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Nov 11, 2021 • 25min
Let's go to the movies. [Hacking Humans Goes to the Movies]
Welcome to a fun new project by the team who brings you Hacking Humans, the CyberWire's social engineering podcast. Co-hosts Dave Bittner and Joe Carrigan are joined by Rick Howard in this series. They view clips from their favorite movies with examples of the social engineering scams and schemes you hear about on Hacking Humans. In this first episode, Dave, Joe and Rick are watching Dave's and Joe's picks. They watch each of the selected scenes, describe the on-screen action for you, and then the team deconstructs what they saw. Grab your popcorn and join us for a trip to the movies.Links to movie clips if you'd like to watch along:
Dave's pick from "The Grifters"
Joe's clip from "Matchstick Men"
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Nov 4, 2021 • 47min
Regulators are looking for easy solutions, but there are none.
Guest Boris Segalis, Partner in Data, Privacy and Cybersecurity at Goodwin, discusses possible SEC proposals that would require companies to have standardized cybersecurity systems and to monitor their digital risks, Ben has the story of the Supreme Court declining to take up a case on FISA transparency, Dave shares BBC coverage of a location data vendor data breach.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Supreme Court won’t hear case seeking more transparency from secretive surveillance court
Location data collection firm admits privacy breach
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Oct 28, 2021 • 44min
There's some data: use it or keep it safe?
It's our 100th episode! Guest Jon von Tetzchner of Vivaldi talks with Ben Yelin about his concerns with online surveillance and highly personalized targeting of users on the internet, Ben has the story of how the FBI gathers mobile device data, Dave looks at a recent case of biometrics being included in a search warrant. Did we mention it's our 100th episode?While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Here's the FBI's Internal Guide for Getting Data from AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon
FBI Given Power To Unlock Capitol Riot Suspect Phone With His Fingerprint
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Oct 21, 2021 • 54min
The Merman Borgnine Conjecture aka cybersecurity ethics.
Guest Robert Carolina, a lawyer living in the UK, talks with Dave about ethics in cybersecurity, Ben shares the story of the Missouri Governor threatening legal action against a reporter who found a flaw in the State’s website, and Dave's got the story of a facial recognition conference in Washington DC.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Missouri governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found flaw in state website
I attended a top surveillance conference in Washington, a bizarre experience in which industry insiders lamented being under attack
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Oct 14, 2021 • 43min
Government agencies have different obligations on keeping data.
Guest Paul Robichaux of Quest Software joins Dave to talk about how government agencies can better protect citizen data, Ben has a story about the European Union considering a mandate for common chargers for all phones, and Dave's got the story an Uber driver in the UK getting locked out of his account because of facial recognition software.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
In a setback for Apple, the European Union seeks a common charger for all phones.
Ex-Uber driver takes legal action over ‘racist’ face-recognition software
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Oct 7, 2021 • 42min
Protecting local officials from doxxing and threats.
Guest Rob Shavell of DeleteMe talks with Dave Bittner about "how to protect local officials from doxxing and threats" amidst rising tensions over back-to-school policies, Ben's got the latest in FTC's antitrust case against Facebook, and Dave's story is about the Supreme Court considering disclosure of FISA court rulings.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Facebook again asks judge to dismiss FTC antitrust complaint, arguing it lacks ‘valid factual basis’
At the Supreme Court, a Plea to Reveal Secret Surveillance Rulings
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Sep 30, 2021 • 45min
Let's talk about Facebook's research.
Our guest is author and journalist Steven Levy. He’s editor-at-large at Wired and his most recent book is "Facebook: The Inside Story. Steven offers his insights on Facebook’s internal research teams, Ben shares a newly-decided court case on whether Big Tech companies can be sued under the Anti-Terrorism statute, and Dave's got the story of some warrantless surveillance being declared unconstitutional in Colorado. While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Federal appeals court clears social media companies in Pulse shooting lawsuit
Colorado Supreme Court Rules Three Months of Warrantless Video Surveillance Violates the Constitution
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Sep 23, 2021 • 42min
Internet communications are the latest wiretapping class action trend.
Guest Paul Karlsgodt from Baker Hostetler joins Dave to discuss the latest class action trend – wiretapping claims for use of standard online tracking software, Ben shares the story of some of the big online players bowing to pressure from Russian authorities. and Dave's got the story of the Supreme Court hearing a case on state secrets and FBI surveillance.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Google and Apple, Under Pressure From Russia, Remove Voting App
Supreme Court to Hear State Secrets Case on FBI Surveillance
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Sep 16, 2021 • 41min
Pay the ransom anyway regardless of payment ban?
Guest Mark Lance from GuidePoint Security talks with Dave about the FBI's recent advice not to ban ransom payments, some listener follow-up from Kevin who asks for ways a company or small business could keep their security gaps out of courts, Ben shares the story of a judge allowing a lawsuit against Apple alleging privacy violation in its use of Siri, Dave's got the details on trade groups lobbying for streamlined breach reporting standards.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
U.S. judge rules Google must face much of lawsuit over Voice Assistant
Industry Groups Urge Lawmakers to Streamline Cyber Breach Reporting Rules
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Sep 9, 2021 • 44min
Threading the needle on consumer privacy laws.
Guest Aaron Tantleff of Foley & Lardner’s Privacy, Security & Information Management Practice talks with Dave about how the Colorado privacy law differs from CCPA and how companies need to prepare, Ben has an update on Apple’s CSAM scanning plans, and Dave's got the details on Apple’s plans to integrate your official state ID into Apple Wallet.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Apple delays the rollout of child-safety features over privacy concerns.
Initial Details on Using Driver’s Licenses and State ID’s in Apple Wallet
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