

Switched on Pop
Vulture
A podcast all about the making and meaning of popular music. Musicologist Nate Sloan & songwriter Charlie Harding pull back the curtain on how pop hits work magic on our ears & our culture. From Vulture and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
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Jul 26, 2022 • 23min
Elvis, Big Mama Thornton, Doja Cat, and the Long Legacy of “Hound Dog”
Baz Luhrmann’s hit box office hit biopic Elvis has spurred new interest in the music of The King. Elvis Presley’s streaming subscribers has grown by two million listeners on Spotify since the film’s release according to ChartMetric, and if you’re hearing a lot more “Hound Dog” these days, it might be partially due to the success of Doja Cat’s hit song “Vegas,” which updates – and interpolates – the song for contemporary listeners. Doja Cat’s version samples from the original 1953 “Hound Dog,” sung by Big Mama Thornton and written by acclaimed songwriter team Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller (whose credits also include Presley’s “Jailhouse Rock” and Ben E. King’s “Stand By Me”). The original is a sauntering blues song with a raunchy tale about a two timing man; Presley, who is frequently said to have stolen the song from Thorton, instead sings a tepid lyric about an actual dog, and radically changes the groove. But in an interview with Rolling Stone, Stoller says Presley didn’t steal the song at all. Rather, he adapted one of many covers of the song, specifically the version performed by the Las Vegas lounge act Freddie Bell and the Bellboys. Their “Hound Dog” borrows its upbeat rhythm from a song responding to the original “Hound Dog,” titled “Bear Cat.” It’s a similar rhythm to the one we hear on the contemporary Doja Cat version, “Vegas,” which heavily features samples of Thornton’s original vocals: listening closely reveals a song that synthesizes a complicated music history by uniting the best parts of the many versions of “Hound Dog.” Listen to the latest episode of Switched On Pop and uncover the long legacy of “Hound Dog.”Songs Discussed
Big Mama Thorton - Hound Dog
Elvis - Hound Dog
Doja Cat - Vegas
Esther Phillips - Hound Dog
Jack Turner - Hound Dog
Rufus Thomas - Bear Cat
Freddie Bell and the Bellboys
T.L.C. - No Scrubs
Sporty Thievz - No Pigeons
W.C. Handy - St. Louis Blues
Duke Ellington - Conga brava
Sister Rosetta Tharpe - Didn’t It Rain
Fats Domino - Mardi Gras in New Orleans
Dave Bartholomew - Country Boy
Little Richard - Slipping’ And Sliding’
Jack Harlow - Dua Lipa
Future - Puffin on Zootiez
Hitkidd, Gorilla - F.N.F. (Let’s Go)
Bad Bunny - Después de la Playa
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Jul 19, 2022 • 29min
We Won’t Go Back: Pop Music and the Fight For Reproductive Rights (w MILCK and Ann Powers)
In this engaging discussion, singer-songwriter MILCK, famous for her powerful anthem "Quiet," teams up with NPR’s Ann Powers, a critic known for exploring music's role in social issues. They examine how artists like Cher and Olivia Rodrigo have responded to the Supreme Court's decision on reproductive rights. MILCK reveals the inspiration behind her new song, "We Won’t Go Back," crafted from the energy of protests. The duo also dives into the rich history of music as a medium for protest and solidarity in women's rights, making this conversation truly impactful.

Jul 12, 2022 • 24min
Harry Styles and the Sledgehammer Horns
As we hit the dog days of summer, the artist that’s started to soundtrack pool parties across the country is former One Direction bandmate and contemporary sex symbol Harry Styles.In May, Styles released Harry’s House, an album propelled by the number one hit “As It Was.” Despite having critical and commercial success, a barb often thrown at the album is the idea of it being inoffensive: pleasant, “easy listening” music apt for an elevator, grocery store or, perhaps, a sushi restaurant. Fans of Styles have warmly accepted this, and have come to love his sly appreciation of different decades of pop music history. This latest album reveals an interesting connection to one era in particular: the 1980s and the percussive, full-bodied horn sections that came with it. The first track on Harry’s House, “Music for a Sushi Restaurant,” offers a whole chorus of just horns, in an homage to one of Styles’s musical touchstones, Peter Gabriel. These 80s “sledgehammer horns” connect to a deep well of 80s grooves—from Lionel Richie's "Up All Night" to Janet Jackson and Herb Alpert's "Diamonds," —as Styles's strives to achieve the same effortless funk and propulsion of his brassy icons.MORESledgehammer Horns playlistEvery Olivia Wilde reference Vulture found on Harry’s House Songs DiscussedHarry Styles - As It Was, Music for a Sushi Restaurant, DaydreamingPeter Gabriel - SledgehammerLionel Richie - Up All NightDonna Summer - She Works Hard for the MoneySheila E. - The Glamorous LifeSteve Winwood - Higher LoveJanet Jackson and Herb Alpert - DiamondsHerb Alpert - RiseNotorious B.I.G. - Hypnotize We need your help. We are conducting a short audience survey to help plan for our future and hear from you. To participate, head to vox.com/podsurvey, and thank you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jul 5, 2022 • 52min
ICYMI: The 90s’ Most Unlikely Hit (with Baz Luhrmann)
In 1999 filmmaker Baz Luhrmann released the song “Everybody’s Free To Wear Sunscreen,” a 7-minute-long graduation speech set to downtempo electronic music. It was a highly unlikely hit that made its way across continents and eventually into the ears of a young Avery Trufelman via the album NOW That’s What I Call Music Volume 2. For over 20 years, Trufelman has applied the song’s advice to her daily life: “wear sunscreen… be nice to your siblings… do one thing every day that scares you.” This unusual song has left a lasting impression, and yet for Trufelman, it makes no sense that “The Sunscreen Song” was commercially successful. We investigate the song’s many architects — novelist Kurt Vonnegut, Chicago Tribune columnist Mary Schmich and Baz Luhrmann himself — to unpack one of the internet’s first conspiracy theories that turned into Billboard’s greatest outlier. We need your help. We are conducting a short audience survey to help plan for our future and hear from you. To participate, head to vox.com/podsurvey, and thank you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jun 28, 2022 • 31min
Beyoncé's House
The world stops with a Beyoncé drop. On Monday, June 20th, our prayers were answered with “Break My Soul,” the lead single off of her upcoming album, Renaissance. The song draws from several places of inspiration: lyrically, it’s a cathartic dance-floor ode to liberation, soundtracking the current cultural moment that some have called the “Great Resignation.” Sonically, though, “Break My Soul” is Beyoncé’s foray into house music – a genre that the chair of the Clive Davis Institute of Recorded Music, Jason King, summarizes as “a highly rhythmic dance music created by mostly Black and brown artists in the late 1970s and early 1980s,” propelled by a fanbase of queer and trans communities of color. There’s been an undeniable buzz that Beyoncé is “bringing house music back.” And from Charli XCX to Drake, it does feel like house music is currently having a moment in mainstream pop music, paralleling the original rise of the subculture from the ruins of disco. But the genre “has always been here,” in King’s words, and has decades of history. In this episode of Switched On Pop, we unpack house music – and how Beyoncé’s “Break My Soul” fits into the genre. Songs DiscussedBeyoncé - “BREAK MY SOUL”Beyoncé - “Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)”Drake - “Falling Back”Thelma Houston - “Don’t Leave Me This Way”Robin S - “Show Me Love”Bob Sinclair, Steve Edwards - “World Hold On (Children of the sky)”Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj - “Swish Swish”Charli XCX - “Used To Know Me”Livin’ Joy - “Don’t Stop Movin’”Mr. Fingers - “Can You Feel It”Madonna - “Vogue”Black Box - “Ride on Time”CeCe Peniston - “Finally”Aqua - “Barbie Girl”Big Freedia - “Explode”Beyoncé - “Formation”Drake - “Nice For What”Daft Punk, Pharrell Williams, Nile Rodgers - “Get Lucky”Destiny’s Child - “Say My Name - Maurice’s Last Days Of Disco Millennium Mix”Beyoncè - “FIND YOUR WAY BACK”Madonna - “Deeper and Deeper”Janet Jackson - “Together Again”C & C Music Factory - “Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jun 21, 2022 • 23min
Robert Glasper on jazz, basketball, and his score for "Winning Time"
Robert Glasper is the only artist to have an album debut in the top 10 of 4 different Billboard charts. He's a musical polymath whose resume ranges from Kendrick Lamar to Herbie Hancock. At the piano, he serves up jazz licks worthy of Mary Lou Williams before segueing into a Nirvana cover. Glasper brings his diverse skill set to bear on his latest project, the score for the HBO series Winning Time: The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty, composed in collaboration with "Succession" soundtracker Nicholas Britell. It's not just Glasper's musical chops that made him the perfect candidate for the gig: in a past life, he was a baller himself. Nate spoke with Glasper about crafting the sound of the 1980s, improvising soundtrack themes on the spot, and what jazz and basketball have in common.Songs DiscussedRobert Glasper - Over, FTB, "Winning Time" and "The Photograph" ThemesNicholas Britell - "Succession" and "Moonlight" ThemesMorris Day and The Time - Get It Up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jun 16, 2022 • 21min
Scoring Stranger Things with Kyle Dixon & Michael Stein
We recently deconstructed how Kate Bush’s 1985 song “Running Up That Hill” has found itself at the center of culture due to a placement in the Netflix, eighties, horror, sci-fi show, Stranger Things. For that episode we excerpted an interview with the composers of the show who shared great insights on how they created the iconic theme song and spooky soundscape for the most streamed show of 2022. But we want to share the full conversation with you because they have equally cheeky as well as valuable musical offerings to share. Surprisingly, this show steeped in 80s nostalgia, has a more contemporary soundtrack than you you might think. Songs Discussed
Kyle Dixon & Michael Stein - Stranger Things, Photos in the Woods, He’s Here, Soldiers, Agents, Starcourt
Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill
Tangerine Dream - Sorcerer Theme Song
John Carpenter - Night
Vangelis - Main Titles (Blade Runner)
S U R V I V E - A.H.B.
S U R V I V E - High Rise
Merzbow - Woodpecker No.1
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Jun 14, 2022 • 30min
Kate Bush, Stranger Things, and a hit song four decades in the making
Kate Bush’s “Running Up That Hill” enters the latest season of Stranger Things during a brooding high-school hallway scene right out of the John Hughes playbook, and it has since bounded up the charts, hitting No. 4 on the Billboard Hot 100 and performing better now than when it peaked at No. 30 upon release. Stranger Things, whose latest season has logged more viewer minutes for Netflix than any other English-language release to date, has leaned heavily on ’80s nostalgia since its premiere in 2016: Its iconic theme song is reminiscent of John Carpenter B-movies, and, in an email, used-instrument resale site Reverb.com tells us the show has boosted interest in analog synthesizers.“Running Up That Hill,” then, is a natural fit for the show, and it plays a pivotal, spoiler-ridden plot point in the show, requiring us to hear the hook multiple times throughout the season — a perfect earworm. But its success is owed to more than just repetition. It waffles between major and minor, and the show’s composers, Kyle Dixon and Michael Stein, told Switched on Pop that both it and the rest of the Stranger Things score have “moments of darkness and lightness in it, constantly trading places.” Plus, they’re composed from the same set of instruments: classic synthesizers and drum machines like the LinnDrum. The song is part and parcel with the soundtrack itself: “There’s these little melodies that we always refer to as ‘And then the Kate Bush part comes in,’” Dixon says.Listen to Switched On Pop to hear how Kate Bush’s “Running Up That Hill” is an exquisite song placement and hear how it blends seamlessly with the Stranger Things soundtrack.MORECheck out Reverb Machine’s sounds of Kate BushReverb.com made a tutorial on the synth sounds of Stranger ThingsThe story of the Kate Bush renaissance from The RingerSongs Discussed
Kyle Dixon & Michael Stein - Stranger Things
Kate Bush - Running Up That Hill
Dead Or Alive - You Spin Me Round
Talking Heads - Psycho Killer
Musical Youth - Pass the Dutchie
Carly Rae Jepsen - Cut To The Feeling
The Weeknd - Blinding Lights
Prince - When Doves Cry
Phil Collins - Sussudio
Tangerine Dream - Sorcerer Theme Song
John Carpenter - Night
S U R V I V E - A.H.B.
S U R V I V E - High Rise
Kyle Dixon & Michael Stein - Eggo in the Snow
Kyle Dixon & Michael Stein - She Wants Me to Find Her
Kyle Dixon & Michael Stein - Starcourt
Kyle Dixon & Michael Stein - Eight Fifteen
Kyle Dixon & Michael Stein - Boys and Girls
Kyle Dixon & Michael Stein - The Ceiling is Beautiful
Kate Bush - Waking the Witch
Kate Bush - Hammer Horror
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Jun 7, 2022 • 33min
So your song went viral on TikTok. What’s next?
On TikTok, pop stars — Halsey, FKA Twigs, and Florence Welch among them — have been complaining a lot lately about their labels forcing them to make TikToks. As people spent the early part of the pandemic staring at their phones instead of flocking to concerts, the short-form-video social-media platform upended music discovery. In many cases, it gave unknown musicians a pathway to enormous audiences and allowed them to burst into the mainstream on the backs of their TikTok hits.It’s a story as old as the music industry itself: No-name musician gets big overnight and lands a record deal. But until recently, it’s been hard to say just how big and how overnight, so Estelle Caswell from Vox and Matt Daniels from The Pudding spent seven months manually compiling and interrogating the data of who went viral, who got signed, and whose careers dropped off. Their resulting short documentary, We Tracked What Happens After TikTok Songs Go Viral, is a definitive dive into the 2020 class of viral TikTok stars.Although the platform is clearly a dominant force in new-music discovery, they found that streaming music is still overwhelmingly dominated by legacy artists. And since these established acts are now competing for the same eyeballs as their lesser-known colleagues on TikTok, it’s getting harder and harder for the latter to break out. So what happens after you go viral on TikTok? Listen to Switched On Pop to find out. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 31, 2022 • 26min
The 1980s jam that gave Latto and Mariah Carey Big D*** Energy
If you've heard Latto's swaggering track "Big Energy"—and after 30 weeks on the Hot 100, you probably have—you may have heard a resemblance to Mariah Carey's 1995 hit "Fantasy." That's because both songs borrow a groove from the 1981 hit "Genius of Love," a genre-defying smash made by Chris Frantz and Tina Weymouth. "Genius of Love" was made when Frantz and Weymouth took a break from playing in the band Talking Heads to let loose at the Island Records studio in the Bahamas with the help of some reggae luminaries. The original "Genius of Love" mashed up funk, new wave, disco, and rap, capturing the diverse sounds of 1980s downtown New York City, shouting out their musical influences in the process. From there, the song wended its way through hit after hit, from Grandmaster Flash to "Return of the Mack." Why does "Genius of Love" continue to spark musicians', and audience's, imaginations forty years after its release? Tune in to find out.Songs DiscussedLatto - Big EnergyMariah Carey - FantasyMariah Carey ft Ol Dirty Bastard - Fantasy (Remix)Tom Tom Club - Genius of LoveGrandmaster and the Furious Five - It's NastyBusta Rhymes and Erykah Badu - OneMark Morrison - Return of the Mack Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices