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Nick Breeze
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Nick Breeze
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Aug 3, 2021 • 17min
Centre For Climate Repair Cambridge, Dr Shaun Fitzgerald OBE | Flipping buildings from carbon source to sink
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In this episode of Shaping The Future, I am speaking with the Director of the Centre for Climate Repair in Cambridge, Dr Shaun Fitzgerald about how buildings can be adapted for climate resilience and the potential for flipping them from carbon sources to carbon sinks.
With many of the world's largest future cities yet to be built and much of the existing infrastructure in developed countries being unfit for extreme climate scenarios, it is essential that building development projects and innovation are able to meet and beat the challenges that lay ahead.
Recent extreme climate catastrophes demonstrate that we need to start adapting to climate change right now and at scale. The theme of adaptation planning is one that I will be exploring more in the coming weeks.
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Jul 30, 2021 • 27min
Arctic Briefing | Sir David King Interview | Climate Crisis Advisory Group
In this episode of Shaping The Future, I am speaking with former UK Government Chief Science Advisor, Sir David King. Sir David has recently set up the Climate Crisis Advisory Group (CCAG) to respond with agility to the real-time climate crisis.
The first report is linked in the notes and focuses on the Arctic as a key regulator of global climate stability and more recently, chaotic disruption.
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Key points:
Jet Stream Omega Event
Johanne Rockstrum: Arctic tipping point has passed.
Are accelerating impacts at risk of outpacing action?
Scientists have mismanaged the modelling of climate change events.
Greenland ice sheet is sitting in warm air and losing ice rapidly.
We are not prepared for what we are currently seeing!
We need a UN Security Council For Climate Change.
Our future as a civilisation depends on a rapid response to the situation.
UK Policy on China: Timing-wise it could not be worse! The EU, China and US are all talking together.
Greenhouse Gas Removal: Build up oceans to what they used to be and we could absorb 30-40 billion tonnes per annum.
Refreezing the Arctic: If we don’t manage this we are cooked!
The CCAG Report is for Governments, Businesses and Financial operations. The time for action is now!
Sir David discusses the mantra they are trying to get into the mainstream consciousness of climate action: Reduce, Remove and Repair. The message is clear that climate is now the main issue threatening our civilisation across the globe.
We are now crossing tipping points and the time rapid scaled up action is now.
Sir David also suggests the creation of a UN Security Council for Climate Change to deal specifically with the international efforts of nations and regions to tackle arising issues. This connects to my interview next week with NATO and US Government Security Advisor on Climate Change, Chad Briggs.
Next week I will also be talking to Dr Shaun Fitzgerald OBE, Director of the Centre for Climate Repair in Cambridge about how we need to flip our building infrastructure from a massive carbon source to carbon sink. This includes existing buildings and the colossal amount that needs to be built with resilience around the world to weather the tide of climate adversity.
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Jul 27, 2021 • 25min
Facing The Future | Climate Psychology + Deep Adaptation
In this episode of Shaping The Future, I am speaking with Adrian Tait, co-founder of the Climate Psychology Alliance about his contribution to the new Deep Adaptation book.
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This newly published volume edited by and contributed to by Jem Bendell and Rupert Read includes an updated version of the original Deep Adaptation paper as well input from a total of 20 contributors across a range of fields that deal with issues related to Deep Adaptation and the subject of collapse.
Deep Adaptation, with its subheader of ‘Navigating The Realities of Climate Chaos’ is divided into 3 parts: The Predicament, Shifts In Being and Shifts In Doing.
Adrian’s contribution gives a broad overview of the evolving field of climate psychology, including the symptoms of distress and denial assisting us to recognise and empathise when we detect them in peers and/or colleagues.
Deep Adaptation covers a range of subjects including the future of activism, leadership, the study of collapse itself and related ideas. It is itself a starting point to explore themes around feeling, assimilating and responding to systemic as well as ecological collapse.
This subject of this book contrasts and compliments another book that will be published later this year titled ‘The Fight For Climate After COVID-19’ by Alice Hill. Alice has previously served as special assistant to President Barack Obama and senior director for resilience policy on the National Security Council staff and will be discussing her new book here in late August just ahead of publication.
Thank you for listening to Shaping The Future. You can now see the full archive of episodes at GENN.cc along with the archive of interviews and footage recorded at the last 5 COP’s.
As we prepare for COP26 in Glasgow, it is worth considering that the climate threats anticipated 30 years ago at the Rio Earth Summit are now among us creating suffering and loss on a daily basis, while not one policy fit for purpose has been implemented to prevent them.
Someone might have warned George Bush Senior when he stated that the American way of life is not up for negotiation, that nature cares not for political grandiosity.
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Jul 6, 2021 • 37min
Martin Bunzl | Thinking While Walking | Are we delusional about our perception of nature?
In this episode, I speak to the philosopher, Martin Bunzl, about his new book, Thinking While Walking, Reflections on the Pacific Crest Trail.
As Martin traverses the 2650 mile trail from the Mexican-US border to the US-Canada border, questions emerge around our own relationship with what we call the natural world.
If humanity has curated the landscape for thousands of years, both for-profit and pleasure, what are the impasses and delusions that we are to face in solving the huge ecological and climate problems that currently block our road to the future?
These ideas have been discussed before in terms of man versus nature but Martin gives concrete examples of where our romantic view of nature has already shaped the world around us.
Thinking While Walking is a fascinating book that considers many of the entrenched positions that many of us hold when we think or speak about action on climate change.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro by Nick Breeze
01:21 Role of philosophy in responding to climate challenges.
05:00 Tension between stemming energy and stemming population among global poorest.
07:00 Our relationship with nature. “We forget that human beings started changing nature at least ten thousand years before the Christian era.”
11:20 Manmade versus nature-based solutions.
13:50 We need to remove 8 billion tonnes of CO2 for every part per million of carbon dioxide that we want to remove from the atmosphere.
16:15 Does the precautionary principle as a term oversimplify the reality of the climate predicament or is it an apt term given there are so many vulnerable people?
20:30 Manmade interventions that create winners and losers.
25:40: Genetical engineering for greenhouse gas removal that could see 40% of our emissions removed by agriculture. Is the potential risk too unpalatable?
31:02 Are we saving the world or creating an idea of nature that fits our anthropocentric interest?
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Jul 3, 2021 • 21min
Measuring Impact; don't know? Don't care! Margaret Kim, CEO, Gold Standard
In this episode of Shaping The Future, I am speaking with Gold Standard CEO, Margaret Kim. Gold Standard sets the standard for climate positive implementation of a wide range of global-scale projects.
The global push to eradicate emissions means that activities and processes must be credible and effective if they are to build trust that we are on target to avert overshoot due to the billions of tonnes of human greenhouse gases emitted annually.
Margaret has enormous expertise in understanding the processes that solve these issues and also the reality of what it means if we fail to deliver.
Recent heatwaves and storm events are causing devastation across the world regardless of where people are located. The need for accelerated transformation of our society to one that absorbs rather than emits carbon has never been greater.
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Time Stamps:
00:00 Intro by Nick Breeze
01:30 Ensuring carbon reduction project manage negative environmental risks
03:30 Establishing public trust in the fight against greenwashing
07:20 Assessing impacts: “If you don’t know, you don’t care!”
14:00 On policy shifts: “We have seen huge movements from civil society groups, youth communities, making more progress than the 198 negotiators and governments supporting that. I really hope that COP26 shows leadership that is badly needed.
16:00 “Scope 3 emissions are key to Net Zero… but there is still a large gap…”
19:00 “We have clear science-based mile stones…. This is not something we can say is nice to have. It is a must.”
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Jul 1, 2021 • 15min
Climate As A Driver Of Conflict | General Ghazi
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This episode features an interview with former Pakistani Defence Minister General Ghazi. I recorded this at COP25 in Madrid and am replaying here because General Ghazi identifies with great clarity, a stage process that can lead a nation or region into conflict.
General Ghazi also outlines the critical role of the military as first responders, when climate extremes create society-wide suffering. The question is here, what more can we learn from experts in risk that can help us build societal resilience and promote cooperation as opposed to conflict in the face of a challenging future?
General Ghazi is a member of the Global Military Advisory Council On Climate Change (GMACCC).
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Preparing younger officers for climate-related conflicts and perturbations
How water represents a huge risk to societal stability and what can be done
Need for cooperation instead of conflict? Politicians lead by numbers so the military is well placed to translate risk into actionable plans?
Military as first responders in climate chaos and can be prepositioned for disaster management despite the increasingly erratic nature of climate-driven impacts.
The biggest concern is catastrophic conflict over resources that cross geopolitical lines.
Future stresses from overpopulated urban areas to pandemics and conflicts.

Jun 22, 2021 • 27min
The Climate Coup | Mark Alizart
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In this episode of Shaping The Future, I am speaking with French philosopher Mark Alizart about his new book The Climate Coup.
The Climate Coup makes for fascinating reading as Mark identifies the forces of financial and self-interest who are either actively profiting or seeking to gain power from the misery and suffering that is a result of regional and global ecological and climate disasters. I
n identifying these Carbofascists, Mark suggests there are parallels between events such as the Nazi burning of the Reichstag in 1933 and President Bolsonaro’s more recent wilful burning of the Amazon rainforest that has shocked the world.
Linking this seeming madness to the rise of populism, Mark suggests key responses that those of us interested in saving the global commons must consider if we are to win the struggle for a stable future. The book is only 60 pages and available to buy online at the usual places. I would welcome any thoughts or feedback about The Climate Coup, so please do comment or get in touch with your thoughts.
Following this episode, I am going to post an interview I recorded at COP25 in Madrid with retired General Ghazi from Pakistan. General Ghazi was also formerly the Pakistani Defence Minister and explains how current trends of climate disruption increasing pressures on water supply, are a key indicator of future conflict in the region.
Conflict risk and human suffering are only going to increase as the world becomes hotter and resources more restricted. How we behave in the face of such pressures will be the true test of our humanity.
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Jun 18, 2021 • 22min
Ecosia Search Engine Founder/CEO, Christian Kroll | Turning profits into trees
Christian Kroll, Founder and CEO of Ecosia, discusses his transformative vision for a search engine that plants trees with its profits. He emphasizes the need for tech companies to embrace regenerative business models instead of focusing solely on profit. Kroll envisions a future where users can contribute to climate action through simple actions like web searching. He also highlights a new generation of green innovators dedicated to repairing the Earth, calling for a shift in how we define success in business.

Jun 15, 2021 • 19min
‘Plastic – An Autobiography’ | Allison Cobb discusses facing existential threats
In this episode of Shaping The Future, I speak with the author, Allison Cobb, about her new book titled ‘Plastic - An Autobiography’.
With poetic sensitivity, Allison explores the complexity of how plastic has become part of our lives and how this material, that can endure for generations, has been wilfully categorised as a ‘single use’ disposable product becoming as ubiquitous as food with a highly toxic indigestible after-life.
This autobiography is also personal, linking the horrendous WW2 invasion of Poland with her ancestors who also worked at the Los Alamos National Laboratory on the now infamous Manhattan Project to create the first atomic bomb.
This is a story about complexity, personal journey and the plasticity of all life as we venture forth into the next big existential challenge of preventing climate and ecological collapse.
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Timestamps:
1:30 - ‘I wanted to write about the Anthropocene, the geologic scale human impact on the planet, in a way that made it personal’
3:00 Dupont, “See to it that American’s are never satisfied” - consumer capitalism has proliferated across the world.
5:20 - Heidegger’s essay ‘The Thing’ - technology reduces everything to its use-value.
7:30 The baby albatross with ingested plastic is emblematic of the disposable culture.
10:00 Complexity through personal stories that give us hope through empathy.
13:00 How are we doing in terms of the global collective tackling these huge ecological challenges.
15:00 The role of artists and creators along with every human to make the global shift.
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May 26, 2021 • 33min
Russian Arctic Methane Releases & Subsea Permafrost Degradation | Professor Örjan Gustafsson (Part 2)
In this second episode of the methane miniseries, I speak to Professor Orjan Gustafsson from Stockholm University about his team's ongoing collaboration with the Russian research team, led by Professor Igor Semiletov, investigating the Siberian Arctic.
Orjan has published over 80 research papers jointly with his Russian colleagues on their findings in the Russian Arctic over the course of more than a decade. In this episode, he highlights why understanding this region is among one of the most important research areas in climate change today.
Despite the complexity of geopolitics that often infects peoples thinking in dealing with Russia, the opportunities for scientific collaboration in pursuit of critical knowledge can, in the long run, prove more beneficial than any short term political aims.
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CONTENTS:
Interview contents by Timestamp[min:sec]|Subject
00:00 Overview of research programme looking at how carbon feedback processes work.
03:50 Degradation of subsea permafrost.
07:00 Different sources of methane.
09:00 Subsea permafrost not a risk?
11:30 Quantity of thermogenic methane.
13:30 Why this matters for policy.
14:40 Defining megaseeps.
17:00 Extrapolating estimates of megaseeps.
18:38 Is there a known countervailing force?
20:30 Is policy and rate of research in the area sufficient?
21:00 Is the Russian Presidency of the Arctic Council good for research?
21:50 Why what is happening in Siberia should be considered top scientific priority.
23:45 Slope hydrate vulnerability due to Atlantification of Arctic (warm inflow of water).
26:35 Russian Presidency a good opportunity for collaboration.
26:58 Research to be published in 2021.
27:38 New open access database live - CircumArctic Shelf Carbon database, “CASCADE”.
30:45 Science as diplomacy.
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