

The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung
Wayne Hsiung
Who says you can't change the world? Meet the people who are. Wayne Hsiung, law professor-turned-grassroots animal rights activist and multi-state felony defendant, uncovers the people behind the political, the unexplored personal stories of social change. Intimate interviews with journalists, musicians, filmmakers, community leaders, and others. Change isn't easy. But it must start somewhere.
Blog: https://blog.simpleheart.org
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@waynehsiung_
Blog: https://blog.simpleheart.org
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@waynehsiung_
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Aug 1, 2025 • 59min
That "Crazy" Animal Rights Lawsuit is About to Change the World (with PETA's Jeff Kerr) (Ep.84)
Jeff Kerr, the Chief Legal Officer of PETA for nearly 30 years, leads groundbreaking legal battles for animal rights. He discusses shocking cases like the “Right to Listen” lawsuit involving macaques and challenges against the Maine Lobster Festival for cruelty. Kerr highlights a shift towards non-animal research methods and stresses the urgent need for accountability in how animals are treated. The conversation reveals a hopeful outlook for the future of animal law and reflects on the evolving societal attitudes towards animal welfare.

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Jul 24, 2025 • 1h 53min
The Case for Optimizing Everything with Joey Savoie (Ep.83)
Joey Savoie, co-founder of Ambitious Impact, brings his data-driven approach to optimizing life and career for maximum impact. He explores the benefits of structured problem-solving and shifting focus from financial gain to personal fulfillment. Joey discusses how meditation enhances self-awareness for altruism and critiques inefficiencies in the charity sector. He emphasizes redefining social status to inspire pro-social behavior and advocates for ethical decision-making in philanthropy, urging listeners to cultivate meaningful relationships for lasting well-being.

May 13, 2025 • 10min
Visiting a Climate Leader in Prison (Ep. 82)
The UK climate movement achieved a historic win. Roger Hallam doesn’t give a f—.Visit the blog to learn how to ask for Roger to be freed: https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/does-virtue-matter-more-than-impact-The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org!

Apr 29, 2025 • 1h 48min
This Might Get Me Canceled with George Martin / Carnism Debunked (Ep.81)
George Martin has some of the most controversial takes in animal rights, from George Floyd to Gaza. Should that get him canceled?Find more of George Martin at https://www.youtube.com/@CarnismDebunked/—The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org!—Chapters:Intro) 00:00-13:49 BLM and intersectionality in activist movementsChapter 2) 13:50-19:16 Systemic racism in policingChapter 3) 19:17-28:12 Police shootings of Justine Damond and Daniel ShaverChapter 4) 28:13-41:23 Derek Chauvin’s prison sentence & George Floyd’s cause of deathChapter 5) 41:24-57:36 Intersectional infighting in activist movements, cancel culture, & bad intentions and actions of some “activists”Chapter 6) 57:37-1:06:10 Left-wing and Right-wing principles, horseshoe theory, & extremists in different movementsChapter 7) 1:06:11-1:23:14 Why and how to talk or not talk about intersectionality in the animal rights movement & mob mentalityChapter 8) 1:23:15-1:34:31 Why George is not scared to speak about controversial topics & inclusion and exclusion in movements Chapter 9) 1:34:32-1:44:52 Is intersectionality good for the movement & effective messagingChapter 10) 1:44:53-1:47:14 Final thoughts- We the Free, Carnism Debunked YouTube & PodcastChapter 11) 1:47:15-1:47:32 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Adam Durand & Chloe Leffakis—Follow George Martin:Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/CarnismDebunked Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carnism_debunked/ XTwitter: https://x.com/CarnismDebunked Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CarnismDebunked Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/george.magicmartin Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/CarnismDebunked Podcast: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/carnismdebunked/ Website: https://www.carnismdebunked.com/

Apr 8, 2025 • 9min
The Greatest Turnaround in Animal Rights History (Ep.80)
The state tried to jail me for rescuing dogs. Now it’s helping us save them. But there’s so much more than 3000 dogs at stake.-The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org!-00:00 Intro01:10 How does scalable change work?04:26 Action-attention feedback loop06:17 Momentum08:12 The "Day 2" Question09:02 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Apr 4, 2025 • 11min
Free Palestine Failed. Here’s How They Could Have Won. (Ep.79)
You can’t create change by threatening to kill people. -The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org!-Chapters:Chapter 1) 00:00 IntroChapter 2) 01:50 The importance of nonviolenceChapter 3) 03:38 Winning over adversaries Chapter 4) 05:37 Pushing back against “Safetyism”Chapter 5) 07:58 Conclusion Chapter 6) 10:52 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Feb 5, 2025 • 13min
Trump Fired The One Woman Who Can Stop Elon (Ep.78)
Elon has one weakness: animal cruelty. And the one woman who could expose it has just been fired.
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https://rescue.eventbrite.com/?aff=spotify
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Chapter 1) 00:00 Intro, Elon’s mission
Chapter 2) 00:45 What programs were cut
Chapter 3) 02:09 Selling these cuts to the public
Chapter 4) 03:53 Elon’s interests in deregulation
Chapter 5) 04:37 Neuralink
Chapter 6) 06:44 Phyllis Fong
Chapter 7) 08:36 A simple message to explain Elon’s actions
Chapter 8) 10:10 Closing thoughts
Chapter 9) 12:24 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Jan 31, 2025 • 17min
Why Animal Liberation Will Happen In One Generation (Ep.77)
People say animal rights won’t be achieved for centuries or even millennia. Here’s why they’re wrong.
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Register for the event “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit” in March:
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Chapters:
Chapter 1) 00:00-2:49 Intro: Animal Liberation will happen in one generation, Peanut The Squirrel, & animal cruelty issues during the 2024 Presidential Election
Chapter 2) 2:50-5:38 Philosophical legitimacy of animal rights & the popular appeal of animal rights
Chapter 3) 5:39-7:24 Why there is not a political movement pushing animal rights: obstacle one - preference falsification
Chapter 4) 7:25-9:53 Why there is not a political movement pushing animal rights: obstacle two - lack of vision
Chapter 5) 9:54-16:43 How to reverse these two obstacles and find opportunities for change & let us know your thoughts on Animal Liberation in one generation
Chapter 6) 16:44-17:00 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis
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Jan 28, 2025 • 28min
What Vegans Can Learn From DeepSeek (Ep. 76)
A breakthrough Chinese AI shook the global economy. Vegans can do the same – if we learn from what made Deepseek great.
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Register for the event “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit” in March:
https://rescue.eventbrite.com/?aff=spotify
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Chapters:
Chapter 1) 00:00-4:47 Intro: on the successful and new AI DeepSeek, factory farms, & the Animal Rights movement
Chapter 2) 4:48-12:46 How DeepSeek and the Animal Rights movement can be alike: Transparency
Chapter 3) 12:47-19:56 How Deepseek and the Animal Rights movement can be alike: Diversity
Chapter 4) 19:57-26:18 How DeepSeek and the Animal Rights movement can be alike: Purpose
Chapter 5) 26:19-27:50 Final thoughts: summary &
Chapter 6) 27:51-28:08 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis
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Jan 24, 2025 • 36min
Am I Ruining Veganism? (Ep.75)
Getting arrested for the animals isn’t a problem for the movement. It’s an opportunity.
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The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org!
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Register for the event in March “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit”:
https://rescue.eventbrite.com/?aff=spotify
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Chapters:
Chapter 1) 00:00-5:59 Intro: veganism, animal rights, voluntary prosecution, & trials for social change in the past
Chapter 2) 6:00-7:59 Reason one: trials force society away from systemic inertia
Chapter 3) 8:00-9:15 Reason two: trials are not affected by regulatory capture (example money in politics)
Chapter 4) 9:16-19:42 Other social justice movements using voluntary prosecution & on women’s right activist Susan B. Anthony
Chapter 5) 19:43-25:33 On gay rights activist Dale Jennings
Chapter 6) 25:34-33:58 What do trials mean for animal rights and veganism, & how and when social change happens
Chapter 7) 33:59-35:43 Opportunities to participate in activism and the “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit” in March, link above
Chapter 8) 35:44-36:00 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis
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Links:
"Voluntary Prosecution and the Case of Animal Rescue" by Justin Marceau, Wayne Hsiung, and Steffen Seitz
https://harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-137/voluntary-prosecution-and-the-case-of-animal-rescue/
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