

Sounds of SAND
Science and Nonduality
Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being
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Jan 8, 2026 • 1h 1min
Dispatches Through the Rubble: Haidar Eid & Ashira Darwish
From a recent SAND Community Gathering (December 2025). This urgent conversation, facilitated by Ashira Darwish and rooted in Haidar Eid’s new book Banging on the Walls of the Tank, moves through the fractured present of Gaza, bringing forth a chorus of resistance, mourning, refusal, and clarity.
This is a dispatch from within the rubble, the classroom, the lull between airstrikes. Together. Eid and Darwish hold the line inside the unbearable: the grief of ongoing genocide and the insistence on liberation; the impossibility of hope and the necessity of imagining otherwise.
Their conversation refuses erasure, insists on dignity, and carries the clarity of those living under siege with purpose and memory intact.
This conversation carries the vibration of Gaza’s resistance outward, inviting listeners not just to witness, but to respond.
Topics
00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks
00:58 Context of the Gaza Genocide
02:23 Introducing Haidar Eid and Ashira Darwish
02:32 Haidar Eid's Background and Experience
03:19 Ashira Darwish's Introduction and Role
05:42 Haidar Eid's Personal Account of the Genocide
07:17 The Impact of the Genocide on Haidar's Life
09:51 Tribute to Fallen Colleagues and Students
11:55 The Importance of Palestinian Narratives
14:57 Historical Context and Ongoing Genocide
27:34 The Human Cost and Personal Stories
29:00 Protecting Stories and Dignity
29:40 Understanding Israeli Society and Zionism
32:33 The Role of International Support
34:08 The BDS Movement and Palestinian Civil Society
35:47 The Call for Global Solidarity
43:18 Banging on the Walls of the Tank
53:12 A Shift in the Global Narrative
58:17 Final Thoughts and Call to Action
Resources
Project Hope Palestine
Catharsis Holistic Healing Palestine
BDS Movement
Ashira Darwish’s Website
Where Olive Trees Weep
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Dec 30, 2025 • 2h 11min
Threshold Voices: Sounds of SAND 2025
This final episode of 2025 reflects on a year of transitions and healing, focusing on themes of intergenerational trauma, collective grief, and social justice, especially in the context of the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Through diverse voices including Dr. Gabor Maté, Naomi Klein, Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Ashira Darwish, Omid Safi, Kazu Haga, and others, the episode delves into personal and collective fields of healing. It emphasizes the importance of remembering, ritualizing healing, community action, indigenous knowledge, and a para-politics of grief and relationship. The episode also highlights the significance of interconnectedness, resilience, and the continuous effort towards justice and transformation.
Topics and Speakers
00:00 Introduction and Year in Review
02:03 Minds Under Siege: Dr. Gabor Mate and Naomi Klein
17:38 We Will Not Look Away: Vigil for Gaza with Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Ashira Darwish and Omid Safi
37:33 Fierce Vulnerability: Kazu Haga
46:16 Belonging Without Othering: john a. powell
50:51 The Limits of Solution-Driven Thinking: Bayo Akomolafe
55:47 Complexity and Phase Transitions: Jeremy Lent
01:02:03 Intergenerational Trauma and Healing: Jungwon Kim and Linda Thai
01:18:40 Generational Trauma and Community Healing: Dr. Thema Bryant
01:23:16 Decolonizing Therapy and Ancestral Healing: Dr. Jennifer Mullan
01:26:30 Indigenous Perspectives on Colonization and Wellbeing: Dr. Diana Kopua, Tina Ngata and Mark Kopua
01:40:30 Plant Medicine and Connection to Nature: Donna Kerridge
01:53:07 Grief, Ritual, and Communal Healing: Orland Bishop and Francis Weller
02:02:39 Presence and Receptive Awareness: John J. Prendergast
02:09:26 Conclusion and Membership Invitation
Links
Naomi Klein
Dr. Gabor Maté
Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb
Omid Safi
Kazu Haga
john a. Powell
Bayo Akomolafe
Jeremy Lent
Jungwon Kim
Linda Thai
Dr. Thema Bryant
Dr. Jennifer Mullan
Te Kurahuna (Mark and Dr. Diana Kopua)
Tina Ngata
Francis Weller
Orland Bishop
John Prendergast
Where Olive Trees Weep
The Eternal Song (Film series and course)
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Dec 11, 2025 • 50min
Engaged Contemplation: Father Adam Bucko
Father Adam Bucko, an Episcopal priest and leader in the new monastic movement, shares his transformative journey from Poland's resistance against totalitarianism to empowering marginalized youth in the U.S. and India. He discusses the profound role of heartbreak in spiritual growth, emphasizing that true contemplation must embrace grief alongside love. Father Adam advocates for acknowledging historical injustices by the church and highlights the importance of community rhythms in sustaining social justice activism and engaged spirituality.
Dec 4, 2025 • 1h 1min
Therapy Is Not Neutral: Dr. Jennifer Mullan & Iya Affo
A Decolonial Invitation to Remember, Relearn, and Resist
From a live SAND Community Gathering (November 2025) a live conversation with Dr. Jennifer Mullan & Iya Affo.
Their discussion emphasizes the importance of ancestral wisdom, collective healing, and the decolonization of therapeutic practices. Dr. Mullan shares her personal journey of reconciling traditional healing methods with modern therapy and explores the impact of historical and intergenerational trauma. The conversation also highlights the significance of land, lineage, and community in the healing process, and addresses the ways in which therapy can be transformed to be more inclusive and effective for diverse populations.
Dr. Mullan shares from her journey of calling therapists into a politicized practice—one rooted in responsibility, reverence, and collective liberation. The conversation challenges clinicians to confront their training, interrogate their privilege, and participate in the sacred labor of relearning.
Topics
00:00 Welcome and Introductions
00:30 Honoring Ancestral Wisdom
01:54 Introducing Iya Affo
04:23 Meet Dr. Jennifer Mullan
05:22 The Non-Neutrality of Therapy
10:39 Decolonizing Therapy: A Deep Dive
14:33 Therapy and Boundaries
27:42 The Historical Impact on Therapy
31:24 Shining a Light on Hidden History
31:55 Finding Safe Spaces for Vulnerability
32:21 Therapeutic Contexts and Trauma
33:45 Bridging and Reciprocity in Healing
37:04 Colonial Soul Wound and Historical Trauma
39:39 Reclaiming Ancestral Pathways
42:25 Decolonizing Therapy for All
45:43 Healing Across Layered Dimensions
54:50 Embracing Sacred Rage and Grief
58:25 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Nov 27, 2025 • 1h 25min
Trauma Healing: Gabor Maté, Judy Atkinson, Patricia June Vickers, Diana Kopua, Del Laverdure
In a thought-provoking discussion, Judy Atkinson, an Indigenous Australian practitioner, shares insights on healing colonial trauma. Patricia June Vickers, an artist and psychotherapist, blends modern trauma techniques with ancestral wisdom. Māori psychiatrist Diana Kopua emphasizes the importance of land in wellness, critiquing Western trauma narratives. Del Laverdure, a Crow Nation leader, highlights community-based healing practices. The panel explores storytelling's power, the role of ceremony, and practical steps for healing intergenerational wounds.
Nov 20, 2025 • 1h 2min
Radical Symbiosis: Cara Judea Alhadeff
Dr. Cara Judea Alhadeff discusses her work and the profound ideas in her book Zazu Dreams: Between the Scarab and the Dung Beetle, A Cautionary Fable for the Anthropocene Era. She explores themes of dream consciousness, cultural and ecological extinction, radical symbiosis, and the concept of apocalyptic parenting as a strategy for social justice and ecological ethics, an antidote to petroleum parenting. The discussion digs into the interdisciplinary ties found in her stories, her collaborative projects, and the communal effort in creating sustainable futures. Dr. Alhadeff also shares her real-life experiences of living for almost a decade in a reclaimed school bus, 'The Love Bus', exemplifying the principles of radical mothering, reuse, collective creativity, and joy amidst systemic challenges.
Dr. Cara Judea Alhadeff is a professor and author of dozens of books and articles on art, philosophy, sexuality, climate justice, life-passion activism, and "petroleum parenting," including the critically-acclaimed Zazu Dreams: Between the Scarab and the Dung Beetle, A Cautionary Fable for the Anthropocene Era, and Viscous Expectations: Justice, Vulnerability, The Ob-scene. Alhadeff’s forthcoming book, Unlearning What We Think We Know (Vernon Press), will be performed during the World Affairs Conference. Her photographs/ performance videos are in private and public collection,s including San Francisco MoMA, MoMA Salzburg, Austria, the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender, and Reproduction, and include collaborations with international choreographers, composers, poets, sculptors, architects, and scientists. She has been interviewed by The New York Times, San Francisco Chronicle, Pacifica Radio, NPR, and the New Art Examiner. Alongside Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Vandana Shiva, Alhadeff received the Random Kindness Community Resilience Leadership Award, 2020. In 2022, Alhadeff was nominated for a MacArthur Fellowship. Her theoretical and visual work is the subject of documentaries for international public television/ radio. A former professor of Critical Pedagogy & Performance at UC Santa Cruz and Founder of Radical Art in Action, Alhadeff teaches, performs, and parents a creative-zero-waste life. She and her family live and perform in their eco-art installation, a repurposed school bus. www.carajudeaalhadeff.com
Topics
00:00 Introduction to Dr. Cara Judea Alhadeff
01:35 Exploring 'Zazu Dreams'
04:01 Dreams and Cultural Extinction
06:08 Fractal Democracy and Radical Art
08:39 Sensory Consciousness and Neuroaesthetics
14:50 Interconnected Oppressions and Emancipation
28:05 Ancestral Lineage and Multiculturalism
34:00 Exploring Automatic Behaviors and Consciousness
34:50 Interbeing and Consumer Decisions
36:35 The Impact of Privilege and Capitalist Norms
38:06 Radical Symbiosis and Cultural Conditioning
39:21 Eco-Spirituality and Political Awareness
41:18 Apocalyptic Parenting and Deep Noticing
48:01 The Love Bus: A Journey of Reuse and Respect
54:40 Adapting to Change and Collective Creativity
57:55 Conclusion: Embracing Art and Language
Resources:
Dr. Cara Judea Alhadeff’s Website
ZAZU DREAMS: Between the Scarab and the Dung Beetle, A Cautionary Fable for the Anthropocene Era by Dr. Cara Judea Alhadeff
Zazu Dreams book-to-film animation adaptation
Fractal Flourishing: Jeremy Lent (Sounds of SAND Podcast)
Arab Jewish Mysticism: Hadar Cohen (Sounds of SAND Podcast)
Quantum Listening: IONE (Sounds of SAND Podcast)
Deep Listening: Pauline Oliveros
5Rhythms Dance
Rural Studio: Samuel Mockbee and an architecture of decency
Thrutopian Dreams: Manda Scott (Sounds of SAND Podcast)
An Ecotopian Lexicon edited by Schneider-Mayerson and Bellamy
Challenging Petroleum Parenting
Decolonizing Motherhood
Empire of Normality: Neurodiversity and Capitalism by Robert Chapman
Viscous Expectations: Justice, Vulnerability, The Ob-scene by cara judea Alhadeff
The Love Bus: Beauty & Waste In the Face of Climate Crisis
Facing Apocalyspe by Catherine Keller
Benjamin Lay: The first Revolutionary Quaker Abolitionist
Cara Judea Alhadeff, PhD, Promiscuous Crossings (Substack)
Email Cara
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Nov 13, 2025 • 51min
Trauma in a Time of Collapse: Kazu Haga
What does it mean to stay tender in times of unraveling?
In this live SAND Community Gathering (November 2025), SAND co-founders, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo spend the hour with activist and author Kazu Haga. This conversation invites us into a collective inquiry about healing, justice, and the radical courage of vulnerability. Drawing from his work on restorative justice and Kingian nonviolence, Haga explores how compassion can live alongside grief, anger, and collapse—not as escape or appeasement, but as a disciplined, relational practice of staying with the pain of the world.
Topics:
00:00 Introduction and Welcoming Remarks
00:44 Introducing Kazu and His Work
04:08 Understanding Fierce Vulnerability
06:43 The Great Turning and Collective Healing
10:50 Non-Violence and Social Movements
17:13 Spiritual Practice and Activism
24:22 Anger, Rage, and Non-Violence
26:40 Personal Stories and Reflections
28:57 Sowing Seeds of Change
29:56 The Power of Vulnerability
31:33 Healing Through Non-Violence
38:55 The Concept of Negative Peace
47:48 Living in Community
49:45 Final Thoughts and Gratitude
Resources:
Kazu Haga's Website
Fierce Vulnerability
Canticle Farm
The Eternal Song (film series by SAND)
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Nov 6, 2025 • 46min
Tending the Threshold: Bayo Akomolafe
Recorded live at The Eternal Song Seven Day Film Premiere Gathering.
In this episode, hosts Maurizio and Zaya engage in deep conversation with Yoruba philosopher and post-humanist thinker Bayo Akomolafe. In this episode, Bayo shares a Yoruba creation myth involving the Orishas, highlighting the importance of flow and memory. He reflects on his journey as a psychologist in Nigeria and critiques the political dimensions of healing. The dialogue also touches on the limits of modernity, the significance of wounds in creating new worlds, and the interconnectedness of all living beings. Bayo’s insights invite listeners to reconsider traditional notions of clarity, identity, and safety, promoting a deeper, more fluid understanding of existence as it weaves into narratives of The Eternal Song.
Watch this full conversation and 40+ more The Eternal Song film series and All-Access Pass with from our 7-day gathering with Elders and knowledge keepers
Topics
00:00 Introduction and Greetings
00:46 Introducing Bayo Akomolafe
02:13 A Yoruba Creation Story
06:50 Reflections on Healing
12:49 Decolonization and Human Ecology
20:32 The Complexity of Solutions
22:25 Chaos and Order: The Eternal Dance
22:41 The Illusion of Solutions
22:50 Climate Chaos and Moralities
23:34 The Exhaustion of Traditional Moralities
24:10 Para Politics: A New Approach
26:30 The Role of the Trickster in History
28:45 The Power of Wounds and Cracks
31:31 The Fluidity of Identity
36:52 The Origins and Evolution of Language
40:15 Christianity and Indigenous Faiths
44:15 Final Reflections and Gratitude
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Oct 30, 2025 • 1h 6min
The Medicine Story: Jungwon Kim & Linda Thai
Hosted by SAND’s Lisa Breschi Almond, this poignant discussion entitled 'War's Long Shadow Part Two: The Medicine of Story' was recorded live as a recent SAND Gathering. The show features two heartfelt stories of their first-hand accounts of post-war trauma shared by Linda Thai and Jungwon Kim. The conversation explores personal narratives of war trauma and generational grief, focusing on the Vietnam War and Korean War, respectively. Linda recounts her family’s harrowing escape from Vietnam and their struggle to resettle in Australia, while Jungwon explores her parents’ experiences and the enduring impact of the Korean War. Emphasizing the importance of storytelling, the session highlights the collective healing and emotional sobriety brought through sharing and listening to these deeply moving stories
Topics
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:55 Land and Settler Acknowledgement
02:13 Introducing the Presenters
04:16 Linda's Story: A Journey of Survival
39:31 Jungwon's Story: Generational War Trauma
01:02:30 Reflections and Closing Remarks
Resources
War’s Long Shadow, Part 1 (the first part of this conversation from early 2025)
Jung Won Kim’s Website
Linda Thai’s Website
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Oct 23, 2025 • 1h 16min
Decolonial Healing & Liberation: Dr. Thema Bryant
In this episode, SAND co-founders and hosts Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo welcome Dr. Thema Bryant, a tenured professor of psychology and former President of the American Psychological Association, to discuss holistic healing, ancestral wisdom, and collective liberation. Dr. Bryant emphasizes the importance of recognizing both individual and collective trauma, the power of storytelling, and the need for interdisciplinary approaches to wellness. The conversation explores the emotional and spiritual aspects of healing, the role of joy and grief, and the importance of community in fostering resilience and thriving. Dr. Bryant also provides practical advice on deepening relationships, finding like-minded communities, and maintaining emotional balance in the face of ongoing trauma.
Topics
00:00 Introduction and Greetings
00:53 Introducing Dr. Thema Bryant
01:20 Dr. Bryant's Background and Philosophy
03:11 Grounding Practice and Body Sovereignty
08:32 The Importance of Compassion and Presence
11:52 Intergenerational Trauma and Healing
17:15 Decolonizing and Indigenizing Healing Practices
27:00 Balancing Activism and Self-Care
34:15 Grief and Collective Healing
36:44 Cultural Differences in Grieving
37:59 The Interplay of Grief and Joy
38:28 Toxic Positivity and Spiritual Bypassing
41:07 Constructive vs. Destructive Anger
44:53 The Importance of Emotional Expression
47:03 Creating and Deepening Community Connections
51:00 Collective Healing and Liberation
01:03:13 Balancing Self-Care and Collective Care
01:11:14 Final Thoughts and Resources
Resources
Dr. Thema Bryant Dr. Thema Bryant is the author of the recently released book Matters of the Heart and the host of The Homecoming Podcast.Jaiya John
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