
About Art
Heidi Zuckerman is a globally recognized voice in contemporary art and a passionate believer in how art can make life more better. On her podcast About Art, she has real, inspiring conversations with people she finds interesting—artists, collectors, creatives, and more—about their lives, their values, and why art matters. It’s about living artfully, seeing differently, and finding joy and connection through art—wherever you are on your art journey.
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Nov 3, 2020 • 1h 8min
41. Pete McBride
Pete McBride is a Native Coloradan who has spent two decades studying the world with a camera. A self-taught photographer, filmmaker, writer, and public speaker, he has traveled on assignment to over 75 countries for the National Geographic Society, Smithsonian, Google, The Nature
Conservancy, and others. After a decade documenting remote expeditions from Everest to Antarctica, McBride decided to focus his cameras closer to home on a subject closer to his heart—his backyard river, the Colorado. His latest project replaced rafting with walking—a lot of it. Over the course of a year, McBride hiked the entire length of Grand Canyon National Park — over 750 miles without a trail — to highlight development challenges facing this iconic landscape. After completing the journey, National Geographic named him and his hiking companion “Adventurers of the Year.”
He and Zuckerman discuss solitude, silence as the think tank of the soul, his decibel reading hobby, meditation as a way to control fear, a recent heart surgery, using photography to teach about health — our own and that of nature, achieving seemingly impossible things, the hooks of stories, the lessons in imperfection, and only doing things that make you nervous!
References:
Lao Tzu - “As long as you care what other people think you will always be their prisoner”
Smithsonian Mag article - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/photographs-last-quiet-places-180975765/
Gordon Hempton - https://www.soundtracker.com/about-gordon-hempton/
Oura Ring - https://ouraring.com
National Geographic - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/contributors/m/photographer-pete-mcbride/
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Oct 27, 2020 • 58min
40. Sean Green
Sean Green is the CEO and Founder of Arternal. Arternal helps art dealers better monetize their relationships. Born in Jamaica and raised in Toronto, Green has cultivated his entrepreneurialism since watching his mom run the family maid service. With a background in computer science, his previous start up connected homeowners to quality contractors.
He and Zuckerman discuss the business of art from the collector’s perspective, the Wayfair ruling, caring about art surviving and thriving, entrepreneurial passion, his mom as a mentor, being a black founder in the artworld, focusing on data, David Leggett and Ebecho Muslimova, Clubhouse, their shared love of warm water, and how is art like medicine for your mind!
References:
Arternal - https://www.arternal.com
The Social Dilemma - film
Steve Miller - co founder
David Leggett - https://davidleggettart.com/home.html
Various Small Fires - http://www.vsf.la
Shane Campbell Gallery - https://www.shanecampbellgallery.com
Ebecho Muslimova - http://magentaplains.com/artists/ebecho-muslimova
Incubator Program at The New Museum - https://www.newmuseum.org/pages/view/new-inc-1
Clubhouse - https://clubhouse.io
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Oct 20, 2020 • 1h 16min
39. Patrick Steel
Patrick Steel is the CEO of POLITICO, which strives to be the dominant source for politics and policy in power centers across every continent where access to reliable information, non-partisan journalism and real-time tools creates, informs, and engages a global citizenry. Previously Steel spent 16 years as an investment banker and before that served in the Clinton White House.
He and Zuckerman discuss seeing America through a political campaign, the importance of relationships in building careers, Hilary Clinton’s emails as art, being an extrovert, what transformational leadership looks like, go to questions, the profound impact of the technological revolution, taking strategic bets, compromise, and his predictions for the US Presidential election on November 3, 2020!
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References:
Kyle Richards - referenced IG live
Kenny Goldsmith “Hillary: The Hillary Clinton Emails” - https://www.neroeditions.com/product/hillary/
Venice Biennale - https://www.labiennale.org/en
Politico - https://www.politico.com/
Jerome Powell - https://www.federalreservehistory.org/people/jerome-h-powell
Playbook newsletter - https://www.politico.com/playbook
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Oct 13, 2020 • 1h 6min
38. Guerrilla Girls
The Guerrilla Girls is an anonymous group of feminist, female artists devoted to fighting sexism and racism within the art world. The group formed in New York City in 1985 with the mission of bringing gender and racial inequality into focus within the greater arts community. The group employs cultural jamming in the form of posters, books, billboards, and public appearances to expose discrimination and corruption. To remain anonymous, members don gorilla masks and use pseudonyms that refer to deceased female artists. Their identities are concealed because issues matter more than individual identities, they want the focus to be on the issues, not on their personalities or their own work.
Guerrilla Girls member Käthe Kollwitz and Zuckerman discuss facts, writing museum wall labels, the power of killer statistics, how Guerrilla Girls get added, changing people’s minds, being intersectional feminists, broadening museum collections, and how the further you get from New York the representation of women and artists of color in museums improves!
References:
Guerilla Girls: The Art of Behaving Badly - https://www.guerrillagirls.com/books
Kynaston McShine - https://ccs.bard.edu/people/2318-kynaston-mc-shine
Alma Thomas - https://americanart.si.edu/artist/alma-thomas-4778
Mary Cassat - https://www.marycassatt.org
Georgia O’keeffe - https://www.okeeffemuseum.org/about-georgia-okeeffe/
Meret Oppenheim - https://m.theartstory.org/artist/oppenheim-meret/
Helen Frankenthaler - https://www.frankenthalerfoundation.org/artworks/paintings
The Met - https://www.metmuseum.org/
Poster - https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/guerrilla-girls-do-women-have-to-be-naked-to-get-into-the-met-museum-p78793
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Oct 6, 2020 • 1h 5min
37. Paul Becker
Paul Becker is the Founder and CEO of Art Money. He is an art entrepreneur passionate about empowering people to engage with art through building a sustainable creative economy. Art Money is a global fin-tech helping buy and sell art through a win-win business model, partnering with over 1,000 galleries globally, in the US, Australia, and New Zealand.
He and Zuckerman talked about his business model, the current state of the art world, where there are opportunities, collecting art as an addiction, and how an experience with a work of art can change your life!
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Sep 29, 2020 • 1h 2min
36. Michelle Maccarone
Michelle Maccarone is the founder of eponymous gallery Maccarone. Shortly after 9/11 Maccarone opened in an unorthodox space in a remote neighborhood with no other galleries around. From the beginning, the gallery was an outlier in every way. It was artist-driven and grew out of conversations. It was more of a concept, or a laboratory for experimentation, that didn’t quite fit the traditional model of an art gallery. Recently the gallery's focus is beyond IRL exhibitions as a creative brand that not only manages artists and produces special projects, but also collaborates with venues and corporate partners to create experiences outside of the physical gallery space.
She and Zuckerman talked about art collecting as hoarding, the unlimited possibilities of working digitally, art as a world practice instead of a studio practice, the grand idea, the conceptual gesture of putting art on Ebay and Pornhub, upending artworld protocols, art in transition, fear of art, and freedom!
References:
Maccarone Gallery - http://maccarone.net/
Malcolm Gladwell podcast “Revisionist History” - http://revisionisthistory.com
Richard Tuttle - https://www.pacegallery.com/artists/richard-tuttle/
“Dislocations” MOMA - https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/350
David Hammons - https://www.moma.org/artists/2486
Ilya Kabakov - http://www.kabakov.net/
Louise Bourgeois - https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/louise-bourgeois-2351
Chris Burden - https://gagosian.com/artists/chris-burden/
Sophie Calle - https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/sophie-calle
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Sep 22, 2020 • 58min
35. Jennifer Guidi
Jennifer Guidi is an artist known for her radiant, mandala-like paintings that incorporate sand, oil, and acrylic paint. Her work is an exploration of color, light, and texture, finding symmetry in opposition. The result of Guidi's compositions is both contemporary and timeless.
She and Zuckerman talked about the attitude needed to make art, finding the perfect place, TikTok and home ec, meditation as a creative resource, how to empty everything out, the input and output of energy, mark making, and the courage and patience of finding your voice.
References:
Massimo de Carlo “Virtual Space” - https://www.massimodecarlo.com/gallery/10/vspace
The Jewish Museum - https://thejewishmuseum.org
Peter Doig - https://www.moma.org/artists/8087
Magdalena Frimkess - https://hammer.ucla.edu/made-in-la-2014/magdalena-suarez-frimkess-michael-frimkess
Dan McCarthy - https://www.antonkerngallery.com/artists/dan_mccarthy
Shio Kusaka - https://gagosian.com/artists/shio-kusaka/
David Hockney - https://www.hockney.com/home
Georgia O’keeffe - https://www.okeeffemuseum.org/about-georgia-okeeffe/
Alexander Tovborg - https://www.blumandpoe.com/artists/alexander_tovborg
Sayre Gomez - https://www.sayregomez.com
Yogic Path Oracle Cards - https://selenestone.com/products/a-yogic-path-oracle-deck
Gagosian Hong Kong - https://gagosian.com/locations/hong-kong/
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Sep 15, 2020 • 1h 2min
34. Rickey Gates
Rickey Gates has been described as a “conceptual runner” combining the practice of endurance running with the artistic mediums of photography and writing. After nearly a decade competing on a national and international mountain, trail and ultra running circuit, he took his love for ultra-endurance, storytelling and photography to his project-based runs that have included a run across America, every single street in San Francisco and currently the 50 classic trails of North America. His debut book Cross Country and feature-length film TransAmericana chronicle his 3,700 mile journey across the United States.
He and Zuckerman discuss forced meditation, the poetry of the untaken URL, running to find a clean and safe mental state, why there is never too much, and how it is a luxury to suffer!
References:
Tom Simpson - https://www.rapha.cc/us/en_US/stories/discovering-the-real-tom-simpson
Hunter Thompson - https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/rolling-stone-at-50-how-hunter-s-thompson-became-a-legend-115371/
Gretchen Bleiler - https://www.gretchenbleiler.com
Transamericana - http://www.rickeygates.com
Rich Roll - https://www.richroll.com
Every Single Street - https://www.everysinglestreet.com
Hamish Fulton - https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/hamish-fulton-1133
Helen Mirra - http://hmirra.net
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Sep 8, 2020 • 1h 4min
33. Katherine Metz
Katherine Metz is one of the most visible spokespersons of the art of Feng Shui in the United States, introducing Feng Shui into mainstream western culture with her lucid and practical conveyance of its sometimes esoteric philosophies. Her focus is the art and science of creating a healthy home and workplace. Metz created Feng Shui Storyboard, an interactive membership where she shares one compelling Feng Shui mystery every month. She explains the tools and techniques used to solve these mysteries; honed from her 30 years of experience as a floor plan detective and 25 years of mastering the teachings of H. H. Grandmaster Professor Lin Yun.
She and Zuckerman discuss being a rule breaker, which houses lead to divorce, the five types of people, how inspiration is knowing beyond logic, and the courage to ask the right question.
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Sep 1, 2020 • 57min
32. Kulapat Yantrasast
Kulapat Yantrasast is a thought-leader and practitioner in the fields of architecture, art, and design. Originially from Thailand and now based in Los Angeles, he is the founding partner and Creative Director of wHY, a multidisciplinary design practice organized into dedicated workshops: Buildings, Landscape, Museums, Objects, and Ideas. His museum projects include the Grand Rapids Art Museum, the expansion of the Speed Art Museum in Louisville, KT, gallery design and planning for Harvard Art Museums and the Art Institute of Chicago, and currently a major gallery renovation of the Rockefeller Wing of the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
He and Zuckerman discuss museums as a place where time stands still, the sexiness and honesty of parking structures, the ease and seduction of digital solutions, loving cities, redefining everything, and what “missing your own self” feels like!
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