS, discusses open source and Code.gov. They explore its history, federal source code policy, challenges, and budget allocation. They also discuss the importance of supporting open source projects and initiatives in different countries and labs.

Jan 5, 2024 • 31min
Episode 214: Dr. Laura Dornheim on Munich's open source journey
Dr. Laura Dornheim, CDO of Munich, discusses the city's open source journey, digital initiatives, creating a digital twin of the city, challenges in managing schools, and the importance of open source and public code.

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Dec 22, 2023 • 38min
Episode 213: Chad Whitacre on Sponsoring $500,000 to Open Source
Chad Whitacre, co-founder of SustainOSS and Sentry’s Head of Open Source, shares insights on Sentry’s $500k open source funding, the economic value of open source, and the importance of companies giving back. He also discusses Chad's unique business cards and the connection between licensing and funding in open source, along with book recommendations and personal preferences of the hosts.

Dec 15, 2023 • 39min
Episode 212: Carlos Martinez-Ortiz & Shoaib Sufi on WoSSS (Workshop on Sustainable Software Sustainability)
Carlos Martinez-Ortiz and Shoaib Sufi talk about the Workshop on Sustainable Software Sustainability, exploring the challenges and solutions in software sustainability. They discuss the crossroads between open source and research software, the importance of funding, and potential refinements for future workshops. The episode emphasizes knowledge exchange, networking, and community building in this evolving field.

Dec 8, 2023 • 16min
Episode 211: FOSSY 2023 with Kyle Wiens
Kyle Wiens, the driving force behind iFixit, discusses the creation of the largest collection of medical service manuals for hospitals. They explore copyright laws, right to repair legislation, and the potential futures of hardware. Topics include iFixit's collaboration with Strange Parts, legal implications surrounding service manuals, fair use, and the impact of right to repair legislation on consumer electronics.

Dec 1, 2023 • 33min
Episode 210: Dr. Bryan Behrenshausen on GitLab
Guest
Dr. Bryan G. Behrenshausen
Panelist
Leslie Hawthorn | Abby Cabunoc Mayes
Show Notes
In this episode, hosts Leslie Hawthorn from Red Hat and Abby Cabunoc Mayes from GitHub, welcome Dr. Bryan G. Behrenshausen, a Senior Open Source Program Manager at GitLab. This episode delves deep into the world of open source, discussing its importance, challenges, and how companies like GitLab and GitHub are navigating and supporting the open source community. Bryan showcases GitLab’s initiatives to support open source communities, touching on programs like the GitLab for Open Source, and the exclusive GitLab Open Source Partners program. Throughout the conversation topics like guidelines for diving into open source projects, the intrinsic link between open source and business strategy, and the role of effective social interaction in the open source realm are explored. The significance of maintaining transparent documentation, policies, and processes in an open source environment is also emphasized. Press download now to hear more!
[00:01:29] Bryan tells us about his role at GitLab, where he operates at the interface between GitLab, the company, and the broader GitLab community, focusing on open source contributions.
[00:03:23] Leslie inquires about specific support mechanisms GitLab offers to open source maintainers and Bryan mentions two significant programs at GitLab: The GitLab for Open Source program and The GitLab Open Source Partners program. He lists some major projects associated with the GitLab Open Source Partners program like Debian, Arch, Fedora, etc.
[00:08:45] Bryan emphasizes the importance of sustainability and how being a part of a community can provide support, best practices, and even commiseration.
[00:10:01] Abby points out the challenges of community interaction on platforms like GitHub and asks Bryan about the impact of his efforts on community building at GitLab.
Bryan acknowledges the challenges and notes that while they’re seeing progress in community building, it’s an ongoing effort.
[00:11:38] We hear how Bryan is handling open source projects that just need a private repository for security releases.
[00:12:38] Leslie mentions the significance of sharing policies and processes publicly, particularly in Europe, given the legislative environment. Bryan explains how GitLab implements a management model called “team ops” for best practices in an all-remote environment.
[00:13:33] Leslie stresses the importance of documentation, and Bryan shares that GitLab is active on Discord, and he tells the story of how the community started the server and later handed it to GitLab.
[00:15:33] Abby praises both GitLab and Red Hat for running open source projects and documentation. Bryan highlights the challenges and decisions behind using Discord.
[00:16:50] Bryan provides context for the open leadership assessment and talks about how open source principles impact organizational culture and design, he mentions he’ll be speaking with Heidi Hess von Ludewig about one of his favorite projects at All Things Open-2023, and we hear about the “open source way,” which is another project he worked on.
[00:20:58] Leslie raises the topic of interplay between work in communities and the responsibilities to employers, and Bryan explores the complexities of working in open source, the challenges, and frictions when balancing between community engagement and organizational objectives.
[00:24:26] Abby asks if GitLab is offering guidelines for diving into open source projects. Bryan responds that GitLab’s handbook provides some basic guides but lacks a full-fledged open source programs office.
[00:25:42] Leslie discusses a trend in technology industry where companies scale back on their open source program office staff, especially during rough economic times, and Bryan talks about the intertwined nature of open source and business strategy in certain organizations, and how the open source strategy is essential from top to bottom.
[00:28:27] Leslie suggests that achieving business outcomes can be smoother with the right tools, including the skills for effective social interactions in the open source realm.
Quotes
[00:03:45] “We owe it to the open source ecosystem of which we are a part to make sure that ecosystem is healthy and vibrant and has what it needs.”
[00:19:45] “I just think that open source communities are really fascinating Petri dishes of self-organization and self-governance.”
[00:24:02] “Participation in open source projects is all but unavoidable today as an organization.”
Spotlight
[00:29:32] Bryan’s spotlight is his favorite open source project, WordGrinder.
[00:31:02] Abby’s spotlight is Random Name Picker for Lucky Draw.
[00:31:44] Leslie’s spotlight is reading a chapter on ‘Communication Channels’ from the guidebook, The Turing Way.
Links
SustainOSS
SustainOSS Twitter
SustainOSS Discourse
podcast@sustainoss.org
SustainOSS Mastodon
Open Collective-SustainOSS (Contribute)
Richard Littauer Twitter
Leslie Hawthorn Twitter
Abby Cabunoc Mayes Twitter
Dr. Bryan Behrenshausen Website
The Open Organization
GitLab
GitLab for Open Source
GitLab Open Source Partners
All Things Open (ATO) 2023
WordGrinder
Random Name Picker for Lucky Draw
The Turing Way-Communication Channels
Credits
Produced by Richard Littauer
Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound
Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound
Special Guest: Dr. Bryan Behrenshausen.Support Sustain

Nov 24, 2023 • 41min
Episode 209: Amanda Casari, Julie Ferraioli & Juniper Lovato and open source ecosystems research
Join Amanda Casari, Julie Ferraioli, and Juniper Lovato as they discuss their article on best practices for open source ecosystems researchers. They explore the target audience, publication details, and the uniqueness of this field of research. They also highlight the importance of respectful and critical analysis, representation and biases in open source research, and best practices for researchers studying open source ecosystems.

Nov 17, 2023 • 16min
Episode 208: FOSSY 2023 with Emily Omier
Emily Omier, a revenue strategy and positioning consultant, discusses her work with open source startups to clarify their commercial strategy. She explains the benefits of open source for European startups and the importance of aligning company identity with products. She also explores the role of open source communities and effectively communicating the value of open source to business leaders.

Nov 10, 2023 • 17min
Episode 207: FOSSY 2023 with Karen Sandler
Karen Sandler, Executive Director at Software Freedom Conservancy, discusses the challenges and ethical considerations of organizing FOSSY conference. They touch on software freedom, community involvement, DRM, coordination on renewals, and the global influence of U.S. law. The episode also highlights the pronunciation of "GNOME" and the balance between using open source and proprietary software.
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