In the Shadows of Utopia: The Khmer Rouge and the Cambodian Nightmare

Lachlan Peters
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Sep 13, 2024 • 1h 55min

S2 Ep18: A Cambodian Coup! The "Red Prince" Falls

Were the CIA responsible for the coup against Sihanouk? Why did Lon Nol and Sirik Matak finally make a move against the prince? What did Sihanouk’s removal from power mean for the Khmer Rouge? Time Period Covered 1969 - 1970 In the final episode of this season, Lachlan covers the circumstances that surround the plot to remove Norodom Sihanouk from his position as head of state. Lon Nol and Sirik Matak will take advantage of the problem of Vietnamese troop presence on Cambodian land and turn it into a political necessity to oust the Prince. They would make several miscalculations which would mean that this plan would largely backfire, as Sihanouk joins a resistance front with who he thinks are the Khmer Rouge, as well as the Vietnamese and recieving Chinese aid. Lon Nol’s new government will have to resort to terrible measures to try and deliver on their promises. Please consider supporting the show at https://www.patreon.com/shadowsofutopia  Sources Chandler “Tragedy of Cambodian History” and “Brother Number One” Short “Pol Pot” Shawcross “Sideshow” Heder “Cambodian Communism” Sihanouk “My War With The CIA” Osbourne “Sihanouk” Jagel “Khmer Nationalist” Haing Ngor “Survival in the Killing Fields” Kamm “Report from a Stricken Land”
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Aug 19, 2024 • 2h 2min

S2 Ep17: Death From Above 1969: Operation Menu and Nixon's Madman Theory

How did Cambodia become the ‘key’ to Nixon’s plan to end the Vietnam War? What was the secret bombing of Cambodia? How many bombs did the US drop on Cambodia? What factors led to the end of Sihanouk’s leadership of the country? Time Period Covered 1968 - 1969 In this episode Lachlan looks at the gradually degrading situation in Cambodia, and the destabilization prior to a change in the Whitehouse that will only make matters worse. We look at Sihanouk’s movies, the Cambodian economy, and the Khmer Rouge as they continue their ‘armed struggle’ across the country. Nixon’s ascension to power in the USA is explored, his plans for a quick end to the Vietnam War, and the role that Cambodia could play in producing this. Bombing, done in secret, is explained, as well as some comments on the general discourse around the idea of ‘bombs over Cambodia’. Check out the YouTube Channel at https://youtu.be/8QdRvpbMr_w?si=vTEurMs6dDEmjjHI Sources Short “Pol Pot” Chandler “Tragedy of Cambodian History” Shawcross “Sideshow” Mark Atwood Lawrence “Concise History of the Vietnam War” Kiernan “How Pol Pot Came To Power” Osbourne “Sihanouk” Heder “Cambodian Communism and the Vietnamese Model” Article Links https://quillette.com/2023/12/07/kissinger-and-cambodia/ https://gsp.yale.edu/case-studies/cambodian-genocide-program/us-involvement/united-states-bombing-cambodia-1965-1973 Support https://www.patreon.com/shadowsofutopia
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Jul 19, 2024 • 1h 18min

S2 Ep16: Interview: "Rendez-vous avec Pol Pot" with Elizabeth Becker

How many journalists were able to set foot in Cambodia before the revolution, during the revolution and after the revolution? Not many. Elizabeth Becker is one of those people. In 1973 she began covering the war in Cambodia, in 1978 she was part of a three person delegation which saw the first western journalists to enter into Democratic Kampuchea. There she was witness to, as she describes it a "Twilight Zone" version of Cambodia. She also met Pol Pot. The end of her trip ended in tragedy as one member of the delegation was murdered the same night. A fictionalised version of that story is the subject of Rithy Panh's new film Rendez-vous avec Pol Pot, and I got to speak to Elizabeth about her newest book "You Don't Belong Here", as well as her story and work in Cambodia, witnessing the effects of the 1973 US bombing campaign, her tour of Democratic Kampuchea and much more. Please Note At the beginning of the interview, Elizabeth references a review by David Chandler from 1987 and what it meant to hear this critique in the Khmer Rouge Tribunals. She also gives her reasoning behind why she thinks that criticism was given. I had failed to mention to her before the interview or at the time that I had worked with David previously, which I regret. However, I feel it is necessary to mention that Chandler had later recommended "When the War Was Over" in his 'top five books' that someone should read about Cambodia. This was amongst high praise and the reasons he gave for his initially critical review in the late 80s: "She manages to tell the dramatic sides, the painful aspects, she builds up a very clear and moving picture. She worked in Cambodia in the early 1970s so she got a feel for the country, she understood what had been damaged and how people were affected. It is a very effective book and I believe that it will stand up to the test of time. I had reservations initially because she wasn’t an insider, and like so many writers she goes into the story through the dark side of the Khmers, the spooky nature of the land and people- in this way foreshadowing Philip Short. I don’t buy into that at all. It’s a small reservation I have, but otherwise this is a wonderful book." That recommendation can be found at https://fivebooks.com/best-books/best-books-cambodia/ Please visit https://www.patreon.com/shadowsofutopia to watch the video of the interview.
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Jun 7, 2024 • 2h 19min

S2 Ep15: Tet - Part Two: The My Lai Massacre

The podcast dives deep into the chilling My Lai Massacre, analyzing the factors that led to the deaths of over 500 civilians. It examines the role of the Tet Offensive in escalating violence and how troop deployment and officer training impacted soldiers' actions. The narrative doesn't shy away from the psychological toll faced by Charlie Company, highlighting personal experiences and the breakdown of military ethics. Through intense reflections, it questions historical accountability and the far-reaching consequences of such atrocities.
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Mar 21, 2024 • 1h 18min

S2 Ep14: Interview: "Prisoners of Class" with Matt Madden

Lachlan sits down with Matt Madden, translator of Chan Samoeun’s Prisoners of Class. The book, having been recently released in English for the first time, is an amazing example of a Khmer Rouge survivor memoir. They discuss Matt’s journey in finding the original book, meeting the author and translating it over many years. The book itself, including amazing details and descriptions of the world of the ‘life slave’ in Democratic Kampuchea, are discussed and thought about, as well as the contributions to the work that Matt has produced. Please go out and get yourself a copy of the book, the best place to do so is from https://www.mekongriverpress.com/ where you can preview the book, get access to the supplementary material, as well as purchase various editions.    Please take the time to leave a rating or review wherever you get it from! 
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Feb 5, 2024 • 1h 32min

S2 Ep13: Tet - Part One: Hue

The discussion dives into the Tet Offensive of 1968, highlighting its shocking impact on the Vietnam War. It explores the brutal Battle of Hue, characterized by intense urban combat and tragic civilian casualties. Nearly 3000 civilians fell victim to the violence as the Viet Cong reshaped the city through terror. The podcast also links media coverage to public perception, revealing the realities behind military strategies and the intelligence failures that contributed to a chaotic conflict.
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Nov 26, 2023 • 1h 52min

S2 Ep12: The Cambodian Civil War Begins - Part Two: A Revolution Waged With Empty Hands

Discover the intriguing origins of the Cambodian Civil War as the Communist Party of Kampuchea gears up for armed struggle. Explore Prince Sihanouk's complex relationship with the United States and the arrival of devastating bombings. Experience the chaos of local uprisings and the desperate attempts of revolutionaries navigating guerrilla warfare. Uncover the manipulation of historical truths by the Khmer Rouge and the strategic build-up that tied Cambodia’s fate to the larger Vietnam conflict. It's a dramatic tale of ambition, turmoil, and survival.
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Oct 1, 2023 • 1h 11min

S2 Ep11: Mao's Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution

Dive into the chaotic world of Mao's Cultural Revolution, where a moment of publicity became a nightmare. Explore how radical youth, known as Red Guards, unleashed violence against perceived enemies. Learn about the ideological motives behind this frenzy and the massive purges that led to countless deaths. Witness the cultural destruction that shattered China's societal fabric and left an indelible mark on a generation. This is a story of ambition, fear, and the dire consequences of radical political change.
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Aug 3, 2023 • 51min

S2 Ep9: Interview: "Son Ngoc Thanh, a Khmer Nationalist" with Matthew Jagel

Special guest Matthew Jagel joins Lachlan to talk about his new book: Khmer Nationalist. The book is an exploration of Cambodian history using Son Ngoc Thanh as the central focus, and they join up to talk about Cambodian nationalism, the influence of Imperial Japan, Sihanouk's antagonism, the Khmer Serei and the CIA. Visit https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9781501769337/khmer-nationalist/  to purchase the book or find Matthew on social media at https://twitter.com/matthew_jagel?s=20  or listen to Matthew's podcast "Napalm in the Morning" on Itunes and Spotify. Visit www.shadowsofutopia.com/support to contribute to the show.
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Jul 10, 2023 • 1h 34min

S2 Ep10: The Cambodian Civil War Begins - Part One: The Samlaut Rebellion and the Three Ghosts

Discover the origins of the Samlaut Rebellion and the chaos that erupted in 1967 Cambodia. Learn how peasant unrest ignited a violent response from the government, creating a cycle of turmoil. Explore Prince Sihanouk's precarious balancing act amid rising factions and pressures from the Vietnam War. Delve into the psychological effects of conflict on individuals and the growing influence of the Communist Party of Kampuchea. Unearth the complex dynamics of alliances and tensions shaping the early days of the Cambodian Civil War.

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