
Caveat
Join us for thought provoking conversations on surveillance, digital privacy, and cybersecurity law and policy in the information age. Each week, hosts Dave Bittner and Ben Yelin break down the headlines, legal cases, and policy battles that matter most.
Latest episodes

Dec 7, 2023 • 47min
North Korea's evolving cyber program.
Michael Barnhart from Mandiant sits down to talk about the evolution of North Korea's cyber program. Ben's story discusses a preliminary injunction against a Montana law banning TikTok. Dave's got the story of a college student frustrated with his lack of privacy on campus.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Federal judge blocks Montana's TikTok ban before it takes effect
He Wanted Privacy. His College Gave Him None
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Nov 30, 2023 • 46min
Critical challenges for critical infrastructure.
Nick Sanna of the FAIR Institute and Safe Security joins to discuss the challenges the White House faces in attempting to harmonize critical infrastructure regulations. Ben has the story of a warrantless phone records surveillance program that is tracking over a trillion U.S. phone records annually. Dave explains how reporters from Rolling Stone tracked visitors to Donald Trump’s Mar-a-lago.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
We Spied on Trump’s ‘Southern White House’ From Our Couches
Secretive White House Surveillance Program Gives Cops Access to Trillions of US Phone Records
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Nov 23, 2023 • 46min
Encore: Inside the largest data breaches in world history.
Andrew Hollister of LogRhythm joins Dave to discuss the Shanghai National Police data exposure incident, and how whether or not we will know the full details of one of the largest data breaches in world history. Ben's story discusses a groundbreaking Wisconsin court case relating to files stored in Dropbox, while Dave revisits the legality of AI generated code as a copyrights storm may be brewing.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney.
Ownership of AI-Generated Code Hotly Disputed A copyright storm may be brewing for GitHub Copilot
Dropbox search was illegal
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Nov 16, 2023 • 48min
Bolstering economic security.
This week, we are joined by Kathleen Hyde from Champlain College Online to discuss NCWES and its potential to scale up the cyber workforce and bolster economic security. Ben has an update on the reauthorization of Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act. Dave's got the story of a Virginia game warden confiscating a trail camera without a warrant.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Lawmakers unveil first bill to renew controversial surveillance program
Cops Sneak Onto Man’s Property, Confiscate Surveillance Camera Without a Warrant
Caveat BriefingA companion weekly newsletter is available CyberWire Pro members on the CyberWire's website. If you are a member, make sure you subscribe to receive our weekly wrap-up of privacy, policy, and research news, focused on incidents, techniques, tips, compliance, rights, trends, threats, policy, and influence ops delivered to you inbox each Thursday.Got a question you'd like us to answer on our show? You can send your audio file to caveat@thecyberwire.com. Hope to hear from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 9, 2023 • 44min
Transforming the cyber risk environment.
Scott Stransky from the Marsh McLennan Cyber Risk Analytics Center joins to discuss recent developments in ransomware, cybersecurity investment, cyber risk analysis, and how artificial intelligence will transform the cyber risk environment, particularly in the insurance industry. Ben's story discusses the new antitrust lawsuit against Google. Dave's got the story of California putting limits on license plate data.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Another Google Antitrust Battle Reaches Court in Epic Games Case
VICTORY! California Department of Justice Declares Out-of-State Sharing of License Plate Data Unlawful
Caveat BriefingA companion weekly newsletter is available CyberWire Pro members on the CyberWire's website. If you are a member, make sure you subscribe to receive our weekly wrap-up of privacy, policy, and research news, focused on incidents, techniques, tips, compliance, rights, trends, threats, policy, and influence ops delivered to you inbox each Thursday.Got a question you'd like us to answer on our show? You can send your audio file to caveat@thecyberwire.com. Hope to hear from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 2, 2023 • 43min
AI all around.
David Brumley, a cybersecurity professor at Carnegie Mellon and CEO of software security firm, ForAllSecure, sits down to talk about the AI Executive Order that was recently signed. Ben's story reviews the outlines of a new Executive Order on AI. Dave's got one organization's attempts to look at data provenance in AI.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Biden signs AI executive order, the most expansive regulatory attempt yet
AI researchers uncover ethical, legal risks to using popular data sets
Caveat BriefingA companion weekly newsletter is available CyberWire Pro members on the CyberWire's website. If you are a member, make sure you subscribe to receive our weekly wrap-up of privacy, policy, and research news, focused on incidents, techniques, tips, compliance, rights, trends, threats, policy, and influence ops delivered to you inbox each Thursday.Got a question you'd like us to answer on our show? You can send your audio file to caveat@thecyberwire.com. Hope to hear from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 26, 2023 • 48min
Privacy landscapes for children.
Cobun Zweifel-Keegan from International Association of Privacy Professionals (IAPP) sits down to talk about the children’s privacy landscape in the US and beyond. Ben's story discusses whether AI giants may soon have to worry about defamation lawsuits. Dave's got the story on FCC’s renewed interest in net neutrality.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Will ChatGPT’s hallucinations be allowed to ruin your life?
FCC moves ahead with Title II net neutrality rules in 3-2 party-line vote
Caveat BriefingA companion weekly newsletter is available CyberWire Pro members on the CyberWire's website. If you are a member, make sure you subscribe to receive our weekly wrap-up of privacy, policy, and research news, focused on incidents, techniques, tips, compliance, rights, trends, threats, policy, and influence ops delivered to you inbox each Thursday.Got a question you'd like us to answer on our show? You can send your audio file to caveat@thecyberwire.com. Hope to hear from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 19, 2023 • 50min
Getting on track with DNS.
This week, we have Robert Carolina, General Counsel from Internet Systems Consortium joining Dave and Ben to discuss Quad9 DNS filter court case. Ben and Dave discuss an article from the International Red Cross looking at 8 rules for “civilian hackers” during war, and 4 obligations for states to restrain them.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:8 rules for “civilian hackers” during war, and 4 obligations for states to restrain themGot a question you'd like us to answer on our show? You can send your audio file to caveat@thecyberwire.com. Hope to hear from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 12, 2023 • 52min
Issues in cybersecurity policy.
This week, Dave and Ben both sit down with Caleb Barlow, founder and CEO of Cylete, to ponder some challenging global policy issues together. Ben has the story of Amazon Alexa devices spreading election misinformation, specifically on the 2020 election. Dave's story is on the legal pushback against warrantless searching of peoples electronic devices at the US border.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Amazon’s Alexa has been claiming the 2020 election was stolen
Knight Institute and Reporters Committee File Amicus Brief in Case Challenging Electronic Device Searches at the Border
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Oct 5, 2023 • 55min
Encore: The relationship between organizations and their data.
Stephen Cavey, co-founder and chief evangelist from GroundLabs sits down with Dave to discuss the relationship between organizations and their data. Ben has the story of lawyers being denied entry to Madison Square Garden as the result of facial recognition software. Dave's got the story of some law professors worried about the new app sweeping the nation, ChatGPT.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney.
Lawyers Barred by Madison Square Garden Found a Way Back In
Some law professors fear ChatGPT's rise as others see opportunity
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