Inside Outside Innovation

Francesca Gino is a professor/affiliated with Harvard’s Business, Law, and Kennedy Schools. She is the author of Rebel Talent: Why It Pays to Break All the Rules in Work and in Life. She also recently published an article in Harvard Business Review on Why Curiosity Matters - The Business Case for Curiosity. Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation founder, talks with Francesca, about when rule breaking happens and what happens to people that do it successfully. Curiosity Curiosity is an important driver behind the experience of rule breaking.  We are born with lots of curiosity, but it starts declining at five years old.  When people join new jobs, they have high curiosity, but in 9 months, their curiosity has dropped 20%. What can companies do to keep that high? What can organizations do to support curiosity? - Change the mindset about what curiosity can do.  - Good for business and leaders to model behavior. Ask What if we changed … - Hard to know what outcomes of questions are. As How and What questions. Are there different ways to measure curiosity? - Intuit has innovation and failure awards (lessons learned and comes with a party). - Wake for Startups ending - A company gave 1 hr for lunch and 1 hr for culture. Then opened a library in the manufacturing plant.  Rebel Talent - People who challenge rules for positive change - Talents include curiosity, novelty, perspective, diversity, and authenticity. - You can foster each trait. Releasing a sculpture from a block. Don’t have to be born a rebel, but bring those traits out.  Can curiosity be effective in moving an organization forward?  - Thoughtfulness by leaders.  - Develop Performance Goals and Learning Goals.  Obstacles to overcome? - Leadership level. Sense of fear. If you allow for curiosity, you’ll end up in chains. Allowing curiosity says I trust you.  - Employee side - Change starts with each one of us.  How do you hire Rebels? - Pay attention to answers matching skills. E.g. - Hiring people with different perspectives than you. If you want to find out more about Francesca or her book check out rebeltalents.org. There is a FREE test, with no email required, that tells you which type of Rebel you are.  If you enjoyed this podcast, you might also enjoy: Ep. 126 – Barry O’Reilly, Author of Unlearn & Lean Enterprise Ep. 117 – Nicole Rufuku, Author of Hiring for the Innovation Economy Ep. 109 – Greg Larkin, Corporate Entrepreneur and Author of “This Might Get Me Fired” Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play.   FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

Scott Kirsner is the CEO and Editor-in-Chief of Innovation Leader. As a journalist, Scott spent his career covering how ideas in companies get commercialized. Five years ago, Scott launched Innovation Leader, a company focused on how innovation happens in big companies. Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation founder, spoke with Scott about emerging issues in corporate innovation. What innovation issues are tops for companies? - Innovation Leader Survey  - Solving bureaucracy and How to Tap Employee Ideas - Highest areas of Internal innovation interest - Startup engagement meaningful, but companies have only started their collaboration experiences. Why did corporates jump in and now are reassessing? - Corporates need results near term. - Successful companies focus on white space areas. Scout areas where startups can address problems areas. - Develop strategies to set up a proof of concept.  - Jet Ventures - Doing corporate VC. Need to be in it for 7-10 years  What toolset is being used at startups, that could be used in corporations? - Slack, GitHub, 3-D printer, landing tables, quick websites, Airtable, Coda, crowdfunding, etc.  How can the rise of new tech play out in corporate innovation? - Companies are becoming aware of how business can apply new tech. Creating comic books, videos of vision, etc. - Have more conversations and lunch and learns in your company to explain emerging tech and how the company can apply. Ask for engagement and put dots on the radar screen. - Innovation teams shouldn’t be only ones tracking new innovations. Spread far and wide in company. - Challenge of Innovation officer - change culture and training or build stuff and prototype. Execute the ideas.  What are you most excited about? - New events, research reports, magazine covering top cities around the world for corporate innovation, and awareness of best practices in big companies.  - Don’t need to start with a white paper. Lots of innovation resources available - Inside Outside Innovation podcast, Harvard podcast, Innovation Answered podcast. For more Information For more information or to connect with Scott, check out Innovationleader.com, on Twitter see @innolead and listen to Innovation Leader's Innovation Answered podcast.  If you enjoyed this podcast, you might also enjoy:  Ep. 128 – Aaron Proietti, Author of Today’s Innovator & Transamerica Innovation Champion Ep. 120 – Digital Intent’s Sean Johnson talks Corporate Innovation Strategies Ep. 118 – ExxonMobil’s Christopher Bailey and Kim Bullock on Corporate Innovation Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play.   FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. 

James Gill is founder and CEO of GoSquared, a simple, live analytics platform for websites. Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation Founder, spoke with James about product trends, design, getting close to the customer and growing a company outside the Valley. Based in London, James started GoSquared with friends, while still in school. They found success in building websites, but soon were asked how the sites were performing. Very few tools existed at the time, to answer these questions. Since then, GoSquared has created simple analytics software, on a subscription basis, for small businesses around the world. What trends are allowing you to build new things? - No code applications. - Real-time and live response.  - Everyone today wants to have an online presence or small businesses. - We always wanted to work with small businesses and integrate into similar products like Go Daddy, Wordpress, Shopify, etc - Make it as easy as possible.  How do you decide what you develop? - Everyone has a different process depending on what works for each company. Some use tons of Data. Data creates lots of confidence in decisions. - We use our insights and engage with our customers. E.g., Onboarding - Do a lot of user testing. Make it fun. We show the visitors to your website instantly. Gamification. How do you introduce new products and services? - Software is being adopted from bottom up, before senior management even knows about it.  - Solving problems wins. Trend in B to B software. See small business/startups as early adopters. - Use new tools for Corporates that don’t need IT support. Cheaper and faster.  Ability to get close to the customer. - GoSquared changed dynamics to get immediate feedback from customers.  - Test out ideas immediately. E.g., Landing pages and Payments - Zapier and Airtable. What was it like to build a tech company outside of the Valley? - We didn’t make a choice. Left school and stayed in London. Thirty-seven signals/BaseCamp inspired us.  - We build great products and tell our story and what we’ve been learning. We don’t spend much on Marketing. We share what we learn. Building trust. Sharing what we learned on our Blog.  https://www.gosquared.com/blog/ What’s Next? - Training for the London Marathon in April - Introducing Free Tier soon - More new product improvement to help customers grow. For More Information For more information on James Gill or GoSquared see gosquared.com, @GoSquared or @Jamesjgill on Twitter.  If you enjoyed this podcast, you might also enjoy:  Ep. 130 – Canopy Insight’s Victoria Gerstman on Culture’s Influence on Brands & Semiotics; Ep. 129 – Paul Jarrett of Bulu on New Trends in Collaborative Marketing; Ep. 122 – Jeff Rohrs, Yext CEO and Author of Audience: Marketing in the age of subscribers, fans and followers; Ep. 114 – Canva’s Cameron Adams on Democratization of Design; and Ep. 113 – ProfitWell founder Patrick Campbell on Growth, Pricing and SaaS Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play.   FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

Laura Anne Edwards is founder of DATA OASIS and serves as a NASA Datanaut, TED Resident and with SheCanHackIT. Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation founder, talks with Laura Anne about sustainable innovation and big data. Important Take Aways: Sustainable Innovation is Key!  - Maintain innovation over time through systems. What you are doing, who you are doing it with, and create creative collisions.  - Key elements: Know who you’ve hired. Use innovation audit to look at information flow.  - Address process changes, information flow, and awareness about how to support creativity.  What trends and tactics are useful? - Small changes in meeting schedule, office layout, what info is shared. Eg - Donut carts bring out introverts - What can you do to create intentional and organic collisions for the team. - How to change info flow to build on introverts in the room. - What is your company’s version of prototyping? - Do you have regular airing of ideas, instead of annual sharing. Appeals to extroverts and performance.  - Can’t keep doing same five things. - Look at who you have and what you are trying to do.  Have trends and tactics changed over time? - Don’t just put creativity into tech teams.  - For diversity, look at age, race, and where people come from, but go deeper. Look for different ways of thinking. Understand your people. - Product managers act as facilitators, instead of driving the product. How do you measure if the company is on the right path? - Retention of talented teams and ability to use teams to understand and be a feedback loop.  - We’ve applied industrial tactics to human assets. Need new set of processes and facilitation.  How does open data change the way we create and build new innovative ideas? - By connecting and making available the silos of open data, it solves the last mile problem.  - Apply new big algorithms and computing powers to open data. Currently there is no tracking of doctoral research.  - We don’t have a data arch. What information is most important to us? - Data Oasis creates an index of data sources and wikis. Models of gathering info around subfields. Marrying it with AI.  To find out more about Laura Anne Edwards or about Data Oasis contact her at lauraanneedwards.com, on Twitter, or through Brian Ardinger at brian@insideoutside.io.  You can also check out her TED Profile (https://www.ted.com/profiles/845) or this article on her work at NASA (https://open.nasa.gov/blog/data-discovery-mapping-nasa-dataverse/)  If you enjoyed this podcast, you might also enjoy:   Ep. 135 – Nara Logics CEO and E.N. Thompson Lecturer Jana Eggers on Artificial Intelligence’s Past and Future Ep. 130 – Canopy Insight’s Victoria Gerstman on Culture’s Influence on Brands & Semiotics Ep. 107 – Azeem Azhar, Author of “Exponential View” Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play.   FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

Ben Nelson is the CTO and Co-founder of Lambda School, a 9-month online education/training program. Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation founder, spoke with Ben about Lambda School’s disruption of the education market, the creation of an online school, and the use of an Income Share Agreement. Through an Income Share Agreement, students agree to pay back the costs of their training, once they receive a $50,000 a year job. A percentage of their income, up to $30,000, is paid back over the next two-year period. New Business Model & Trends - We started as a code boot camp. Now we’re in our own category. Competitors are changing to mimic the model. Competition doesn’t usually kill early startups. - Universities are overshooting the mark. Saddling students with big debt and students are wising up. People can get in trouble financially. - Fast tech change. People need to switch in the middle of their careers. Lambda is putting elasticity in the labor market.  - More people are moving towards portfolio work and we’re seeing job categories getting disrupted. Need new training - e.g. truck drivers. Provide a path in a new industry.  - Online can scale with more students. Lambda margins can absorb longer payback period and better instructors.  - With students graduating, income share agreements are a valuable security that debt can be borrowed against.  Y Combinator & Lambda’s Future - How can this become a billion dollar company. How do you scale the idea? - It’s a school for startups, and they teach you how to do it, with weekly investor meetings. Provides a network to fundraise. Avoid pitfalls with standardizations. - Amazon started with books. We teach software engineering now. Looking at how to expand into other areas like nursing school.  - We don’t want to focus on ed research. We’re about jobs and accessibility.  Skills and Traits Attractive to the Model & Challenges - We live in a distracting world. Ability to focus and remove distractions is essential. Lambda wants people who are hungry. It’s difficult to predict these qualities. They don’t ask for test scores.  - Lambda has a free course called Intro to programming. Through it they check student’s aptitudes. It’s an open-ended course, with no deadline. If students perform well, we can invest in them.  - We must maintain high standards, but we’re not exclusive. We want a high bar but will accept anyone willing to do the work.  - Need scalable processes for placing students. - Provide more depth and a guided job search. Remove false finish line of graduation. Your certificate is your job.  For more information about Ben and Lambda School, check out www.Lambdaschool.com.  If you enjoyed this podcast, you might also enjoy:   Ep. 93 – Natalie Fratto with Silicon Valley Bank (SVB) Ep. 69 – Slava Rubin, co-founder of Indiegogo Ep. 51 – Lucy Beard, founder of Feetz, a 3-D shoe-printing company Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play.   FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

Energize Your Company's Culture Jon Katzenbach and Gretchen Anderson are co-authors of The Critical Few: Energize Your Company's Culture by Choosing What Really Matters. They spoke with Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation founder, about why culture is important for innovation and how to tap into the behaviors and emotions that can make a significant cultural impact.  The Critical Few Their book, The Critical Few, looks at working within an organization and drawing on a company’s strengths, rather than looking at what’s not working. Lessons are written within the story of a fictional CEO, focused on a company’s culture. While there are many universal issues of culture, Jon and Gretchen recognize that all cultures are singular and unique and that people within the company impact that culture.  Traits, Behaviors, and Emotional Connectors Jon and Gretchen explain that we must identify what the cultural traits are within a company, behavior that is happening around those traits, and who the people are within the company that have their fingers on the pulse of the culture. These elements are the critical few areas that can impact culture. For example, within one large health care organization, the critical behavior was around collaboration. The company narrowed in on this behavior and found those employees doing it well. Once you understand what’s happening in culture, you can develop programs to address these areas. Ideas need to come from people doing the work.  Innovation Needs to be as Unique as your Thumbprint Critical Few also refers to the traits that have emotional sources which clients can tap into to create critical behaviors. Behavior also depends on where it’s happening within the company. Focus in on a few behaviors. Follow these traits to a few specific emotions that the company can encourage. The company is reliant on specific people who have tapped into these particular emotions. When identifying cultural traits for companies that want to be more innovative, ask yourself “What would innovation look like given who you are.” It must be how an organization already likes to behave. Innovative Companies Focus on Strategy, Operations and Culture Jon and Gretchen see relationships between companies that focus on a broader range of metrics and their ability to innovate, and companies that are less hierarchal and their ability to innovate. Companies are saying that they must approach culture with the same effort as strategy and operations. Leaders understand things are changing. Innovation is going to be easier if you also tackle culture issues. For More Information To connect with Jon and Gretchen check out https://www.strategyand.pwc.com/the-critical-few. They are also on Twitter and LinkedIn where they post new research and articles they love. If you liked this episode, you might also enjoy: - Ep. 130– Canopy Insight’s Victoria Gerstman on Culture’s Influence on Brands & Semiotics - Ep. 124 – Amy Radin, Author of The Change Maker’s Playbook & FinTech Guru - Ep. 104 – Shane Snow – Author of Dream Teams: Working Together without Falling Apart Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play.   FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

Gary Shapiro is the author of Ninja Future: Secrets to Success in the New World of Innovation and president and CEO of the Consumer Technology Association (CTA), the U.S. trade association representing more than 2,200 consumer technology companies and which owns and produces CES - The Global Stage for innovation. Gary has helped direct policymakers and business leaders on the importance of innovation in the U.S. economy. Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation Founder, talks with Gary about innovation, creativity and how to thrive in a changing marketplace. Gary initially worked as a consultant to CES, then was hired to lead the organization. He was excited to discover that the CES board was committed to allowing anyone with an idea to get exposure. This action spoke to him. Years prior, Gary was involved in a lawsuit over the VCR. He coordinated and spoke on the issue, and now sees the parallels in the video, audio, and sharing industry. Today Gary continues to fight for innovators and breakthrough technology.  Pace of Change With the pace of change accelerating, Gary sees the future in areas such as robotics, AI, self-driving cars, drones, medical, dealing with pain, etc. He’s optimistic about the future. Today, the path to corporate success is showing a broad set of skills in a variety of industries and being able to put different things together. Gary is concerned with China’s move on AI and their urbanization leading to an increase in creativity. CES Asia has been happening for five years now with a growing level of innovation.   Ninja Future Gary’s book, Ninja Future, is for people who want to understand what’s going on today and what we should expect in the future. Big companies used to have an advantage; however, they are slow to change. Startups have to adapt to survive in a rapidly changing marketplace. If you act like a ninja, you have to have flexibility to move and change quickly. Get a team that’s not like you. Ninjas are people who recognize that change is afoot. The book also includes life hacks and ideas, a tech overview, and things in Gary’s life that made a difference.  For More Information For more information or to connect with Gary see https://www.cta.tech. CES is held each January in Las Vegas.  You can also check out Gary's previous best-sellers, "Ninja Innovation: The Ten Killer Strategies of the World's Most Successful Businesses" (HarperCollins, 2013) and "The Comeback: How Innovation will Restore the American Dream" (Beaufort, 2011).  If you enjoyed this podcast, you might also enjoy: Ep. 124 – Amy Radin, Author of The Change Maker’s Playbook & FinTech Guru, Ep. 121 – Herman Miller’s Melissa Steach on Design Innovation, and Ep. 102 – Sunayna Tuteja with TD Ameritrade on FinTech Innovation. Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

Melissa Perri is the CEO of Produx Labs and Author of Escaping the Build Trap: How effective product management creates value. She believes that as companies scale, they lose track of what makes them successful and they just “ship.” Companies forget to bring products back to the overall strategy and talk with their customers. Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation Founder, talks with Melissa about getting out of the build trap and having a customer-centric culture.  Companies in the Build Trap - Software startup - Growing and trying to exit. Look for product managers early. Can get out of build trap.  - Enterprises - Haven’t scaled through software. Brings in others to be product managers. A new discipline. Struggles with build trap.  As companies scale, they are close to the customer. As they execute, they forget to talk to the customer. Athena Health developed a portal for user research with its customers.  Escaping the Build Trap Takeaways - Explains how to think about Product Management - Step-by-Step processes - Helps people understand what Product Management is and how to set it up.  - Helps managers implement a system. Product Trends - More people understand discipline - Silicon Valley thought - You own software, streamline, talk to customers, and turn ideas into business models - Agile school of thought - Product owner vs. product managers - Similar roles Product Manager Role - Has authority on how to build, and sometimes on what to build. - Teaches product managers to question why. Can the team build it in a better way? Push back. Show why it should be different. For More Information: For more information on product management or to connect with Melissa, see http://www.produxlabs.com, https://melissaperri.com or on https://twitter.com/lissijean. You can find her book, Escaping the Build Trap on Amazon. If you enjoyed this podcast, you might also enjoy: Ep. 119 – Voltage Control’s Douglas Ferguson on Inside Innovation, Ep. 99 – Ryan Jacoby with Machine & Author of Making Progress, and Ep. 90 – Teresa Torres with Product Talk. Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

Vivek Bedi has worked in both corporate and startup innovation. His experiences range from positions at Goldman Sachs, to running his own company. Now at Northwestern Mutual, Vivek is the Head of Consumer Experience, Digital Products, working in both New York and Milwaukee. Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation Founder, talks with Vivek about Northwestern Mutual's digital transformation. Vivek's team is responsible for everything digital that touches Northwestern Mutual’s 4.3 million clients. Three years ago, 150,000 of Northwestern Mutual's customers used their digital products. Today, over 1.8 million customers are engaged in the digital experience. Culture Change Northwestern Mutual is changing the culture around digital development, innovation, and collaboration. - New York had a startup culture, but Milwaukee had subject matter expertise. Both matter. How do they work together? - Pizza Pie teams - Developed small teams across two cities, tasked with one charter and putting something out every two weeks. Teams are virtual and cross-functional (product, design engineers and business) that have standup meetings every day.  - Three years ago there were 89 digital releases. Last year, there were 4,005.  - Culture has also become research and iterative, through research communities with both advisors and customers. Challenges  Vivek has had to overcome a variety of challenges, including: - Getting people to believe the new model will work. The right approach is not reading a book about Agile or Lean. - Highlighting the Pizza Pie team process as a model for other projects. Now Northwestern Mutual has 30+ teams.  - Pizza Pie teams have both a product lead and engineering lead.  - When building talent, Vivek looks for people who can bring people together, gel with groups, and understand different perspectives - Now Northwestern Mutual is trying to understand if the model can work with big systems and legacy components.  - Access to customers is a big theme in Vivek’s work. 60% of his time is spent with advisors, learning the nuances of the business, tools, and concepts. On the client side, he must design for all types of customers, including those who type, swipe, and print. For More Information Connect with Vivek on Twitter @Vivbedior http://www.vivekbedi.com If you enjoyed this podcast, you might also enjoy: If you enjoyed this podcast, you might also enjoy: Ep. 127 – Vanguard & CEC’s John Buhl on Lean Startup at Scale; Ep. 123 – Gatorade’s Xavi Cortadellas on Breakthrough Innovation ; and Ep. 42 – John Bungert with MetLife Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

Ajay Rajani is an investor, entrepreneur, and author of Navigating the shift to a ‘portfolio career’ - How we should think about our professional identities — when they’re designed to change. Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation founder, and Ajay talk about building and highlighting a portfolio career. After leading Nexxt, a digital remote accelerator that helps people take ideas and turn them into experiments, Ajay launched Mural. Mural helps people create portfolios based on skills and linked assets. It also makes it easy to curate versions of yourself for different people. Defining a Portfolio Career A portfolio career emphasizes passions, curiosity, and self-actualization. Types of jobs where a portfolio may apply: 1) Someone who wears multiple hats, 2) Someone who wears one hat, but in various contexts, 3) Someone who has different passions to highlight like copywriting and animal activist, and 4) Someone who is building a portfolio like VCs and freelancers.  Portfolio Growth The portfolio trend is increasing because we are adding new skills all the time and it’s easier to share and collaborate online. For freelancers, a portfolio helps customers understand their products, services, frameworks, and templates. It also allows freelancers to productize the services they provide and create a level of trust and fit for customers.  A Portfolio for Corporate Innovators For corporate innovators, with tons of skills and know-how, a portfolio helps to unlock and curate examples of their best work. It can highlight 5 or 6 work assets and can help innovators think through what can they replicate, what are their experience and skills, and what are they comfortable sharing.  For More Information To find out more about Mural or Ajay check out Muralapp.io/ajayrajani. If you enjoyed this podcast, you might also enjoy: If you enjoyed this podcast, you might also enjoy: Ep. 117 – Nicole Rufuku, Author of Hiring for the Innovation Economy; Ep. 93 – Natalie Fratto w/ SVB; and Ep. 48 – Founders of Nex.tt Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy