
Caveat
Join us for thought provoking conversations on surveillance, digital privacy, and cybersecurity law and policy in the information age. Each week, hosts Dave Bittner and Ben Yelin break down the headlines, legal cases, and policy battles that matter most.
Latest episodes

Mar 17, 2022 • 42min
The reluctance to use offensive cyber tools.
Guest Liz Wharton from Scythe joins Ben to discuss the evolving privacy regulatory environment, Ben talks about the reluctance on the part of the United States and Russia to use offensive cyber tools, Dave's story is on the FTC and how they are requiring organizations to delete troublesome algorithms.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
‘Not the time to go poking around’: How former U.S. hackers view dealing with Russia
The FTC’s new enforcement weapon spells death for algorithms
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Mar 10, 2022 • 39min
The call for robust security in the broadband rollout.
Guest Lauren Van Wazer, Akamai's Vice President for Global Public Policy, joins Dave Bittner to discuss their call for robust security in broadband rollout, Ben discusses two recent Supreme Court decisions on the state secrets privilege. Dave has the story of the US senate passing cyber breach notification legislation.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
C.I.A. Black Sites Are State Secrets, the Supreme Court Rules
Supreme Court Sides With F.B.I. in Case on Spying on Muslims
The Senate is finally passing big cyber bills
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Mar 3, 2022 • 52min
Location data is the foundation of our modern economy.
Guest Jason Sarfati, Chief Privacy Officer and VP of Legal at Gravy Analytics, joins Dave to take a deep dive on what location data is and the approaches that different levels of stakeholders are taking with it, Ben talks about the moment of reckoning for big tech companies during the conflict in Ukraine, and Dave digs deeper into the executive order that enables our government’s intelligence activities.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Tech Firm Offers Cops Facial Recognition to ID Homeless People
Librarian's lament: Digital books are not fireproof
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Feb 24, 2022 • 45min
The False Claims Act (FCA) as it relates to cybersecurity.
Guests Mike Theis and Stacy Hadeka from Hogan Lovells join Dave to discuss the False Claims Act (FCA) and how it relates to cybersecurity, Ben has the story of a tech firm offering facial recognition technology to city governments to help them ID homeless people, and Dave shares the struggles of digital libraries in a world of stringent copyright laws.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Tech Firm Offers Cops Facial Recognition to ID Homeless People
Librarian's lament: Digital books are not fireproof
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Feb 17, 2022 • 40min
Balancing port security and protecting the supply chain.
Guest Ron Brash from aDolus joins Dave to discuss software attack vectors faced by the shipping community, Ben has the story of two U.S. Senators issuing a new warning about CIA surveillance. Dave's got the story of proposed legislation that puts guard rails on social media algorithms.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Dem duo's warning of CIA 'warrantless backdoor searches' revives domestic spying debate
New algorithm bill could force Facebook to change how the news feed works
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Feb 10, 2022 • 43min
Developer challenges in privacy preserving.
Guest Patricia Thaine, CEO of Private AI, joins Dave to discuss protecting consumer privacy in developer applications, Ben has the story of the IRS backing off on their plans requiring taxpayers' facial scans for ID, and Dave's story is about the national security implications of the open data market.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
IRS abandons facial recognition plan after firestorm of criticism
The Open Data Market and Risks to National Security
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Feb 3, 2022 • 55min
The shift toward corporate governance.
Guest Dr. Rois Ni Thuama, Head of Cyber Governance for Red Sift, stops by to talk with Dave about the changing landscape when it comes to governance and how organizations are approaching cyber, Ben discusses the latest on the Pegasus spyware story, Dave ponders the underlying policy issues in the recent controversy at Spotify.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
F.B.I. Secretly Bought Israeli Spyware and Explored Hacking U.S. Phones
Spotify’s Joe Rogan Problem Isn’t Going Away
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Jan 27, 2022 • 42min
How the "Wild West" of open source could be in trouble.
Guest Susan St. Clair of WhiteSource discusses increased regulation in the open source community with Dave. Ben looks at a lawsuit against Google targeting location data. and Dave talks about rising cyber insurance costs and the influence they have on best practices. While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Four Attorneys General Claim Google Secretly Tracked People
District 87's cybersecurity insurance cost to jump 334%
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Jan 20, 2022 • 44min
Compliance regulation in the payment security world.
Guest Ruston Miles of Bluefin joins Dave to discuss compliance regulation as it relates to the payment security space, Dave and Been share some follow up from listener Casey on making Constitutional amendments easier and Rule 407 of the Federal Rules of Evidence as it applies to cyber incidents, Ben looks at the recent Russian takedown of alleged REvil masterminds, and Dave looks at warrantless requests for WhatsApp metadata.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Russia Says It Arrested Members of Notorious ‘REvil’ Ransomware Gang
WhatsApp Ordered To Help U.S. Agents Spy On Chinese Phones—No Explanation Required
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Jan 13, 2022 • 46min
Will privacy and security reach equilibrium?
Guest Chris Hart, partner and co-chair of Foley Hoag's Privacy & Data Security Practice, joins Dave to discuss ransomware and cyber insurance, Ben talks about the role that attorneys play in the aftermath of cybersecurity incidents, and Dvae shares calls to amend the constitution.While this show covers legal topics, and Ben is a lawyer, the views expressed do not constitute legal advice. For official legal advice on any of the topics we cover, please contact your attorney. Links to stories:
Do the Legal Rules Governing the Confidentiality of Cyber Incident Response Undermine Cybersecurity?
UPGRADE OUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY
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