

Dev and Doc: AI For Healthcare Podcast
Dev and Doc
Bringing doctors and developers together to unlock the potential of AI in healthcare. Together, we can build models that matter.
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Hello! We are Dev & Doc, Zeljko and Josh :)
Josh is a Neurologist, AI Researcher and Clinical AI Lead.
Zeljko is an AI engineer, CTO and associate professor (UCL)
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Substack- https://aiforhealthcare.substack.com/
YT - https://youtube.com/@DevAndDoc
🤖👨🏻⚕️
Hello! We are Dev & Doc, Zeljko and Josh :)
Josh is a Neurologist, AI Researcher and Clinical AI Lead.
Zeljko is an AI engineer, CTO and associate professor (UCL)
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Substack- https://aiforhealthcare.substack.com/
YT - https://youtube.com/@DevAndDoc
Episodes
Mentioned books

Feb 1, 2024 • 18min
#13 Research begins when hype ends - Doc's adventure, LlaMa3 , Code LlaMa, Gemini Ultra
In this episode Doc goes on an adventure to chair an LLM/ generative AI conference session and reflects on his experience. Dev and Doc also discuss big news on meta's Llama3 and Code LlaMa.
Dev and Doc is a Podcast where developers and doctors join forces to deep dive into AI in healthcare. Together, we can build models that matter.
👨🏻⚕️Doc - Dr. Joshua Au Yeung - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-joshua-auyeung/
🤖Dev - Zeljko Kraljevic https://twitter.com/zeljkokr
The podcast 🎙️
🔊Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3QO5Lr3w4Rd6lqwlfKDaB7?si=e7915d844994403e
📙Substack: https://aiforhealthcare.substack.com/
Hey! If you are enjoying our conversations, reach out, share your thoughts and journey with us. Don't forget to subscribe whilst you're here :)
🎞️ Editor-
Dragan Kraljević https://www.instagram.com/dragan_kraljevic/
🎨Brand design and art direction -
Ana Grigorovici
https://www.behance.net/anagrigorovici027d
00:00 Highlight
00:36 Start
1:57 Are researchers just using Generative AI to get presentations /publications?
6:18 Hype cycles , lack of real world clinical studies using LLMs
8:08 LlaMa3 , Code LlaMa announcement and insights
13:30 Google bard / Gemini ultra second on leaderboard
17:30 wrap up and end

Jan 18, 2024 • 46min
#12 2024 AI Predictions : Ambient clinical intelligence, language models as commodities, GPT-5 and AGI
Dr. Joshua Au Yeung, a medical expert in AI advancements, and Zeljko Kraljevic, a dedicated developer in healthcare tech, dive into thrilling predictions for AI in 2024. They discuss the transformative potential of GPT-5 and the implications of ambient note-taking in medical practices. The duo highlights the tension between open-source AI models and profit-driven approaches like the GPT store. Insights into AI's role in clinical tasks and emerging tools for scientific writing enrich their conversation, painting a vibrant picture of the future of healthcare technology.

Dec 14, 2023 • 28min
#11 The AI race to automate clinical coding
Josh, a training Neurologist and AI researcher, teams up with Zeljko, an AI researcher and CTO, to explore the transformative impact of AI in clinical coding. They discuss the hurdles of inaccurate coding and how AI can streamline this process, enhancing both efficiency and accuracy. The conversation highlights AI's role in the UK national stroke audit, where natural language processing tools are making a difference. They also stress the importance of collaboration between AI and human coders while addressing privacy concerns and the support needed for successful implementation.

Dec 7, 2023 • 29min
#10 The building blocks of AGI - Google's Gemini, OpenAI's Q*
In this episode, Dev and Doc sit down to discuss artificial general intelligence from the perspective of a neurologist and computer scientist. We dive into the current developments around AGI , the 2 controversial schools of thought, LLMs and neuroscience, and give hot takes about whether we will ever reach AGI.
Dev and Doc is a Podcast where developers and doctors join forces to deep dive into AI in healthcare. Together, we can build models that matter.
👨🏻⚕️Doc - Dr. Joshua Au Yeung - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-joshua-auyeung/
🤖Dev - Zeljko Kraljevic https://twitter.com/zeljkokr
Hey! If you are enjoying our conversations, reach out, share your thoughts and journey with us. Don't forget to subscribe whilst you're here :)
00:00 start
01:05 intro
03:46 two camps of AGI - Yann Lecun vs Geoffrey Hinton, Architecture vs Data
07:47 Do emergent capabilities of LLMs pose a threat to humanity?
08:45 Intelligence and AGI - neuroscience and computer science approach
16:59 LLMs vs the human brain
24:16 Do AIs need a human touch? - Intrinsic personalities, temperaments, motivations, joy and reward
The podcast 🎙️
🔊Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3QO5Lr3w4Rd6lqwlfKDaB7?si=e7915d844994403e
📙Substack: https://aiforhealthcare.substack.com/
🎞️ Editor-
Dragan Kraljević https://www.instagram.com/dragan_kraljevic/
🎨Brand design and art direction -
Ana Grigorovici
https://www.behance.net/anagrigorovici027d

Nov 23, 2023 • 40min
#09 De-identifying 21 million hospital records with over 99% recall
De-identifying and anonymising PHI (protected/personal health information) in health records is one of the central pillars of AI success in healthcare. Without de-identified data we cannot share data between hospitals , train models confidentially, or safely create large language models. Live from new orleans, Dev and Doc are here to dive into this fascinating topic, as well as describe our experiences of building and deploying an AI model with over 99% recall for redaction of PHI.
Dev and Doc is a Podcast where developers and doctors join forces to deep dive into AI in healthcare. Together, we can build models that matter.
👨🏻⚕️Doc - Dr. Joshua Au Yeung - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-joshua...
🤖Dev - Zeljko Kraljevic https://twitter.com/zeljkokr
Hey! If you are enjoying our conversations, reach out, share your thoughts and journey with us. Don't forget to subscribe whilst you're here :)
00:00 start
00:52 intro
2:10 what is PHI? Personal /private health information
7:00 approaches on de-identifying hospital records
9:55 the problem with over-redaction /anonymisation
11:33 using deep learning for anonymisation
14:13 our experiences building a over 99% recall model VS manual annotation
18:03 how to make a high performing model - the art of annotations
24:49 Dev and Docs annotation method (Zeljko et al.)
30:42 how do you prevent overfitting?
31:54 ensuring model performs in new hospital / environments
33:23 future
34:48 synthetic data
The podcast 🎙️
🔊Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3QO5Lr3...
📙Substack: https://aiforhealthcare.substack.com/
🎞️ Editor-
Dragan Kraljević https://www.instagram.com/dragan_kral...
🎨Brand design and art direction -
Ana Grigorovici
https://www.behance.net/anagrigorovic...

Nov 9, 2023 • 37min
#08 the state of healthcare (and why large language models should be used)
What is the current state of healthcare in the UK, is it ethical for patients to use LLMs for their healthcare ?
Dev and Doc is a Podcast where developers and doctors join forces to deep dive into AI in healthcare. Together, we can build models that matter.
Hey! If you are enjoying our conversations, reach out, share your thoughts and journey with us. Don't forget to subscribe whilst you're here :)
👨🏻⚕️Doc - Dr. Joshua Au Yeung - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-joshua-auyeung/
🤖Dev - Zeljko Kraljevic https://twitter.com/zeljkokr
00:25 Intro
01:25 A personal account of the current state of healthcare
05:18 Did the covid pandemic really make a difference?
08:30 The NHS elective waiting list - 7.7 million patients and counting
12:04 Ghost patients - a data conundrum
13:55 BBC hospital waiting time tracker, ambulance wait times
19:00 Using AI / NLP to tackle elective lists
19:50 Patients will use tech like LLMs and ChatGPT to self diagnose
22:00 Symptoms need to be explored
26:10 data distribution on the web is skewed
28:50 Is it permissible to use LLMs in healthcare?
32:35 Directions for the future
35:20 ending
The podcast 🎙️
🔊Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3QO5Lr3w4Rd6lqwlfKDaB7?si=e7915d844994403e
📙Substack: https://aiforhealthcare.substack.com/
🎞️ Editor-
Dragan Kraljević https://www.instagram.com/dragan_kraljevic/
🎨Brand design and art direction -
Ana Grigorovici
https://www.behance.net/anagrigorovici027d
Refs
BBC wait tracker - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59549800
NHS waiting list, health foundation- https://www.health.org.uk/waiting-list

Oct 30, 2023 • 52min
#07 a conversation on safety and risks of AI models | AI safety summit 2023
As the AI safety summit nears in England, the UK positions itself as a leader in AI safety, but what does this mean? Is AI safety all about preventing doom for the human race ? 🤖Dev and doc👨🏻⚕️ are here to break down this fascinating topic.
Dev and Doc is a Podcast where developers and doctors join forces to deep dive into AI in healthcare. Together, we can build models that matter.
👨🏻⚕️Doc - Dr. Joshua Au Yeung - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-joshua-auyeung/
🤖Dev - Zeljko Kraljevic https://twitter.com/zeljkokr
Hey! If you are enjoying our conversations, reach out, share your thoughts and journey with us. Don't forget to subscribe whilst you're here :)
00:00 intro
01:28 Start
06:30 AI safety definition
10:21 AI safety vs AI regulation
13:05 UK positions itself as a leader in the AI safety summit (featuring Rishi Sunak)
15:50 AI safety summit - responsible scaling
16:50 what does this mean for an AI researcher? When should we slow down research?
19:40 Yann Lecunn- we will get nowhere by simply scaling. The transformer architecture will NOT lead to AGI
25:30 Tackling AI safety with model evaluation,red teams and ethical hackers
33:36 Trusts sharing data, federated learning platform, over-regulation
38:57 google already has all of your data
41:49 there is a lack of research on AI safety
The podcast 🎙️
🔊Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3QO5Lr3w4Rd6lqwlfKDaB7?si=e7915d844994403e
📙Substack: https://aiforhealthcare.substack.com/
🎞️ Editor-
Dragan Kraljević https://www.instagram.com/dragan_kraljevic/
🎨Brand design and art direction -
Ana Grigorovici
https://www.behance.net/anagrigorovici027d

Oct 23, 2023 • 59min
#06 Exploring Large multimodal models in healthcare - GPT-4V, Google PaLI-3 explained
🤖Dev and doc👨🏻⚕️ introduces large multimodal models. ✨ The potential of LMMs combining text and images seem limitless, but what's the catch?
Dev and Doc is a Podcast where developers and doctors join forces to deep dive into AI in healthcare. Together, we can build models that matter.
👨🏻⚕️Doc - Dr. Joshua Au Yeung - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-joshua-auyeung/
🤖Dev - Zeljko Kraljevic https://twitter.com/zeljkokr
00:00 start
00:32 intro
02:20 what is multimodality? And what are the potentials?
09:43 Large multimodal models paper deep dive (radiology)
18:43 paper deep dive 2 (pathology)
20:40 large multimodal models technical overview, exploration of other LMMs
31:40 Foundational models explanation
35:18 the model transparency index
36:20 Google PaLI-3, light weight models vs large Foundational models
43:04 Summary
44:15 the problems and work to be done for LMMs - hallucinations, inconsistencies, biases, security
49:20 A call for better evidence generation and trials with LMMs
53:00 final points - improving visual spatial recognition, thoughts for future
The podcast 🎙️
🔊Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3QO5Lr3w4Rd6lqwlfKDaB7?si=e7915d844994403e
📙Substack: https://aiforhealthcare.substack.com/
🎞️ Editor-
Dragan Kraljević https://www.instagram.com/dragan_kraljevic/
🎨Brand design and art direction -
Ana Grigorovici
https://www.behance.net/anagrigorovici027d

24 snips
Oct 16, 2023 • 35min
#05 5 tips to learn AI 2023 : From doctor to health tech
How should one get into AI and Health tech? Here Doc offers the top 5 tips.
Are you someone who is looking into AI and health tech? Or someone who is already in the field ? Share your thoughts and journey with us!
Dev and Doc is a Podcast where developers and doctors join forces to deep dive into AI in healthcare. Together, we can build models that matter.
👨🏻⚕️Doc - Dr. Joshua Au Yeung - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-joshua-auyeung/
🤖Dev - Zeljko Kraljevic https://twitter.com/zeljkokr
00:00 start
00:25 intro
02:05 why do developers not want to get into healthcare (shock)
05:45 what does Dev and Doc love about healthcare
09:20 AI is a multiplicator
------- 5 tips to get into health tech / AI-----
10:32 how a doctor can get into AI
10:40 1.AI is a collection of many topics and skills
13:23 should I learn to code ?
15:25 2.Understanding your intention
26:20 3.find a project
28:30 4.Find a team
31:54 5.Perseverance
References:
- https://discord.com/invite/hugging-face-879548962464493619 [Huggingface]
- https://discord.com/invite/Mw77HPrgjF [Chipro]
- https://www.reddit.com/r/learnmachinelearning/
- https://www.datacamp.com/
- https://www.kaggle.com/
- https://www.coursera.org/
- https://www.youtube.com/@AndrejKarpathy

Oct 9, 2023 • 53min
#04 The opportunities and promises of AI in Healthcare : Super Doctors and personal assistants
The discussion kicks off with the essential role of AI in transforming healthcare delivery. Speakers share insights on how modern doctors are increasingly stretched for time and the potential AI has to enhance their efficiency. Innovations like AI super doctors promise to revolutionize diagnostics and patient interaction. Venture capital investments in AI startups are on the rise, fueling exciting use cases. Ethical considerations around AI's role in mental health and patient care highlight the need for a balanced approach. Overall, it's a promising glimpse into the future of healthcare.


