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Panelists Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer Guest Joel Wasserman Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! Our special guest today is Joel Wasserman, an Engineer at Google and Founder of Flossbank. If you’ve never heard of Flossbank, this is the episode you want to listen to. We learn all about what it is, how the method works, what makes it different from other donation models out there, and how signing up and donating works. We also find out if Joel has advertisers lined up and what the current state of Flossbank is since they are still working on the system. Download this episode now to find out more! [00:00:52] We start off by learning what Flossbank is, what sets it apart, and how the method works. [00:04:03] Joel tells us how he got involved in Flossbank, how it started, and the process of how Flossbank works with signing up and donating. [00:08:00] Eric wonders how the money gets distributed all the way down to every package and is it through open collective or does he have to reach out to everyone. Joel lets us know they are in the process of building their maintainer portal and he explains. [00:10:36] Joel tells us how the funds get distributed. Justin wonders if this is a twenty percent time project and how Google and Amazon feel about this project that has to deal with money and his time. Eric also wonders what Joel’s long-term goal is and does he see this as his primary business eventually. [00:13:11] Eric talks about creating a business and the kickbacks and negative feelings. He asks Joel to talk about what percentage he’s planning on taking and how he plans on using that money as it comes in. [00:16:25] Richard wonders how Joel justifies Flossbank versus everything else and what’s his vision for making it stand out. [00:18:29] Digging into the advertising side of things now, Joel shares how he’s finding advertisers and if he has any lined up. [00:21:00] Richard wants to know what Joel is doing to support people who are not maintainers but who are major contributors to packages. We also find out the current state of Flossbank, even though they haven’t built the entire system yet. [00:24:53] Joel mentioned earlier there is an enterprise version of Flossbank Enterprise and he explains what that is, how it works, and what the goal is. Joel shares a great story about a discussion he had with a company. [00:27:58] Find out where you can get involved with Flossbank or reach out to Joel. Spotlight [00:30:09] Eric’s spotlight is iPad game called EVE Echoes. [00:31:11] Justin’s spotlight is Handshake. [00:31:26] Richard’s spotlights are Ethical Ads and The Long Trail. [00:31:58] Joel’s spotlight is Coil. Quotes [00:06:10] “We found in the developer community that nobody likes anything pushed on them, and just in general, we think things should of course be opt in.” [00:06:24] “We also build this on the belief that there are enough people in the ecosystem that actually want to give back. There’s just maybe not very easy ways to do it.” [00:08:50] “We have realized that we are really solving the how to bring more money into the system part of the equation.” [00:13:48] “André Staltz, who you recently had on the podcast, he stated in one of his blog posts, I don’t remember how long ago, talking about how open source is broken or something, said that if GitHub gave back even a fraction of what they were bought by Microsoft for then that would be 10X or a 100X fold what the open source ecosystem actually received in donations that year.” [00:27:05] “Some of these people don’t see the return on investment on donating when their whole company is the return on investment. Your whole company is actually only possible because of open source. The fact that you have these employees is your return on investment, that is what open source produces.” Links Flossbank Flossbank-GitHub Joel Wasserman Twitter EVE Echoes Handshake Ethical Ads-GitHub The Long Trail Coil Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Ad Sales by Eric Berry Special Guest: Joel Wasserman.Support Sustain

Panelists Allen "Gunner" Gunn | Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer Guest Mikeal Rogers Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! Our special guest today is Mikeal Rogers, who works at Protocol Labs as IPLD Lead. We learn what Protocol Labs is, where they come from, and what Mikeal does there as the IPLD Lead (InterPlanetary Linked Data). We will find out what happened when io.js forked with Node.js, if there is a difference between the Project Manager and Developer Role, and Mikeal’s interests in design libraries, and building a community and ecosystem from scratch and how they interrelate. Download this episode now to learn more! [00:01:25] Mikeal tells us what he does at Protocol Labs. We also learn who Protocol Labs is and where they come from. [00:06:43] Mikeal talks about what he did in his previous jobs. [00:09:48] Richard asks Mikeal what separates his path and his ideal goal from being someone who ends up just working on algorithms full time for Microsoft in the back office. [00:14:15] Mikeal shares with us the io.js fork with Node.js. Justin wonders if there was a lot tension between the communities and Mikeal explains. [00:19:40] Richard wonders if Mikeal thinks the Project Manager Role and the Developer Role are similar. [00:24:18] Mikeal specializes in and worked on design libraries so they can grow entire ecosystems and communities and how to make the code itself actually enable and afford better sustainable practices, which he talks about here. He mentions the creation of the Buffer Interface. [00:32:51] Mikeal tells us where we can learn more about him and things he’s done with community and sustainability stuff and where we can find him on the internet. Spotlight [00:34:46] Justin’s spotlight is Into the Ether podcast. [00:35:06] Gunner’s spotlight is Save Internet Freedom. [00:35:33] Richard’s spotlight is a book called, Apprenticeship Patterns by Dave Hoover and Adewale Oshineye. [00:35:49] Mikeal’s spotlight is GitHub Actions. Quotes [00:08:10] “The whole industry is really pushing you towards do more, take on more responsibility, do a startup, take on executive roles, keep going. It’s just never enough to just write code or be a programmer.” [00:08:24] “I had a real kind of identity crisis a little bit when I was leaving the Node Foundation, because I was like what am I going to do? And it actually took me a little while, like I had a short stint in some venture capital stuff.” [00:22:30] “If you write code every day, you have a practice. Even if you’re just doing it for work, you have a practice, like you sit down, and you probably notice yourself taking a walk, or working on a problem in the shower or something. These are really subtle forms of meditation for you to take yourself in a different state and get all of the distractions away for a minute and just think about a problem.” Links Protocol Labs IPLD (InterPlanetary Linked Data) Medium-Mikeal Rogers Mikeal Rogers-GitHub Mikeal Rogers Twitter “Request for Commits explored different perspectives in open source sustainability”-podcast with Nadia Eghbal and Mikeal Rogers Hope in Source podcast with Nadia Eghbal and Henry Zhu Apprenticeship Patterns: Guidance for the Aspiring Software Craftsman by Dave Hoover and Adewale Oshineye Into the Ether- A podcast by EthHub Save Internet Freedom GitHub Actions GitHub Actions (GitHub Docs) InfoWorld Tech Watch-“Why io.js decided to fork Node.js.” Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Mikeal Rogers.Support Sustain

Panelists Allen "Gunner" Gunn | Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer Guest Dominic Tarr Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! Our special guest today is Dominic Tarr, an open source sailor hacker person, calling from his boat in New Zealand. He’s been instrumental in the early JavaScript scene. Dominic tells us how he got into open source, coding, and how he got involved in JavaScript and Event Stream. We will also learn what Dominic is doing now and how does he envision open source going forward. How does Dominic fund his life living on a boat? Download this episode now to find out! [00:01:35] Dominic tells us how he got into open source, how he got into coding, how he ended up where he is today, and how he got involved in JavaScript. [00:06:45] Richard informs us that Dominic was in a group of influential people in Node JS who made a bunch of modules, one of them being Event Stream, which is Dominic’s. He also tells how many modules he’s written for NPM. Dominic also talks about how he initially dealt with the “fixing the bug” issues, since he was making these modules in his spare time and coding for fun. [00:10:00] Justin wants to know how Dominic got 700 modules and how did he manage it for as long as he did. [00:12:02] Richard wonders what Dominic is doing now and how does he envision open source or JavaScript going forward if it’s not fun to work on. [00:14:07] Eric wants to know if Dominic has any reflections or thoughts around the shift in the overall view of NPM over the years. [00:20:19] Richard wonders how Dominic’s funds his life because he lives on a boat. [00:24:55] Where can you find Dominic on the internet? Find out here. Spotlight [00:25:16] Eric’s spotlight is called Mind Stream. [00:25:47] Justin’s spotlight is EthGasStatio.info. [00:26:15] Gunner’s spotlight is signal desktop. [00:26:48] Richard’s spotlights are Scuttlebutt and Patchwork. [00:27:11] Dominic’s spotlight is the Project Gemini. Quotes [00:11:13] “We had this one SquatConf where we just had our own conference, and we kind of timed it with some other, like more boring conference that would fly people in and then we would be like, okay, now we’re all in this place and let’s just have our own thing.” [00:14:17] “So, for a long time, I guess before it became a corporation, I believe incorporated, before that it was very much open to everybody contribute and then it became a business, which obviously there’s good reason for it to become a business.” [00:23:13] “I’m not a terribly big fan of schemes to pay open source developers, especially the ones that are like based on some kind of charity thing. Either they’re like straight forward charity things like Gratipay, then you never got very much money or you have strings attached or something.” Links Dominic Tarr Twitter NPM Mindstream EthGasStation Signal Scuttlebutt Patchwork Project Gemini Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Dominic Tarr.Support Sustain

Panelists Pia Mancini | Richard Littauer Guest André Staltz Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! Our special guest today is André Staltz, a self-employed JavaScript wizard from Helsinki, Finland. He’s done a lot of interesting open source work and has been really instrumental in how open source funds individual developers. He tells us about his consulting job and about the great blog post he wrote. We will talk about the cost of software going to zero and what this means. Also, André tells us what he hopes to see in the future for open source. Download this episode now to find out all this and much more! [00:01:01] André fills us in about what he does, how he got started as a developer, and what kind of work he’s currently doing. [00:02:22] André tells us how he came to write his fantastic blog post, “Software Below the Poverty Line” and he goes in depth to explain what it means by open source beneath the poverty line. [00:06:50] Richard wonders if André has done any work looking at how many people in open source actually make money consulting and don’t make money from selling their open source at all. [00:09:52] Pia asks André how you make the argument of more money going into this ecosystem if the cost is going to zero and he explains. [00:16:30] André touches on something very important that’s connected with time, which is attention, which he states is something you can monetize. [00:23:48] Richard wonders if the cost of software is going down so much just because the cost of production is going down so much. [00:30:35] André tells us what he wants out of his open source work and what he’s interested in. [00:35:06] Find out where you can locate André on the internet and look at cool stuff he does. Spotlight [00:32:33] Pia’s spotlight is Crowdin, an open source solution for localization management. [00:33:19] Richard’s spotlight is Moxie Marlinspike, who got him into sailing. [00:34:17] André’s pick is a library called Neon Bindings, which allows you to bridge between Rust and Node.JS. Links André Staltz Website “Software Below the Poverty Line”-Blog post Crowdin Moxie Marlinspike Website Neon Bindings Neon Bindings-GitHub Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Special Guest: André Staltz.Support Sustain

Panelists Pia Mancini | Richard Littauer Guest Danese Cooper Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! On today’s episode, we have special guest, Danese Cooper, from her home in West Counties of Ireland. She currently works for NearForm, as VP of Special Initiatives. We will learn all about how the InnerSource Commons and Open Source are related. We find out about Danese’s last tech job at PayPal, where she started talking about InnerSource and why she moved to a remote part of Ireland with her new job. We find out about the concept of “trusted committer” and two companies that are practicing InnerSource. Also, find out why Danese said, “Open Source has won.” Download this episode now! [00:01:45] Danese gives us a bio about herself and fills us in on her job at NearForm and InnerSource Commons. [00:05:40] Richard is curious to know when Danese talked about InnerSource and Open Source being related, how do they both work together to actually sustain open source. [00:10:50] Danese talks about the “sustainability quotient” and how there are not enough practitioners of open source. [00:13:02] We hear the twenty-year old “fake stories” about why people are afraid when we talk about InnerSource and Danese tells us about the concept of “trusted committer” and what they do. [00:18:38] Danese tells us two stories about two companies that are practicing InnerSource that have been talked about publicly. [00:24:34] Pia asks Danese if she’s seen a lot of InnerSource or projects that were born in InnerSource and then they were released to the wild as successfully and she shares some stories. [00:31:49] Danese explains what she means when she said says, “Open source has won.” [00:34:54] Danese fills us in on what she’s doing now, what’s next, what’s exciting, and where to find her on the internet. Spotlight Richard’s spotlight is kalm.js.org. Danese’s spotlight is have a look at Mozilla and try to lend them some support and COVID Green App. Quotes [00:11:17] “I feel like this area of endeavor has been so generous to me, giving me a means to make a living and an interesting means to make a living for this last 35 years. I kind of owe a give back of something to make the campground better than I found it and I think that is InnerSource.” [00:11:35] “Getting those poor 85% out of the salt mines and helping companies modernize now, because in another ten years they won’t be able to hire people that don’t expect transparency. So, they are going to have to figure it out, but if they figure it out now for the right reasons, they have a better chance of being in a good position to accept those new workers when that’s all you can hire.” [00:32:23] “There would be no Google if there was not Linux, period, full stop. It would not exist because their cost of acquisition for that kernel and their ability to modify it to their needs meant that they could optimize better than AltaVista, which was the search engine of choice before there was Google.” Links Danese Cooper Twitter InnerSource Commons kalm Mozilla Ford Foundation-2020 Digital Infrastructure Research RFP COVID Green App-GitHub Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Ad Sales by Eric Berry Special Guest: Danese Cooper.Support Sustain

Sponsored by: Panelists Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer Guest Shurui Zhou Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! On today’s episode, we have special guest, Shurui Zhou, who is going to be teaching soon at University of Toronto in the Fall, and she’s been working on Forks on GitHub. Our topic today is Social vs. Hard Forks. We will learn all about the difference between the Social and Hard forks, Shurui’s GitHub Bot she wrote, and her paper she wrote on “Identifying Features in Forks.” Also, Jenkins, previously known as Hudson, an open source continuous integration tool, is explained and why it is such a success story in terms of hard forks. Download this episode now! [00:01:31] Shurui tells us about her PhD Thesis which is on Forks. [00:02:51] Richard wonders what Shurui means when she said she tried to merge together different forks. She also tells us where she got her initial forks from that she was trying to merge and where the initial database was seeded from. [00:05:57] Richard wants to know without the domain knowledge of a maintainer does Shurui find it difficult to figure out what is going on. Also, has she seen any frustrations from maintainers? She wrote a GitHub Bot that she talks about. [00:10:42] Shurui tells us about a future work that was super interesting which is how we can identify the intention behind this work. She mentions the paper they published on 2018 on “Identifying Features in Forks” and talks about the difference in hard fork and social fork. [00:13:11] One thing that caught Justin’s attention is that 290 projects on GitHub are rejected to “redundant development” and Shurui explains what this means. [00:17:00] Richard wonders if Shurui has run across this phenomenon of someone being the only maintainer and being a selfish person wanting all the stars and is this a common thing. [00:19:04] Richard wants to know how Shurui is dealing with the political side of things. [00:20:04] Shurui talks about the project she was referring to which is a repository. Richard wonders how many hard forks she’s found where it’s just some company that wants to do something, versus a group of community members who are interested in building out a feature and having it go in a different direction. Also, how many times do you see a company decide we need to have this under our own wheelhouse and fork it and them develop independently without going back? She brings up the Hudson and Jenkins story. [00:26:22] Richard asks Shurui if she’s tried making forks. [00:29:00] Shurui tells us where we can find her on the internet and how can we learn more about her research. Spotlight [00:30:14] Justin’s spotlight is he’s rescuing a Golden Doodle puppy and go to YouTube for dog training videos. [00:30:45] Richard’s spotlight is the Library of Babel. [00:31:26] Shurui’s spotlights are two repositories on GitHub, Marlin and Smoothieware, and she wants to thank her collaborators and her PhD advisor. Quotes [00:08:16] “The maintainer will go through the code and with the description all together in the mail and to decide whether we want to merge it or not.” [00:10:55] “One of the future works I think that was super interesting is how we can identify the intention behind this work.” [00:11:19] “And we actually define these kinds of forks as social forks because people create forks and maybe their goal is to merge back.” [00:11:30] “We found out there are two types of forks and we define forks that create a fork and going to a different direction and never come back we defined this as a hard fork, and we define the GitHub style fork as a social fork.” [00:12:26] “We have seen some requests happening in one community and have been submitted three years later, exactly the same feature.” [00:12:46] “I know the title to this podcast. It is going to be social vs hard fork with Shurui.” [00:17:00] “But, if I were to hard fork it, I would lose all the watchers, all the stars, and I was signaled to every single one of those people that I’m kind of a selfish guy who wants stars.” [00:17:55] “They don’t want people to hard fork and to fragment the community and go to a different direction.” [00:19:22] “I’m not dealing with the political side, but what I’m trying to do is to just raise awareness of what’s happening with different forks.” [00:21:19] “Jenkins was a hard fork off of Hudson because that’s the people after Oracle… and they want to maintain or keep the Hudson project within their pocket.” [00:24:09] “One thing we’ve studied to compare the difference between the hard fork and social fork before and after GitHub, is maybe before GitHub people create a fork, they have already the intention of going to a different direction to fragment the community.” Links Shurui Zhou Twitter** ** Shurui Zhou- University of Toronto, Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering “Identifying Features in Forks”-Shurui Zhou “Identifying Redundancies in Fork-based Development”-Shurui Zhou Dog Training 101: How to Train ANY DOG the Basics-YouTube Library of Babel Marlin-GitHub Smoothieware-GitHub Credits Produced by Richard Litauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Ad Sales by Eric Berry Support Sustain

Sponsored by: Panelists Eric Berry | Richard Littauer Guest Tom Callaway Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! On today’s episode, we have special guest, Tom Callaway, currently working at AWS, but previously at Red Hat for almost twenty years, doing pretty much every job they had. We will find out all about Red Hat and all the positions Tom held there. We will also learn why Red Hat was the right people, the right place, at the right time, with the right seed funding to get it done. How did Red Hat figure out how to compete meaningfully and how did they deliver value above and beyond the bits? Tom has stories to tell and advice to share. Download this episode now to find out this and much more! [00:01:40] Tom tells us what he did before working for AWS and how he started at Red Hat. [00:03:58] Richard asks Tom what some of the main changes are that he has seen and how it’s affected things. [00:09:23] Eric wants to know from Tom at what point when he was working at Red Hat, did everybody start believing that maybe this is something, maybe this can survive, and this will become something huge. He tells us one of the big things that impacted Red Hat early on. [00:14:30] Richard wants to know how Red Hat pitched to developers that they want to get this and how did they pitch up to their managers. [00:16:53] Tom fills us in on the strategy that has been worked successfully for Red Hat. [00:19:12] Red Hat seemed to lead the charge in making open source a core part of the company and the culture. Tom tells us what it was like working with a company that had that type of focus giving back to the community. [00:24:35] Richard is curious to know if there was any time when things didn’t work well at Red Hat and competition got out of hand and being in the open, ended up screwing over something. [00:29:25] Richard asks Tom what he would say to developers who have something and then want to go out and make something out of it and does he think there’s models outside of sticking with large open source companies to sustainability live a middle-class life. Tom gives some awesome stories and advice here. [00:40:54] Tom tells us where we can find him on the internet. Spotlight [00:41:50] Eric’s spotlight is developers.redhat.com. [00:42:54] Richard’s spotlight is a small project called Vesper by Harold Mills. [00:44:20] Tom’s spotlight is OctoPrint. Quotes [00:05:24] “When I joined Red Hat there was no semblance of a reasonable business model at all. We made more money selling hats on our website than we did selling software.” [00:20:01] “One of the things that’s unique about Red Hat is the employment contracts are structured in a way such that they explicitly say Red Hat doesn’t own the open source work that you do. You own it. You can go out and do whatever you want.” [00:22:50] “And I was able to just by being curious and by being passionate, move into roles all the way up into the CTO’s office.” [00:31:39] “I think you have to be willing to have the freedom to be open.” [00:32:10] “If you write amazing software and you can never apply it in a real-world scenario, your company will die. If you cannot figure out how to compete meaningfully with the software, it does not matter how good it is, your company will die.” Links Tom Callaway Twitter AWS Raspberry Pi Hacks: Tips & Tools for Making Things with the Inexpensive Linux Computer by Ruth Suehle and Tom Callaway Red Hat Red Hat Developer Harold Mills/Vesper OctoPrint Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Ad Sales by Eric Berry Special Guest: Tom "Spot" Calloway.Support Sustain

Sponsored by: Panelists Allen "Gunner" Gunn | Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer Guest Nadia Eghbal Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! Today, we have special guest. Nadia Eghbal, a writer and researcher, works for Substack, and has a new book out which we will be talking about today! We discuss Nadia’s book, what it’s all about, why she wrote it, and why Eric refers to it as the “Open Source Bible.” She also talks about the report she did called, “Roads and Bridges,” published by the Ford Foundation. Find out why she has been called the “Open Source Archaeologist.” Download this episode now! [00:01:43] Nadia tells us all about her book, what it’s about, and why she wrote it. [00:02:56] Justin asks Nadia what her expectations were of writing her report, Roads and Bridges. [00:05:01] Eric mentions a talk Nadia gave a few years back, and she used a “lobster” reference throughout it, so he wonders what her motivation was behind going so deep into creating a legacy of documentation and knowledge that very few people in the world have. [00:09:16] Richard brings up Mike McQuaid’s sticker funds and Nadia brings up an example of this. [00:11:40] Eric talks about Nadia’s book which he refers to as the “Open Source Bible,” and Gunner adds his viewpoint as well. [00:13:24] Gunner asks Nadia if this book leads to actions and does she have any thoughts about what actions she would like it to lead to on the part of readers. [00:15:36] Gunner has an archaeology question for Nadia and is curious to know if she has reflected on the idea that when you’re not downloading, when you’re not installing the idea of a license or the idea of a piece of technology, being more community created, as a more abstract or removed concept. [00:17:52] Justin brings up a previous podcast guest, Matt Asay from AWS, talking about Amazon working hand in hand with Redis and all these other open source companies, and he asks Nadia what she thinks about this. [00:22:03] Richard is curious to know what to do with projects that don’t have a charismatic leader where it hasn’t focused on who they are, which may have really good documentation. Is there any hope for any of those projects or they doomed to just continually wither and run out of steam? Nadia gives us the run down. [00:27:28] Richard wants to know what Nadia is doing at Sub Stack that is so interesting to her and following the research that you’ve learned from this book, why there? She tells us why she wrote the book. [00:32:37] Justin mentions a book he read called, Hate Inc. by Matt Taibbi, who has a Sub Stack thing. This is a great read! ☺ [00:35:08] Richard wants to know how Nadia can help people who write low-level software projects, who don’t have the power or the means or they are shy. What can we do to help those people? [00:38:22] Nadia tells us where you can find her on the internet, where you can find her book, and work. Spotlight [00:39:02] Gunner’s spotlight is Gosh science. [00:37:27] Justin’s spotlight is Nadia’s book, Working in Public (real world version). [00:39:30] Eric’s spotlight is also Nadia’s book, Working in Public and a quote from the book. [00:41:32] Richard’s spotlight is the concept of Antilibraries. [00:42:25] Nadia’s spotlight is Brendon Schlagel’s anti-library. Quotes [00:11:39] “I think what we’re seeing happen in all of this is we’re working toward building a shared vocabulary of the universe of this ecosystem, where each project is going to have its own arcane vocabulary over time.” [00:17:49] “Depending on who you talk to, the term open source just means so many things to different people.” Links Nadia Eghbal Website Nadia Eghbal Twitter Nadia Eghbal Linux Conf AU 2017- Consider the Maintainer (YouTube) Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal Substack Gathering for Open Science Hardware (GOSH) Antilibraries Hate Inc: Why Today’s Media Makes Us Despise One Another by Matt Taibbi Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Rebase.fm Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Ad Sales by Eric Berry Special Guest: Nadia Eghbal.Support Sustain

Sponsored by: Panelists Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer Guest Kevin Owocki Gitcoin Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! Today, we have special guest, Kevin Owocki, founder of Gitcoin. We find out what Gitcoin does and what’s changed with it in the past couple of years. Some other topics we discuss are Quadratic Funding (QF), a hot new thing called DeFi, Ethereum, Blockchain, and Downtown Stimulus in Boulder, CO. Download this episode now to find out this and much more! [00:01:27] Kevin tells us what Gitcoin does, what he’s doing there, and what’s changed in the past couple of years. [00:03:43] The hot new thing is “DeFi.” Kevin explains what this is. Richard wonders if there’s any way to make some sort of mutual funds out of all the different dollars, out of all the different major currencies that you can actually stabilize and cross them. [00:05:54] Richard wonders if the currencies have shifted in this stable currency market and has that affected DAI and Gitcoin in any way, and has Kevin seen less percentages going out because the current downturn in the global economy at all. [00:07:44] Eric brings us economic struggle and he wants to know Kevin’s perspective on blockchain and if they’ve stepped up. Does this whole process make people think that we need to have more control over the structure of our economy? [00:12:44] Kevin answers a question about maintainer’s views on providing quality or quantity on contributions. We also find out how much money has flown through Gitcoin’s platform. [00:15:39] Eric asks Kevin, since there is a lot of money pumping through Gitcoin’s platform and the intention is to sustain open source, is that focusing on blockchain projects now and does he see this type of technology or this idea moving into more of a global landscape with all sorts of projects? Downtown Stimulus in Boulder, CO is also mentioned. [00:19:52] Kevin explains what QF is. We also find out how QF can be gamed. [00:32:41] If you are a maintainer, and you want to get involved in Quadratic Funding, find out here how to get involved. [00:34:50] Kevin tells us how people can go about from nothing to doing stuff with Quadratic Funding, using Ethereum, using Gitcoin, or learning about DAI, if they don’t know anything right now. [00:36:12] Kevin tells us where we can find more about him online. Spotlight [00:37:34] Justin’s spotlight is inspired by Dave Gandy, Episode 41, a weight loss app called NOOM. [00:38:11] Eric’s spotlight is Kevin’s magnificent mane and the shampoo he uses. [00:39:10] Richard’s spotlight is Awesome Remote Job-a repo run by Lukasz Madon. [00:39:57] Kevin’s spotlight is Ethereum. Quotes [00:13:23] “One of the things she said was, even when contributors are coming to these repos is that they’re not providing quality contributions. And if they do, then they’re like drive by contributions and they don’t come back and they don’t promote to maintainers.” [00:23:37] “If you push the power out to the edges and you let your community decide what to find, not only does that push the decision out to the edges, the Ethereum Foundation gets to measure which projects their community cares about. The community co-funds the projects along with them and they can fund a thousand projects per quarter or ten thousand projects per quarter instead of just 10-20. [00:41:25] “And so, I’m really excited about what Ethereum is doing and I want an Ether-binge. You should check it out!” Links Kevin Owocki Website Kevin Owocki Twitter Kevin Owocki Gitcoin Gitcoin Funding Open Source With Gitcoin-Devchat.tvhttps://devchat.tv/sustain-our-software/sos-014-funding-open-source-with-gitcoin/ Downtown Stimulus Gitcoinco Quadratic Funding-GitHub DeFi Ethereum Awesome Remote Job-Lukasz Madon Sustain Podcast – Episode 41 Noom Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Rebase.fm Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Kevin Owocki.Support Sustain

Panelists Eric Berry | Justin Dorfman | Richard Littauer Guest Amanda Brock OpenUK Andrew Katz Orcro Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! Today, we have two special guests from the UK, Amanda Brock and Andrew Katz. Amanda is CEO of the UK body for “open” and OpenUK. Andrew is a lawyer working for a small boutique consulting firm that does open source things. We are discussing contact tracing apps and how they are going. We will find out how Amanda built her team when she was at Canonical. Then we will find out all about OpenUK and OpenUK KidsCamp, and the MINI-MU Glove, which is the coolest things ever! Andrew tells us about open hardware, Open-Silicon, open source licensing, and research he is doing. Download this episode now to learn more! [00:01:06] Alex and Amanda tell us how they know each other and what they are working on. [00:02:30] Since Alex and Amanda are both involved in contact tracing apps, which are coming out right now, they talk a bit about the British effort there and how it’s going. [00:06:38] Justin is curious and wants Amanda to tell us when working at Canonical, the day to day for a lawyer just coming into the organization that was shaking things up in the Linux world and just the open source world, what did she do and how did she build the team. She also talks about the Dell deal when Dell started putting Ubuntu on their laptops for context, which was the first thing she worked on. [00:10:54] Andrew turns the table and asks Amanda how it felt and how did you adapt to dealing with changes in negotiation dynamic changes. Richard asks how has that fueled your work with OpenUK and how do you feel that experience has allowed you to go forth and work there and what are your goals? [00:15:24] Amanda talks about what OpenUK does and she tells us more about OpenUK KidsCamp, which their goal is have it running by 2022. She talks about the “MINI-MU Glove.” What a cool thing! (kit linked below.) [00:22:41] Justin goes back to Canonical and wants to know what went wrong with Ubuntu phone. Andrew tells us how his experience has been working with open hardware. Andrew also lets us know of some other open hardware projects other than what he’s working on. He explains what Open-Silicon is. [00:30:17] Eric wants to know what challenges Andrew is seeing with open source licensing and does he feel there is a certain amount of pressure or necessity for you to push and determine these different licenses that should exist. Also, what’s the goal of the research he’s been doing. [00:35:41] Richard is amazed by the level of hardware hack that seems to go on in Britain, like RepRap, and he asks Andrew if he has any thoughts on why they are further along. [00:39:27] Amanda tells us where we could find them and where can we read about the work that’s going on and she tells us about her book. [00:45:40] Eric has one last question for Amanda and Alex and asks them why do they think that these countries are not wanting to open source their research and their findings in order to help us reach our goal of everybody can go back to school and work? They tell us their thoughts on this. Spotlight [00:42:18] Justin’s spotlight is Sia.tech by NebulousLabs, [00:42:43] Eric’s spotlight is our amazing editors for this podcast at Peachtree Sound. ☺ [00:44:01] Richard’s spotlight is strangeparts.com. [00:44:35] Andrew’s spotlight is CERN Open Hardware Licence. [00:45:07] Amanda’s has two spotlights: OpenRan and LibreOffice. Quotes [00:31:56] The most interesting part of the research has been talking to people, you know, who are well understood, who are very prominent in this area, and understanding their different viewpoints.” [00:37:20] “With Brexit, it made me sort of focus a bit more on what was happening.” Links Amanda Brock Twitter  OpenUK Twitter OpenUK Linkedin OpenUK OpenUK GitHub Andrew Katz Twitter Andrew Katz Linkedin Canonical OpenUK Kids Camp MINI.MU Glove Kit RepRap Sia.tech Peachtree Sound Strange Parts CERN Open Hardware Licence OpenRAN LibreOffice article Open Tech Reponse Moorcrofts Corporate Law-“CERN Open Hardware Licence 2.0 Andrew Katz presents, ahead of the official release.” Free and Open Source Software: Policy, Law, and Practice (second edition to be released August 2020) Credits Produced by Justin Dorfman Rebase.fm Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound Special Guests: Amanda Brock and Andrew Katz.Support Sustain