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Mar 17, 2024 • 1h 11min
The Art of Community with Charles Vogl
Diving into community building with Charles Vogl, discussing the importance of shared values, intimate events, and breaking bread together. Exploring challenges of top-down approaches and the power of genuine connections in fostering thriving communities. Also, delving into the significance of invitations, veteran support, and embracing values in a changing society.

Mar 10, 2024 • 1h 28min
Special Operations Mountain Warfare with CPT Paul Rogers
This week we're diving into a conversation about mountain warfare, and our guest is about as qualified as they come. Captain Paul Rogers is the commander of the Special Operations Mountain Warfare Training Center (SOMWTC). He is the first Officer to graduate all USSOCOM Mountain Operator Courses and has tackled some extreme mountain objectives. The SOMWTC develops some of the most qualified mountain warfare instructors within the US Military, and is responsible for the certification of USSOCOM Mountain Leaders, operational employment of mountain warfare experts, and doctrine writing for all USSOCOM Military Mountain Operations.
In this episode we also spend some time discussing a devastating mountaineering accident that Paul recently experienced. Our human performance folks will appreciate the way that 10th Special Forces Group's interdisciplinary team brought Paul back from nearly dying to a high level performance in a matter of just a few months. We also discuss the mental health ramifications of an experience like that and how he tackled that challenge too.
Captain Paul Rogers is a native of Littleton, Colorado and commissioned as an Engineer Officer in 2013 from the United States Military Academy with a Bachelors of Science in Civil Engineering. Following the Engineer Officer Basic Course, he was assigned to 4th Brigade 25th Infantry Division at Fort Richardson, AK. While at 4-25 IBCT(A) he served as an Airborne Light Equipment Platoon Leader, Sapper Company Executive Officer, and BN Assistant Operations Officer.
CPT Rogers attended the Special Forces Assessment and Selection in 2017 and graduated from the Q Course in 2019, after which he was assigned to 10th Special Forces Group. There he served as the Detachment Commander of SFOD-A 0223 (Mountain). As Detachment Commander he deployed twice in support in support of Operation ATLANTIC RESOLVE and the Russo-Ukrainian War before transitioning into his current role.
CPT Rogers is an active member of the American Mountain Guide Association and has completed a number of certifications as an aspiring Ski and Alpine Guide. He lives in Castle Rock, CO with his wife Andrea and their three dogs.

Mar 3, 2024 • 1h 39min
Breathing in Extreme Environments with Lt Col Justin "Astro" Elliott
Lt Col Justin "Astro" Elliott, a former commander of the USAF Thunderbirds and expert in fighter pilot physiology, discusses the critical role of breathing in extreme environments. He shares his extensive flying career and the unique challenges faced by fighter pilots, particularly regarding breath control under high G-forces. Astro also delves into advancements in technology aimed at improving lung function, the psychological dynamics of elite aerial teams, and the importance of decision-making and adaptability in aviation. His insights illuminate the intersection of science and performance standards in military aviation.

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Feb 25, 2024 • 1h 33min
Lessons Learned: Two Years of MOPs & MOEs
Former MLB player turned Army H2F program member Brendon Huttmann hosts a revealing interview with the podcast hosts, exploring their origin story, goals of the platform, and lessons learned. Topics include podcast evolution, engaging with audience feedback, and evolving perspectives in the training and fitness industry.

Feb 18, 2024 • 1h 16min
Attack Aircraft: Human vs Machine with Maj Ridge Flick
On this week's episode we're diving into some unique human performance considerations for close air support pilots. Everything from cognitive performance to neck strength to how pilots go to the bathroom in single seat aircraft...
Major Ridge "KELSO" Flick is a military pilot with over 2000 cumulative flight hours in the T-6, T-38, and A-10C. He flew A-10 combat missions in support of Operation Inherent Resolve and Operation Freedom Sentinel in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. He is currently the A-10C Program Element Monitor (PEM) at Air Combat Command. In that role, Maj Flick monitors all A-10C modernization and sustainment programs by working with the A-10 squadrons, the System Program Office, the A-10 test team, Headquarters Air Force and other Major Command staffs to ensure the A-10 remains the greatest Close Air Support aircraft in the world.
He received a Bachelors of Science in Aeronautical Engineering from the United States Air Force Academy where he was near the top of his class academically and the captain of the lacrosse team.

Feb 11, 2024 • 1h 9min
Predicting Success at Ranger School with LTC Tim Benedict
LTC Timothy Benedict, an infantry officer and physical therapist, discusses the predictors of success at Ranger School, including resilience, mindset, fitness, and accountability. They also explore the correlation between rucking, running, and success, and the importance of pre-Ranger training programs. The study findings align with common beliefs but reveal some surprises. The research will stimulate further studies and generate interesting discussions. Future research directions include exploring the impact of mindset on rehabilitation in injured individuals.

Feb 4, 2024 • 1h 9min
MOPs & MOEs Book Club
On this episode we each brought five books that have shaped the way we think about human performance and discussed why they had such an impact. And in classic form, we each also brought a few honorable mentions as well.
Drew's books are a little more focused on strength and conditioning, while Alex's books (somewhat unexpectedly) are largely focused on mental health and how exercise affects our brains.
If you're looking for reading suggestions in the human performance space, you have come to the right place. This list spans a lot of different topics, so there's something for everyone.
If you want to get any of them, here is the full list:
Drew's Top 5
Practical Programming for Strength Training (Andy Baker/Mark Rippetoe)
The Science of Running (Steve Magness)
The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (Thomas Kuhn)
Training Talk (Martin Bingisser)
Endure (Alex Hutchinson)
Alex's Top 5
Spark: The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise and the Brain (John Ratey)
Man's Search for Meaning (Viktor Frankl)
How Minds Change (David Mcraney)
Saving Normal (Allen Frances)
Tribe (Sebastian Junger)
Honorable Mentions
Training for the New Alpinism (Scott Johnston/Steve House)
Starting Strength (Mark Rippetoe)
Strongest Shall Survive (Bill Starr)
80/20 Running (Matt Fitzgerald)
Winning (Clive Woodward)
Reactive Training Systems Manual (Mike Tuscherer)
John Kiely Papers: A New Understanding of Stress, Periodization Paradigms in the 21st Century, and Periodization Theory: Confronting an Inconvenient Truth
Michael Pollan books: This is Your Mind on Plants, In Defense of Food, and Omnivore’s Dilemma
Go Wild (John Ratey)
The Nature Fix (Florence Williams)
Why Zebra’s Don’t Get Ulcers (Robert Sapolsky)

Jan 28, 2024 • 1h 29min
Royal Army Physical Training Corps with WO2 Steve Turner
On this week's episode we're headed across the pond. WO2 Steve Turner is a Quartermaster Sergeant Instructor in the British Royal Army Physical Training Corps, and he's here to help us understand how the British Army approaches physical fitness.
If you're in the US military, it's worth noting up front that Warrant Officers in the British Army are not quite the same as ours. He's much more like what we would call a Sergeant Major.
The topics we covered include everything from how NCOs can take on full time roles as physical training instructors to how they've recently updated their testing to (as listeners have come to expect from us) a discussion of how their soldiers are fed.
Their new Role Fitness Test Soldier is quite similar to our ACFT, they have just started implementing something called EDGE, which parallels our H2F, and although we discuss plenty of differences between our approaches there are clearly some similar challenges and valuable lessons we can learn from their model.
This document provides descriptions of the various fitness tests British soldiers take at different points in their career, depending on their occupation.
You can find an excellent hype reel that will have you ready to go try out for the RAPTC here.
If you're ready to try out, here's an overview of the selection process for RAPTCIs.

Jan 21, 2024 • 1h 19min
State of Strength and Conditioning with Scott Caulfield
Scott Caulfield, a well-known collegiate strength and conditioning coach, discusses topics including coaching education, training program origins, balancing coaching experience with research, and the importance of staying involved in organizations like the NSCA. They also explore the impact of strength and conditioning programs on soldier performance readiness and ROTC program collaborations.

Jan 14, 2024 • 1h 13min
The Ozempic Episode with Dr. Karl Nadolsky
This is our heavily anticipated episode on the weight loss drugs that have been receiving a ton of media attention recently, including Ozempic and Wegovy (semaglutide), Mounjaro and Zepbound (tirzepatide), and others.
Since these drugs are intimately involved with our bodies' hormone regulation, we had to bring in an hormone expert to break it down for us. Dr. Karl Nadolsky is one of the best in this space, and is both a nationally recognize expert in obesity medicine, and a Navy veteran who worked extensively on these issues with active duty service members at Walter Reed.
Karl is a clinical endocrinologist and chief of the endocrinology, obesity & diabetes department for Holland Hospital in Holland, MI. He is an assistant clinical professor of medicine for Michigan State University College of Human Medicine. He holds board certification in Internal Medicine, Diabetes Endocrinology & Metabolism, and Obesity Medicine.
You may know him from the Docs Who Lift podcast which he co-hosts with his brother Spencer, who is also a doctor specializing in obesity medicine. Both of the brothers are accomplished athletes in addition to their medical credentials, giving them a unique perspective on the appropriate combinations of medical and lifestyle interventions.
You can listen to the Docs Who Lift podcast on Spotify here (or on your preferred listening app).
You can find Karl's article on obesity pharmacotherapy in active duty military populations here.
You can follow Karl on his Instagram for some excellent health and fitness content, and if you want to follow both of the Docs Who Lift, you can follow Spencer on his page as well.