

Notice That
Jen Savage and Bridger Falkenstien
An EMDR Podcast
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Sep 16, 2025 • 44min
EMDR 2.0: A Conversation with Suzy Matthijssen & Ad de Jongh
In this engaging conversation, Suzy Matthijssen, a clinical psychologist and trauma treatment innovator, and Ad de Jongh, a seasoned therapist and EMDR pioneer, delve into the evolution of EMDR 2.0. They discuss the origins of intensive trauma treatment, highlighting the emergence of four-session-a-day protocols. The duo explains the science behind their approach, focusing on the pillars of activation, taxation, and motivation. They also share insights on the surprising effectiveness of remote therapy, and how their methods can better address complicated trauma cases.

Aug 28, 2025 • 42min
Why So Many Protocols?: EMDR Modifications and Their Common Themes
Dive into the fascinating world of EMDR protocols and discover why there are so many variations. The discussion breaks down the essential themes connecting these methods, like the three-pronged approach and dual attention. Learn when to stick to a standard framework and when to unleash your clinical creativity. The hosts highlight the power of case conceptualization over simply memorizing techniques, making it easier to tailor EMDR to each client’s unique needs. Plus, enjoy light-hearted reflections on creative play in therapy!

Aug 14, 2025 • 1h 2min
Enactment-Focused EMDR: Reclaiming the Relational Thread
Personal anecdotes spark joy as the hosts share summer adventures and the excitement of welcoming a new family member. They dive into the intricacies of their book development, balancing poetic writing with solid research. A highlight is the exploration of enactment-focused EMDR, showcasing how this approach enhances relational dynamics in therapy. Listeners will gain insights into bridging gaps in EMDR literature while embracing creative techniques that elevate therapeutic relationships. This engaging discussion intertwines personal growth with professional innovation.

Jul 18, 2025 • 1h 9min
EMDR Meets Play: Healing Through Curiosity and Connection with Christine Mark-Griffin
Christine Mark-Griffin, a licensed clinical social worker and author, discusses the fusion of EMDR and play therapy in her work with children. She reveals how using play as a therapeutic language unlocks healing and emphasizes the importance of engaging parents in the process. Christine explores innovative methods like incorporating digital platforms such as Roblox to make therapy relatable. She insists on the crucial need for more EMDR specialists for kids, highlighting the transformative potential of these techniques for young minds dealing with trauma.

Jul 3, 2025 • 1h 11min
EMDR and The Brain's Networks: A Conversation About Modern Neruoscience
Explore the science behind EMDR and its transformative effects on trauma therapy. Discover the shift from modular to network neuroscience, revealing how brain networks interact to process trauma. Learn about key networks like salience, central executive, and default mode, and their roles in PTSD and emotional regulation. Delve into how EMDR techniques utilize dual attention and working memory to promote healing. The conversation highlights innovations like AI-assisted tools for optimizing therapeutic interventions.

Jun 5, 2025 • 57min
Why Does EMDR Work? Exploring Working Memory, Bilateral Stimulation, and the Science of Change
Discover the transformative power of EMDR in trauma therapy and the role of working memory. Delve into the effectiveness of bilateral stimulation and how engaging working memory can disrupt traumatic responses. Jen and Bridger break down EMDR's eight phases, discuss optimal overload techniques, and examine the importance of a therapeutic relationship. They also touch on the limits of working memory theory and tease an upcoming neuroscience deep dive, making complex topics accessible and engaging for clinicians and curious minds alike.

May 22, 2025 • 1h 6min
Human First: A Conversation with The EMDR Coach, Dana Carretta Stein
Join Dana Carretta Stein, an EMDR therapist and owner of Peaceful Living Mental Health Counseling, as she delves into the vital role of human connection in therapy. Dana discusses how authenticity can enhance healing, challenging the traditional expectation of neutrality in therapists. She emphasizes the importance of vulnerability and self-reflection, illustrating how these elements foster deeper client relationships. The conversation takes a heartfelt turn, exploring the transformative power of connection in both therapy and the professional journey.

May 8, 2025 • 1h 2min
EMDR, Cultural Humility, and Doing Your Own Work: Conversation with Mark Nickerson
Mark Nickerson, LICSW, is an EMDR therapist and cultural competence advocate who emphasizes the importance of cultural humility in clinical work. He discusses how personal experiences shape therapist-client dynamics and the role of EMDR in addressing internalized oppression and bias. Mark shares insights from workshops aimed at processing exclusion and fostering empathy, advocating for therapists to engage in self-reflection. He highlights that true change requires ongoing self-awareness and cultural responsiveness in therapy.

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Apr 10, 2025 • 1h 19min
Is EMDR Too Insular?: A Conversation with Derek Farrell
Derek Farrell, a UK clinical psychologist and international EMDR leader, discusses the need for EMDR to evolve beyond its insular approach. He emphasizes the importance of collaboration with other organizations to enhance trauma therapy. Farrell critiques the franchise-style model of EMDR training, arguing it limits scientific dialogue. He also addresses the challenges of integrating EMDR in academic programs, and how the forthcoming Oxford Handbook of EMDR aims to establish a stronger evidence base for effective practices.

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Mar 27, 2025 • 52min
What if EMDR Was a Truly Somatic Therapy?
Explore the transformative potential of EMDR therapy by centering somatic practices as foundational to healing. The conversation reflects on a successful training experience, underscoring the importance of human connection and flexibility in teaching. Delve into the intricate ties between depression, bodily sensations, and emotional expression. The speakers challenge conventional views on nervous system regulation, advocating for genuine engagement with emotions. Discover insights on affect phobia and the necessity of ongoing education for therapists.


