
Smart Friends
Casual conversations with founders, technologists, investors, and artists about building a brighter future, together. Welcome to our digital living room. With science, technology and entrepreneurship we can *continue* to create unfathomable leaps in quality of life. We show you how to find, apply, build, and invest in technologies to change your life and the world. When we have smart friends, we do smart things. When we do smart things, we save the world. No matter who, where, or when you are – now you have smart friends, too. Outside this podcast, I’m the author of The Almanack of Naval Ravikant and The Anthology of Balaji. Connect at ejorgenson.com Laugh and learn with people like Balaji Srinivasan, Naval Ravikant, Andrew Wilkinson, Austen Allred, David Senra, Josh Storrs Hall, Ashley Rindsberg, Zach Pettet, Bret Kugelmass, Omar ElNaggar, Grace Guo, Brett Kopf, Max Olson, Chris Williamson, Shane Mac, Tim Hwang, David Perell, Jason Hitchcock, Natalia Karayaneva, Sebastian Marshall, Taylor Pearson, Mitchell Baldridge and more.Join conversations with my partners in early-stage tech investing, Bo Fishback and Al Doan. Our Rolling Fun Episodes cover our investments and escapades as angel investors and startup helpers. We invest in startups creating the *next* industrial revolution. Learn more at rolling.fun“Surround yourself with people who remind you more of your future than of your past.”
Latest episodes

Jul 11, 2023 • 53min
#066 World-Changing Potential of Next-Gen Batteries with Eli Dourado and Ethan Loosbrock (Ouros Energy)
Links:Center for Growth and OpportunityWhere’s my Flying Car by J. Storrs HallEli on TwitterEli’s SubstackEthan on TwitterOuros EnergyEpisode #32 of Smart Friends: book recap of Where’s My Flying Car?Episode #34 of Smart Friends w/ J. Storrs HallEpisode #58 of Smart Friends w/ Brett KugelmassTimestamps:(00:04:09) Eli Dourado & Ethan Loosbrock’s backgrounds(00:05:53) Impact of Next-Gen Batteries on the future: Flying Cars, EVTOL Jets, Electric Vehicles, AR Contact Lenses, Off-Grid Power, and more.(00:10:51) Lithium-Ion Battery’s role in sustainable energy(00:11:52) Higher Energy density is the key metric for battery quality(00:27:18) Why Ethan Loosbrock devoted his life to battery technology(00:30:55) How Ethan Loosbrock and Eli Dourado met and worked together (00:33:32) What needs to happen to change the world through batteries(00:43:02) Starting Ouros Energy, the Standard Oil of BatteriesTo support the costs of producing this podcast:>> Buy a copy of the Navalmanak: www.navalmanack.com/>> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage>> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun>> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter>> Text the podcast to a friend>> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners!

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Jun 27, 2023 • 2h 17min
#065 David Senra + Mitchell Baldridge #3: Recap Capital Camp, Lunch with Sam Zell
Links:David on TwitterMitchell on TwitterFounders PodcastStuff mentioned:Jocko Go DrinkCapital CampPeople mentioned:Jeremy Giffon on TwitterBrent Beshore on TwitterClayton Dorge - CEO of Capital CampBooks mentioned:Setting the Table by Danny MeyerBecoming Trader Joe by Joe CoulombeIn-N-Out Burger: A Behind-the-Counter Look at the Fast Food Chain That Breaks All the Rules by Stacy PermanSam Walton: Made in AmericaThe Power Broker: Robert Moses and the Fall of New York by Robert CaroThe Creative Act by Rick RubinCreative Selection: Inside Apple’s Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs by Ken KociendaPodcasts mentioned:Jocko PodcastModern Wisdom w/ Chris WilliamsonFounders episode 305 - Robert CaroInvest like the Best w/ Sam Hinkie Smart Friends - Kevin EspirituInvest like the Best with Peter CherninAcquired - Louis VuittonAudience of one with Jeremy GiffonInfinite Loops: Billy OppenheimerTimestamps(00:04:09) David & Jocko Go: a Love Story(00:15:49) Recapping Capital Camp(00:40:35) The power of audio & writing, Sam Hinkie, Podcast recommendations(00:50:37) Finding conviction in your career pursuits(00:56:58) The opportunity for niche businesses(01:06:29) Power Leaking & the HoldCo phenomenon(01:21:47) Favorite moments from Capital Camp(02:00:49) The power of taste(02:09:23) The Climb and the SummitTo support the costs of producing this podcast: >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanak: www.navalmanack.com/ >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun>> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter>> Text the podcast to a friend>> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners!

Jun 13, 2023 • 1h 10min
#064 The Synthesis of Media and Ecommerce with Kevin Espiritu of Epic Gardening
LinksEpic GardeningKevin Espiritu on YouTubeCreator Capitalists post from EricKevin’s first appearance on Smart FriendsScribemedia.com/consultTimestamps(00:04:23) Kevin’s career leading to content(00:14:00) What did raising capital unlock for you?(00:20:36) Attaching a dollar value to your niche(00:27:08) What is your high-leverage work today?(00:28:24) What do you see for Epic Gardening over the next 10 years?(00:29:43) What other places can this playbook work?(00:37:29) Being *good* on every platform(00:39:00) Not thinking about “Marketing”(00:40:41) Is it easier to start with media and attach commerce after?(00:46:52) The importance of authenticity(00:53:55) Q&A(01:03:00) Wrap upTo support the costs of producing this podcast: >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanak: www.navalmanack.com/ >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun>> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter>> Text the podcast to a friend>> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners!

Apr 25, 2023 • 1h 15min
#063 Turning Discoveries Into Companies with Sam Arbesman of Lux Capital
Topics:(00:04:26) - Who are your influences?(00:08:57) - When Facts Expire: The Half-life of Knowledge(00:22:57) - The Playbook behind Boston Dynamics and DeepMind (00:28:36) - Research Orgs other than Academia, Govt, and Industry(00:31:00) - DARPA and Speculative Technologies(00:39:08) - Ink & Switch(00:41:13) - Challenges of University Tech Transfer Offices(00:47:42) - Transforming the future of Education (00:52:20) - Using AI tools in day-to-day life(00:55:40) - Sam’s job at Lux Capital(00:58:07) - Overperforming and Underperforming Technologies(01:02:33) - What mental models do you use most frequently?(01:03:45) - How to corner the market on a high-tech skillset(01:05:40) - Industries you’re watching that no one else is paying attention to? (01:07:41) - Sci-Fi book recommendationsLinks for more on Sam:Sam on Tedx: The Half-Life of FactsSam’s booksSam’s WebsiteCompanies Mentioned:Boston DynamicsDeepMindDARPASpeculative TechnologiesThe Foresight InstituteBooks Mentioned:Why Greatness Cannot be Planned by Ken StanleyThe Three-Body Problem Trilogy by Cixin LiuNeal Stephenson BooksCulture series by Iain BanksBabel by R. F KuangFoundation by Isaac AsimovDon Swanson - Undiscovered Public KnowledgeTo support the costs of producing this podcast: >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanak: www.navalmanack.com/ >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun>> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter>> Text the podcast to a friend>> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners!

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Apr 11, 2023 • 2h
#062 Meeting Charlie Munger and Starting RE Costseg with David Senra and Mitchell Baldridge
Links:David on TwitterMitchell on TwitterFounders PodcastInvest like the bestHow to Take Over the WorldHard Drive: Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft EmpireJoe Lonsdale - Lessons from Peter ThielTopics:(5:51) - David’s dinner with Charlie Munger(29:33) - The power of Podcasting, Chris Powers, and innovation(36:21) - How to make a successful Podcast(47:42) - The Scarcity of GREAT ideas(55:30) - Self-funding businesses and the philosophy behind Venture Capital(1:14:27) - Mitchell’s new business(1:55:53) - Travel plans, meet-ups and live events!To support the costs of producing this podcast: >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanak: www.navalmanack.com/ >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun>> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter>> Text the podcast to a friend>> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners!

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Apr 4, 2023 • 1h 47min
#061 How CEOs Build with AI - Sean Devine of XBE
Links:XBESean on Twitter & LinkedInChatGPTChatGPT-4BarelyKnown.comOpenAICoPilotBen’s Bites newsletterBaeKayla.comSupport our Sponsor:Bread: https://www.madebybread.com/Topics:(5:04) - Setting the stage: Sean’s company & programming background(20:38) - Part 1: Individual Contributor AI Applications: ChatGPT 4(44:23) - Part 2: Product Improvement AI Applications(1:11:40) - Part 3: Organizational expectations post-implementation(1:21:26) - What resources would you recommend for people to learn more about AI tools?(1:22:55) - How do you view the landscape of your company given the advancement of AI?(1:26:50) - Will this cause margins to increase?(1:30:21) - How do you feel about the potential risks of AI?(1:36:14) - How helpful was your technical background in implementing AI?(1:39:24) - Where can people find you online?(1:40:07) - IF YOU ARE AN ELIGIBLE BACHELOR SEEKING A SMART & ENERGETIC WOMAN, LISTEN TO THIS SECTIONTo support the costs of producing this podcast: >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanak: www.navalmanack.com/ >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun>> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter>> Text the podcast to a friend>> Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners!

Mar 28, 2023 • 1h 30min
#060 Making Data Honest (and Valuable) with Omar ElNaggar (Weavechain) and Zach Pettet (Money20/20)
Topics:(4:21) - Introducing Omar & Zach (nerds)(5:30) - Why will Web3 data take 100% of the market?(7:22) - What are data flows?(14:40) - Does the whole world need to be on Web3 to execute your vision?(18:02) - Is there a gamification to this whole approach?(25:05) - Are you seeing finance being the first industry to adopt Web3 Data flows?(34:29) - CryptoPoops.com (Finest shit on the internet)(36:02) - Being able to verify truth at any point(44:59) - The history of HTTPS(47:41) - The SVB crisis, wire transfers & chainalysis(50:09) - Can we implement something like Weavechain without replacing the skeleton of the current financial system?(1:01:15) - Distribution in Web3/Crypto & how Weavechain works in pharma and insurance(1:14:49) - Decentralized Science(1:17:35) - What is the 50-year vision for Weavechain?(1:25:42) - Who are the best people for you to talk to regarding Weavechain?Support our Sponsor:madebybread.comLinks:WeavechainOmar on Twitter & LinkedInZach on Twitter & LinkedInFor Fintechsake PodcastMoney20/20 To support the costs of producing this podcast: >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanack: www.navalmanack.com/ >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun>> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter>> Text the podcast to a friend>> Give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners

Mar 14, 2023 • 1h 7min
#059 Rolling Fun #5: Investing in Nuclear, Ecommerce Data, and AI Productivity
Helpful Links:The Rolling Fun(d)Al on TwitterBo on LinkedInMatt Loszak on TwitterMidjourneyChatGPTPortfolio companies Mentioned:FasterBetterSolve.ioSponsors:Athena: Get a free first month (Worth $3k!) when you sign up with my code: athenago.me/eric-jorgensonListen and Learn more about Athena here: Creative EA Delegation with Athena on the PodcastTopics:(3:49) - Life Updates: Buying a cow, Sous Vide Bacon, and Eric’s book(13:44) - Faster Better & Athena(24:03) - Aalo Atomics (our first Nuclear company!!)(33:25) - Solve Data, The Brain for Ecommerce Cos(41:10) - Current fundraising environment & Artificial Intelligence(52:02) - Portfolio Updates (1:01:02) - Growth of the fundTo support the costs of producing this podcast: >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanack: www.navalmanack.com/ >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun>> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter>> Text the podcast to a friend>> Give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners

Feb 28, 2023 • 60min
#058 Scaling Nuclear Energy, Saving The World – Bret Kugelmass of Last Energy
Links:Bret Kugelmass on LinkedInLast EnergyTitans of Nuclear PodcastEnergy Impact PodcastMarc Andreesen regulatory capture podcast episodeThe Energy Impact CenterDecouple PodcastInvest your money alongside ours in high-tech, high-growth startups: Rolling.fun Rolling Fun Podcast episodes:Rolling Fun Ep. 1Rolling Fun Ep. 2Rolling Fun Ep. 3Rolling Fun Ep. 4Sponsors:Athena: Get a free first month (Worth $3k!) when you sign up with my code: athenago.me/eric-jorgensonListen and Learn more about Athena here: Creative EA Delegation with Athena on the PodcastTopics:(5:42) - “The more nuclear meltdowns, the better!”(11:06) - Working with regulators on nuclear fission(12:10) - Making regulation capability a competitive advantage in nuclear(16:09) - Bret’s previous startup (drones)(22:14) - Starting The Titans of Nuclear Podcast(24:41) - The process of learning a new industry(26:27) - Factions inside the nuclear industry?(27:52) - Nuclear evangelist Dr. Chris Keefer(29:46) - How did you form Last Energy’s strategy?(37:26) - Avoiding supply chain risks in nuclear(42:59) - Perceptions vs realities of nuclear waste, and Cognitive Biases(44:29) - Public Opinion is more and more pro-nuclear(49:16) - How do you see the next 50 years playing out for the Energy sector?(51:42) - Renewables are fine, Nuclear is magic(54:14) - The beauty of Nuclear(55:37) - Hiring people without a background in nuclear industryTo support the costs of producing this podcast: >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanack: www.navalmanack.com/ >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun>> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter>> Text the podcast to a friend>> Give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners

Feb 14, 2023 • 1h 28min
#057 Startup To Scale, What CEOs Learn - Austen Allred (Bloomtech) and Al Doan (Missouri Star Quilt Co)
Links:Austen on TwitterAl on TwitterBloomtech (Formerly Lambda School)Becoming Trader Joe by Joe CoulombeRolling.funRolling Fun Podcast episodes:Rolling Fun Ep. 1Rolling Fun Ep. 2Rolling Fun Ep. 3Rolling Fun Ep. 4Creative EA Delegation with Athena on the PodcastSponsors:Athenago.comMadeByBread.comTopics:(6:29) - Warming up & Austen escaping San Francisco(13:35) - Catching up on Bloomtech’s growth(24:34) - Hiring horror stories and strategies(37:02) - A lot of advice is bullshit(50:10) - How to deal with hypergrowth(1:00:05) - Will VR be a real thing?(1:05:43) - AI’s early investment in Bloomtech(1:13:32) - Bottlenecks for future growth(1:18:09) - Work/Life… balance?To support the costs of producing this podcast: >> Buy a copy of the Navalmanack: www.navalmanack.com/ >> Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage >> Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun>> Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter>> Text the podcast to a friend>> Give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners
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